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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sun Oct 26 09:26:04 2014, in response to Re: How To Get Into Ozone Park LIRR Station, posted by Nilet on Sat Oct 25 17:00:49 2014. No, he got it dead right. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sun Oct 26 09:26:05 2014, in response to Re: How To Get Into Ozone Park LIRR Station, posted by Nilet on Sat Oct 25 17:00:49 2014. No, he got it dead right. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sun Oct 26 09:27:50 2014, in response to Re: How To Get Into Ozone Park LIRR Station, posted by Nilet on Sat Oct 25 17:00:50 2014. At everyone???? Lol....no just you. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sun Oct 26 09:28:37 2014, in response to Re: How To Get Into Ozone Park LIRR Station, posted by Nilet on Sat Oct 25 17:00:53 2014. I understand perfectly. I just refuse to play your crap game. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sun Oct 26 09:28:54 2014, in response to Re: How To Get Into Ozone Park LIRR Station, posted by Nilet on Sat Oct 25 17:00:43 2014. Lol!!! |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Sun Oct 26 14:24:43 2014, in response to Re: What year were wooden cars finally banned from subway tunnels?, posted by Express Rider on Sun Oct 26 03:21:54 2014. If you have Cunningham/Dehart's book, RAPID TRANSIT in BROOKLYN, re-read page 42. It deals with the testing of "C" cars 1500 ABC and 1501ABC. These first 2 sets were the prototypes built in the Coney Island shops and tested in January and Febuary of 1923. Some of the testing was done on the B'way-Bklyn el. After that, they were sent back to CI for evaluation. As a result, several changes were made to the rest of the "C" fleet, including wider doors and brakewheel relocation.Now, go to page 53. It describes a crash between a 6 car Canarsie express of steel Standards and a B'way-Brklyn gate train. This happened on Essex St on January 8th, 1926. Note the date, please! on the bottom of page 53, it further describes how the gate cars were removed from service in the summer of 1927. The arrival of the Triplexes freed up more Standards for Eastern Division service. There is a photo of gate cars laid up on the Broadway Ferry spur on page 233 of Brian Merlis's book, BROOKLYN- the Way It Was. I wish someone would re-post the photo of the "C" car pulling into what was a Broadway-Brooklyn elevated station. That had to be the 1923 winter testing of the "C" prototypes. Hope that answers your questions! |
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Posted by Nilet on Sun Oct 26 14:58:22 2014, in response to Re: How To Get Into Ozone Park LIRR Station, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sun Oct 26 09:26:04 2014. You're the one who started launching pointless attacks. |
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Posted by Nilet on Sun Oct 26 14:58:23 2014, in response to Re: How To Get Into Ozone Park LIRR Station, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sun Oct 26 09:27:50 2014. That you're doing it at all reflects very badly on you. |
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Posted by Nilet on Sun Oct 26 14:58:24 2014, in response to Re: How To Get Into Ozone Park LIRR Station, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sun Oct 26 09:28:37 2014. You obviously don't, since that post had nothing to do with you and I wasn't expecting you to read it in the first place. |
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Posted by Nilet on Sun Oct 26 14:58:25 2014, in response to Re: How To Get Into Ozone Park LIRR Station, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sun Oct 26 09:28:54 2014. Aw, you broke. :( |
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Posted by randyo on Sun Oct 26 15:04:49 2014, in response to Re: What year were wooden cars finally banned from subway tunnels?, posted by Elkeeper on Sun Oct 26 14:24:43 2014. It may not necessarily be the testing of the prototypes. It could be a transfer of Cs from DO Yd to CIY or if its E/Pky it could be a normal weekend train terminating there since some time after the IND opened to Euclid, Rockaway Av station was closed on weekends and the Fulton St el operated into E/Pky. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sun Oct 26 16:03:24 2014, in response to Re: How To Get Into Ozone Park LIRR Station, posted by Nilet on Sun Oct 26 14:58:22 2014. In this thread perhaps....but I didn't cast the first stones....this goes back years....no....not your April arrival or OTChat. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sun Oct 26 16:04:53 2014, in response to Re: How To Get Into Ozone Park LIRR Station, posted by Nilet on Sun Oct 26 14:58:23 2014. Nope....not at all. Plenty know your crap. Theres no one else here I have any problem with. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sun Oct 26 16:05:59 2014, in response to Re: How To Get Into Ozone Park LIRR Station, posted by Nilet on Sun Oct 26 14:58:24 2014. We can read....or not read and respond or not respond to anything we want to here. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sun Oct 26 16:06:56 2014, in response to Re: How To Get Into Ozone Park LIRR Station, posted by Nilet on Sun Oct 26 14:58:25 2014. No....a nasty response doesrves no more respect than a lol. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Sun Oct 26 16:52:49 2014, in response to Re: What year were wooden cars finally banned from subway tunnels?, posted by randyo on Sun Oct 26 15:04:49 2014. From what I can remember about the photo, it appeared much older than the 1940's. The front of the car had subway running lights for service into the Delancey/Centre St subway tunnels. |
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Posted by Nilet on Sun Oct 26 18:13:06 2014, in response to Re: How To Get Into Ozone Park LIRR Station, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sun Oct 26 16:03:24 2014. Oh please. Link or it didn't happen. |
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Posted by Nilet on Sun Oct 26 18:13:07 2014, in response to Re: How To Get Into Ozone Park LIRR Station, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sun Oct 26 16:04:53 2014. You just admitted you did.Like I said, the fact that you act like a spoiled child at all reflects badly on you— that you only do it around me is hardly an improvement even if it is true. |
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Posted by Nilet on Sun Oct 26 18:13:08 2014, in response to Re: How To Get Into Ozone Park LIRR Station, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sun Oct 26 16:05:59 2014. Yes, but to "respond" to a post that addresses someone else by saying: "I can't be bothered to read that!" is just silly. |
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Posted by Nilet on Sun Oct 26 18:13:10 2014, in response to Re: How To Get Into Ozone Park LIRR Station, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sun Oct 26 16:06:56 2014. Funny thing, though, is that by posting "lol" you inadvertently proved what I said. |
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Posted by randyo on Sun Oct 26 18:28:33 2014, in response to Re: What year were wooden cars finally banned from subway tunnels?, posted by Elkeeper on Sun Oct 26 16:52:49 2014. All the C types had subway type running lights. Why the Qs never had them until the seal beams were installed in the 1960s, I don’t know. |
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Posted by Express Rider on Sun Oct 26 18:39:10 2014, in response to Re: What year were wooden cars finally banned from subway tunnels?, posted by Elkeeper on Sun Oct 26 14:24:43 2014. Yes, Elkeeper it does indeed. :)Thank you very much. Thank you for taking the time to research this! Yes I have Cunningham/DeHart's book, read through it years ago, don't know how I couldn't remember that. And those dates - wow. Sounds like there's more research needed on what exactly was the wording content of the ban (for all NYC transit, not just the IRT Composites), when was it enacted, and if with the exceptions noted in several posts + yours above, was it ever seriously enforced? It is now packed away in storage, pending moving and a bunch of other stuff going on.,,, when I am settled I will read those sections again, and probably the entire 3 vols.as well (bought the reissue). Thanks again, next time I'm buyin! (Sam Adams) |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sun Oct 26 19:25:46 2014, in response to Re: How To Get Into Ozone Park LIRR Station, posted by Nilet on Sun Oct 26 18:13:07 2014. Your opinion. And like I said....I really have no respect for you....nor do I care what you think! And I didn't say around you....I said only you. I have no issues with anyone else here. No one has disrespected me like you have and I have absolutely no respect for you. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sun Oct 26 19:26:55 2014, in response to Re: How To Get Into Ozone Park LIRR Station, posted by Nilet on Sun Oct 26 18:13:10 2014. You can think what you want. Your opinion is of no meaning. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Sun Oct 26 19:27:13 2014, in response to Re: What year were wooden cars finally banned from subway tunnels?, posted by Express Rider on Sun Oct 26 18:39:10 2014. I really am unsure if there was ever real inclusive ban on wooden cars. The "Q's" ran to Main St, Flushing for the 1939 World's Fair, right? As I wrote before, the BMT gate cars ran under Centre St until August, 1927. Plus, the BMT "C" cars were tested for 2 months, Jan + Feb, 1923, on the Broadway-Brooklyn lines, running to either Chambers or Canal Sts.glad to hear that you have all 3 volumes of Cunningham/Dehart. It took me over 30 years to find Volume 1 (IRT), the scarcest one! |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Sun Oct 26 19:32:34 2014, in response to Re: What year were wooden cars finally banned from subway tunnels?, posted by randyo on Sun Oct 26 18:28:33 2014. I thought only 1500ABC and 1501ABC had subway running lights. |
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Posted by Nilet on Sun Oct 26 19:45:07 2014, in response to Re: How To Get Into Ozone Park LIRR Station, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sun Oct 26 19:26:55 2014. You can think what you want. Your opinion is of no meaning. |
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Posted by Nilet on Sun Oct 26 19:48:08 2014, in response to Re: How To Get Into Ozone Park LIRR Station, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sun Oct 26 19:25:46 2014. And like I said....I really have no respect for you....nor do I care what you think!Thanks for the undorsement. And I didn't say around you....I said only you. You say termaters, I zader matermorts. The point is, you act like a spoiled child and saying: "I only do it sometimes" does not help your case. No one has disrespected me like you have... How? Where? Links or it didn't happen. |
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Posted by Express Rider on Mon Oct 27 00:55:38 2014, in response to Re: What year were wooden cars finally banned from subway tunnels?, posted by Elkeeper on Sun Oct 26 19:27:13 2014. "...unsure if there was ever real inclusive ban on wooden cars."In practice, with all the operational exceptions cited, it sure doesn't sound like it. Everything I have heard about the ban over the years, has all been second hand and verbal - so it almost sounds as though it's anecdotal history. Various people have spoken about the Composites' situation, and say 'from then on...' re: the ban. Others say the same, and then add, 'but it was only after Malbone St. that..." re: the ban. So, y'know, go figure... Again, only verbally, I was told the BU's could operate to Main St. since they had more metal in either/or their trucks or overall design. Most of the people who would know the facts are gone now, with the exception of Bernie Linder, and maybe a few others. I wonder how much Jeff H. might know? On one of the Q fantrips, '69 or '70, we operated as far as Delancy St., but were told we couldn't go any further. But when the BU's rebuilt from Q's were running on fantrips, during the '70s, Roger Arcara told me that a couple of times, when the trip included the Astoria Line, (I think) the Q's/BU's operated through the entire Broadway subway from Delancy St. up to the Queensboro Bridge, with passengers (railfans). And he added, that doing that was kind of cheating and, that it was either kept quiet or was an 'open secret.' When the three volume Cunningham DeHart set was reissued Joe Cunningham came to an NY Div meeting. We spoke for awhile and kept in touch for a bit afterwards. I can probably give him a call sometime. He's a nice guy. I heard about the Cunningham/DeHart history when I was still up in Boston, and was told it was long out of print. So when I got back to NY, and heard about the re-issue I got my hands on it real fast. Thanks again. If I am able to find out anymore information about this I'll let you know. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Mon Oct 27 01:20:02 2014, in response to Re: What year were wooden cars finally banned from subway tunnels?, posted by Express Rider on Mon Oct 27 00:55:38 2014. Gate cars continued on the Brighton-Franklin line, long after Malbone St. After the Brighton subway was opened in 1920, there just weren't enough steel Standards to spare for that service. Also, bear in mind that there were steel Jamaica, Canarsie, and, beginning in 1918- Myrtle Ave Expresses running under Centre St. Hence the gate car rush hour locals that ran on the Broadway-Brooklyn local until 1927. |
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Posted by Express Rider on Mon Oct 27 01:48:40 2014, in response to Re: What year were wooden cars finally banned from subway tunnels?, posted by Elkeeper on Mon Oct 27 01:20:02 2014. Thanks for the info. about the gate cars, continuing to operate on the Brighton-Franklin post Malbone St. - I didn't know that.Also for explaining the BMT equipment shortage. I have heard about that too, but never any further details on why. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Mon Oct 27 03:08:46 2014, in response to Re: How To Get Into Ozone Park LIRR Station, posted by Nilet on Sun Oct 26 19:48:08 2014. Sometimes? No....I said only to YOU. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Mon Oct 27 03:09:24 2014, in response to Re: How To Get Into Ozone Park LIRR Station, posted by Nilet on Sun Oct 26 19:45:07 2014. Lol!!!!! |
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Posted by Nilet on Mon Oct 27 03:24:59 2014, in response to Re: How To Get Into Ozone Park LIRR Station, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Mon Oct 27 03:08:46 2014. Which counts as "sometimes."The problem is that you act like a spoiled child at all. The details of when are irrelevant. |
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Posted by Nilet on Mon Oct 27 03:25:00 2014, in response to Re: How To Get Into Ozone Park LIRR Station, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Mon Oct 27 03:09:24 2014. Lol! <-- correct number of exclamation points. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Mon Oct 27 03:33:02 2014, in response to Re: How To Get Into Ozone Park LIRR Station, posted by Nilet on Mon Oct 27 03:24:59 2014. Lol!!! If that makes you feel better! |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Mon Oct 27 03:33:22 2014, in response to Re: How To Get Into Ozone Park LIRR Station, posted by Nilet on Mon Oct 27 03:25:00 2014. LOL!!!!!! |
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Posted by Nilet on Mon Oct 27 04:04:18 2014, in response to Re: How To Get Into Ozone Park LIRR Station, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Mon Oct 27 03:33:02 2014. As difficult as this may be for you to comprehend, I don't much care that you act like a spoiled child on the internet. It's your own reputation you're ruining. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Mon Oct 27 04:16:00 2014, in response to Re: How To Get Into Ozone Park LIRR Station, posted by Nilet on Mon Oct 27 04:04:18 2014. Lol!!!! Believe what you want guy. Your opinion is absolutely meaningless to me. |
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Posted by Nilet on Mon Oct 27 04:31:13 2014, in response to Re: How To Get Into Ozone Park LIRR Station, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Mon Oct 27 04:16:00 2014. Then I believe we have actually reached an agreement.At least until the next time I ask a random innocuous question and you throw a tantrum like a spoiled child, claiming it's justified by some alleged rudeness on my part years ago that you can't actually link to. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Mon Oct 27 06:34:46 2014, in response to Re: How To Get Into Ozone Park LIRR Station, posted by Nilet on Mon Oct 27 04:31:13 2014. Lol!!!!! |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Oct 27 07:22:26 2014, in response to Re: How To Get Into Ozone Park LIRR Station, posted by Nilet on Mon Oct 27 04:04:18 2014. No he's not. He's got a stellar reputation except in the minds of you and bingbong. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Oct 27 07:23:17 2014, in response to Re: How To Get Into Ozone Park LIRR Station, posted by Nilet on Sun Oct 26 19:45:07 2014. His opinion is of much meaning. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Mon Oct 27 07:28:18 2014, in response to Re: What year were wooden cars finally banned from subway tunnels?, posted by Express Rider on Sat Oct 25 01:37:04 2014. They were definitely there in 1978, when Mom pointed them out to me... |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Mon Oct 27 07:29:42 2014, in response to Re: What year were wooden cars finally banned from subway tunnels?, posted by 3-9 on Sat Oct 25 04:31:04 2014. Yes, they ran an article about it, with a picture, in 1989. That was my first knowledge of the Second Avenue El. I showed it to my Mom, who told me the story I previously mentioned. |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Oct 27 13:17:59 2014, in response to Re: What year were wooden cars finally banned from subway tunnels?, posted by Elkeeper on Sun Oct 26 19:32:34 2014. As originally converted 1500 and 1501 had the subway type running lights arranged like the ABs with the reds above the white. After rebuilding the fronts they were arranged with the red next to the white like the remainder of the Cs and the D type subway cars as well. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Mon Oct 27 14:13:32 2014, in response to Re: What year were wooden cars finally banned from subway tunnels?, posted by randyo on Mon Oct 27 13:17:59 2014. That's correct! I was talking about the original lighting setup when they first went into trail service in January, 1923. |
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Posted by Nilet on Wed Oct 29 01:36:55 2014, in response to Re: How To Get Into Ozone Park LIRR Station, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Oct 27 07:23:17 2014. You're not exactly qualified to make that assessment. |
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Posted by Nilet on Wed Oct 29 01:36:57 2014, in response to Re: How To Get Into Ozone Park LIRR Station, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Oct 27 07:22:26 2014. You're not exactly qualified to make that assessment.So tell me, if he has such a stellar reputation, how come half of SubChat was driven away by his antics? You don't see BMTLines around here anymore... |
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Posted by Nilet on Wed Oct 29 01:36:59 2014, in response to Re: How To Get Into Ozone Park LIRR Station, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Mon Oct 27 06:34:46 2014. You really are a piece of work, aintcha? |
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