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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Oct 16 17:28:38 2014, in response to Re: How To Get Into Ozone Park LIRR Station, posted by MorningsideHeightsM100 on Thu Oct 16 14:17:44 2014. I think people re totally confusing the Woodhaven station that is on the still in use Atlantic Branch, and the abandoned Woodhaven station upstairs on the abandoned Rockaway Branch. There's TWO abandoned stations there. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Oct 16 17:30:31 2014, in response to Re: How To Get Into Ozone Park LIRR Station, posted by Nilet on Wed Oct 15 17:35:03 2014. That suggests no such thing, but arguing with you is akin to slamming one's head against the wall, so believe what you want in your little world. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Oct 16 17:31:33 2014, in response to Re: How To Get Into Ozone Park LIRR Station, posted by northshore on Thu Oct 16 15:59:39 2014. Or bring back the trains and rebuild it, and one can actually use it for transportation, what it was meant for.... |
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Posted by train dude on Thu Oct 16 18:26:24 2014, in response to Re: How To Get Into Ozone Park LIRR Station, posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Oct 16 12:42:29 2014. Nobshit for brains. You are the other asshole that got fired and I had nothing to do with that. Just how fucking stupid are you? |
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Posted by Nilet on Fri Oct 17 03:58:34 2014, in response to Re: How To Get Into Ozone Park LIRR Station, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Oct 16 17:30:31 2014. 1. There are no obvious restrictions on access to it.2. There are no people using it who would benefit from exclusivity of access. 3. Many people have been there, with no indication by anybody that they are trespassing. In fact, SubChat often mentions that people living adjacent to the abandoned ROW have claimed pieces of it as their property without dispute. That would tend to suggest that there is no active private property claim on the abandoned ROW. It's not a certainty - which is why I asked - but it does tend to suggest it. |
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Posted by Nilet on Fri Oct 17 03:58:37 2014, in response to Re: How To Get Into Ozone Park LIRR Station, posted by rkba on Thu Oct 16 11:09:47 2014. Rkba logic: "Nilet asked whether it's possible to visit the Ozone Park station legally, therefore Nilet is planning to go there whether it's legal or not!"I guess according to rkba, all criminal attorneys are themselves criminals. |
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Posted by Nilet on Fri Oct 17 03:58:39 2014, in response to Re: How To Get Into Ozone Park LIRR Station, posted by rkba on Thu Oct 16 11:08:33 2014. Yeah, you got confused and started spouting gibberish and when I pointed this out to you, you inexpertly tried to recover your dignity in a manner not entirely like a cat who has fallen off a ledge. |
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Posted by Nilet on Fri Oct 17 03:58:41 2014, in response to Re: How To Get Into Ozone Park LIRR Station, posted by train dude on Thu Oct 16 12:31:44 2014. None of which changes the fact that you have advocated for the abolition of unions and an end to pensions. |
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Posted by Nilet on Fri Oct 17 03:58:43 2014, in response to Re: How To Get Into Ozone Park LIRR Station, posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Oct 16 12:41:09 2014. If you want to know who is responsible for the constant disruptions to the "harmony" of SubChat, look no further than my original post and rkba's reply, followed by the exchange with Train Dude.I asked: "Is it possible to legally visit the Ozone Park station?" When rkba read this post, his broken diseased mind invented the idea that I was intentionally planning to commit a crime for no reason and began drooling incoherently over his keyboard. Train Dude likely has the intellect for basic reading comprehension in theory, but he's been so thoroughly infected by noxious ideology that he ignored what I actually said and began attacking the criminality/entitlement/whatever that rkba made up. You know, this country would be much better off if conservatives weren't allowed to vote. We don't let children vote because they lack the intellect and responsibility to handle it— since conservatives aren't any more capable, the same arguments apply. Alas, any method to restrict voting to the sane and responsible would itself be corrupted by the nutters and limiting the influence of the nutters would make voting restrictions unnecessary— a catch-22 no one has managed to resolve. |
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Posted by Nilet on Fri Oct 17 08:25:32 2014, in response to Re: How To Get Into Ozone Park LIRR Station, posted by Nilet on Fri Oct 17 03:58:39 2014. *not entirely unlike |
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Posted by train dude on Fri Oct 17 08:28:23 2014, in response to Re: How To Get Into Ozone Park LIRR Station, posted by Nilet on Fri Oct 17 03:58:41 2014. Oh? I'll just bet that you can post a link to where I've said as much. Put up or shut up dirty little boy. |
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Posted by Nilet on Fri Oct 17 08:43:33 2014, in response to Re: How To Get Into Ozone Park LIRR Station, posted by train dude on Fri Oct 17 08:28:23 2014. Oh? I'll just bet that you can post a link to where I've said as much.Your support for the right wing is well known. How many links did you want? Put up or shut up dirty little boy. Oh, so you are gay. That would explain this whole exchange. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Oct 17 08:48:34 2014, in response to Re: How To Get Into Ozone Park LIRR Station, posted by Nilet on Fri Oct 17 03:58:34 2014. Uhm no. Just because you can walk somewhere, doesn't mean you necessarily have a right to be there.February 1991:      Below photo from "Change at Ozone Park": 
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Oct 17 08:49:06 2014, in response to Re: How To Get Into Ozone Park LIRR Station, posted by Nilet on Fri Oct 17 03:58:34 2014. Uhm no. Just because you can walk somewhere, doesn't mean you necessarily have a right to be there.June 1991: Below photo from "Change at Ozone Park":
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Posted by Nilet on Fri Oct 17 08:51:45 2014, in response to Re: How To Get Into Ozone Park LIRR Station, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Oct 17 08:49:06 2014. It doesn't necessarily mean one has a right to be there, but when many people have walked there and even claimed chunks of it as their own property, it does tend to imply it.So where's the whining about the "entitlement" of whoever took those photos? |
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Posted by train dude on Fri Oct 17 09:05:33 2014, in response to Re: How To Get Into Ozone Park LIRR Station, posted by Nilet on Fri Oct 17 08:43:33 2014. Post one where I advocate an anti-union or anti-pension position. Parrotting seltwat and bigbang certainly doesn't make you seem too intelligent. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Oct 17 09:08:20 2014, in response to Re: How To Get Into Ozone Park LIRR Station, posted by Nilet on Fri Oct 17 03:58:34 2014. 1. It is not held open to the public.2. Not relevant 3a. People brag about their crimes all the time. 3b. Also not relevant. They may have a valid claim through adverse possession or they don't. I would have to know the specific details. |
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Posted by AlM on Fri Oct 17 11:43:31 2014, in response to Re: How To Get Into Ozone Park LIRR Station, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Oct 17 09:08:20 2014. I've taken a look in Google Street View. Where the ROW is on an embankment rather than a viaduct, there are fences restricting access. I found one gap in a fence that would allow anyone in moderate shape to climb onto the ROW and bushwack their way to the Ozone Park station. There are no "No Trespassing" signs visible.On the other hand, we know the MTA has the right to exclude people from their property for safety reasons. Is it trespassing if they don't post it but just fence it? My layman's guess is that you might get arrested but might beat the rap in court because of the lack of signs. But you wouldn't win a false arrest suit because the fence sent an obvious message. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Oct 17 12:06:47 2014, in response to Re: How To Get Into Ozone Park LIRR Station, posted by AlM on Fri Oct 17 11:43:31 2014. No, that would be at least third degree trespassing (NY Penal Law §140.10(a)). |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Oct 17 14:42:27 2014, in response to Re: How To Get Into Ozone Park LIRR Station, posted by Nilet on Fri Oct 17 08:51:45 2014. I took them almost 25 years ago. And I never claimed entitlement. |
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Posted by TUNNELRAT on Fri Oct 17 17:05:01 2014, in response to Re: How To Get Into Ozone Park LIRR Station, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Oct 17 12:06:47 2014. that's correct spidey,no signs have to be posted either. |
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Posted by Nilet on Fri Oct 17 20:50:45 2014, in response to Re: How To Get Into Ozone Park LIRR Station, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Oct 17 14:42:27 2014. The mere fact that I asked if it were possible to take the photos legally apparently proves that I think I'm entitled to break the law, so the fact that you actually did take photos apparently proves that you're a hardened criminal. |
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Posted by Nilet on Fri Oct 17 20:51:21 2014, in response to Re: How To Get Into Ozone Park LIRR Station, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Oct 17 09:08:20 2014. 1. What do you mean? It's empty and there's neither signs nor barriers restricting access, as far as I can see.2. Very relevant— that a property is completely abandoned is evidence that there's no active private property claim on it. 3a. People also brag about perfectly legal activities all the time, with much greater frequency. If this were actually a crime, how come none of the "braggers" have been charged? 3b. "Adverse possession" basically means "I've trespassed so long that it counts as my property now." For adverse possession to be a meaningful claim, the property would need to be abandoned, meaning I'd be free to explore it. If a property is subject to continuous encroachment, it can't be subject to trespass. |
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Posted by Nilet on Fri Oct 17 20:51:58 2014, in response to Re: How To Get Into Ozone Park LIRR Station, posted by train dude on Fri Oct 17 09:05:33 2014. Start here, where you admit that you oppose unions and pensions but claim it doesn't count unless you say the phrase "I oppose unions and pensions" on SubChat.Then try two more links that prove your right-wing leanings. One. Two. You're not seriously going to claim that you don't vote Republican now, are you? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Oct 17 21:14:24 2014, in response to Re: How To Get Into Ozone Park LIRR Station, posted by Nilet on Fri Oct 17 20:51:21 2014. 1. Apparently it is fenced in, poorly.2. No. A private property owner may still hold property despite not using it for any visible purpose. 3a. For some of them the statute of limitations has long since lapsed. And in any case, that people regularly get away with something doesn't mean that everyone will. 3b. Adverse possession does not imply abandonment. It implies neglect. Not that it matters. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Fri Oct 17 23:16:18 2014, in response to Re: How To Get Into Ozone Park LIRR Station, posted by Nilet on Fri Oct 17 20:50:45 2014. And how do you know I wasn't there on a formal tour......which was given regularly back then? |
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Posted by Nilet on Fri Oct 17 23:19:42 2014, in response to Re: How To Get Into Ozone Park LIRR Station, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Oct 17 21:14:24 2014. 1. Apparently. I hadn't noticed.2. It's not definitive, but it is evidence. 3a. This isn't people "regularly get away with it." I have yet to see any indication that anyone has ever been charged. 3b. Adverse possession means that occupation of the property without the permission of its nominal owner is so commonplace and has occurred without dispute for so long that the occupant now has greater claim to the property than the original owner. If people living adjacent to the ROW can act like they own it, then that would tend to indicate I can walk down it. |
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Posted by Nilet on Fri Oct 17 23:20:33 2014, in response to Re: How To Get Into Ozone Park LIRR Station, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Fri Oct 17 23:16:18 2014. According to rkba-logic, it doesn't matter. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Oct 18 08:25:59 2014, in response to Re: How To Get Into Ozone Park LIRR Station, posted by Nilet on Fri Oct 17 23:20:33 2014. No according to your obsessive self that is what you claim. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Oct 18 08:49:51 2014, in response to Re: How To Get Into Ozone Park LIRR Station, posted by Nilet on Fri Oct 17 23:19:42 2014. 3a. So? If you're that confident, give it a try. Don't consider this legal advice, though.3b. Adverse possession only affects the property so possessed. The original owner's claim to the rest of his property is unaffected. Of course, if the property owner is sufficiently uninterested, you won't get caught trespassing. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Oct 18 09:37:49 2014, in response to Re: How To Get Into Ozone Park LIRR Station, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Oct 18 08:49:51 2014. Yes...the words are something to the affect of "openly and nnotoriously" using someone's property uninterrupted. It think in new York state its 10 years for private property. Its much harder for public property. If the chain is interrupted.....such as the owner blocking off for a day or dismantling something you put there.....it goes back to day zero even if you continue to occupy.That's why private communities often block off seemingly public roads once a year. We have a few of those type of communities on long island where the roads are not town property but instead owned by a civic community. They usually block off the entrances one a year to enforce that claim. |
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Posted by merrick1 on Sat Oct 18 09:38:07 2014, in response to Re: How To Get Into Ozone Park LIRR Station, posted by Nilet on Fri Oct 17 23:19:42 2014. There is thisN.Y. RPA. LAW § 543 1. Notwithstanding any other provision of this article, the existence of de minimus non-structural encroachments including, but not limited to, fences, hedges, shrubbery, plantings, sheds and non-structural walls, shall be deemed to be permissive and non-adverse. 2. Notwithstanding any other provision of this article, the acts of lawn mowing or similar maintenance across the boundary line of an adjoining landowner's property shall be deemed permissive and non-adverse. |
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Posted by Nilet on Sat Oct 18 09:46:36 2014, in response to Re: How To Get Into Ozone Park LIRR Station, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Oct 18 08:25:59 2014. Um, no. Read my original post, where I asked if it was possible to legally access the Ozone Park station.Now read rkba's reply, where he assumed that asking if someplace is legally accessible is tantamount to trespassing. Obviously, rkba believes that expressing any interest in a place that might be private property is the same thing as knowingly trespassing on private property. Since you have actually visited an abandoned station, rather than merely expressing interest in doing so, you have necessarily trespassed according to rkba-logic. |
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Posted by Andrew Saucci on Sat Oct 18 10:09:46 2014, in response to How To Get Into Ozone Park LIRR Station, posted by Nilet on Tue Oct 14 08:05:38 2014. The real question here is why any sane person would want to enter an area that has been reported to be infested with poison ivy. For all we know, it probably has chiggers and mosquitos as well. Look what happened to Steve Irwin, and he was a professional. The only good thing I can say about the idea is that the probability of being hit by a train is reasonably low. |
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Posted by Nilet on Sat Oct 18 10:18:59 2014, in response to Re: How To Get Into Ozone Park LIRR Station, posted by Andrew Saucci on Sat Oct 18 10:09:46 2014. This is the first I've heard about poison ivy or parasitic insects. |
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Posted by TUNNELRAT on Sat Oct 18 10:23:42 2014, in response to Re: How To Get Into Ozone Park LIRR Station, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Oct 18 09:37:49 2014. ROCKERFELLER CENTER DOES THE SAME THING. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Oct 18 14:35:52 2014, in response to Re: How To Get Into Ozone Park LIRR Station, posted by merrick1 on Sat Oct 18 09:38:07 2014. New York is such a permissive state. |
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Posted by randyo on Sat Oct 18 16:34:01 2014, in response to Re: How To Get Into Ozone Park LIRR Station, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Oct 18 09:37:49 2014. This issue was mentioned a couple of years ago when the potential reactivation of the property became a topic of discussion and it was mentioned that the law of adverse possession does not apply to railroad properties so technically those "squatters" are still trespassing. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Oct 18 17:13:36 2014, in response to Re: How To Get Into Ozone Park LIRR Station, posted by randyo on Sat Oct 18 16:34:01 2014. As I said.....with public property its not like private property., |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Oct 18 17:14:13 2014, in response to Re: How To Get Into Ozone Park LIRR Station, posted by TUNNELRAT on Sat Oct 18 10:23:42 2014. Exactly.....perfect example that people are familiar with. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Oct 18 18:49:57 2014, in response to Re: How To Get Into Ozone Park LIRR Station, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Oct 16 17:31:33 2014. 
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Posted by Edwards! on Sat Oct 18 23:01:36 2014, in response to Re: How To Get Into Ozone Park LIRR Station, posted by northshore on Thu Oct 16 15:59:39 2014. I have an even Better Idea..Turn the Row back into what was built for..Train services. Don't forget to wear your pink supporting Cancer Research. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sun Oct 19 17:10:50 2014, in response to Re: How To Get Into Ozone Park LIRR Station, posted by Nilet on Sat Oct 18 09:46:36 2014. No.....I have been to just about every abandoned underground station.....including.... City Hall (multiple times), Worth St, Brooklyn Bridge Side platforms, 14th St side platforms, 91st St, 18th St, 9th Ave, 42 St lower, Bergen St lower, Nevins St, as well as.....Woodhaven upper, and the list goes on......and all legally. Your assumption that presence in an abandoned station only involves trespassing is absurd at best |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sun Oct 19 17:12:05 2014, in response to Re: How To Get Into Ozone Park LIRR Station, posted by merrick1 on Sat Oct 18 09:38:07 2014. Excellent.....the asshole is owned as usual. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sun Oct 19 17:13:42 2014, in response to Re: How To Get Into Ozone Park LIRR Station, posted by Andrew Saucci on Sat Oct 18 10:09:46 2014. I can vouch.....its INFESTED with poison ivy on many parts of the ROW.....which can also be passed in winter months. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sun Oct 19 17:14:40 2014, in response to Re: How To Get Into Ozone Park LIRR Station, posted by Nilet on Sat Oct 18 10:18:59 2014. Lol!!!! Shows you how uninformed you are. But everyone already knows you are all talk with no substance. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sun Oct 19 17:16:10 2014, in response to Re: How To Get Into Ozone Park LIRR Station, posted by Jrice on Wed Oct 15 09:23:38 2014. Not to mention....much of the ROW is infested with poison ivy. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sun Oct 19 17:17:12 2014, in response to Re: How To Get Into Ozone Park LIRR Station, posted by Andrew Saucci on Sat Oct 18 10:09:46 2014. Mosquito's live around stagnant water. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Oct 19 17:59:56 2014, in response to Re: How To Get Into Ozone Park LIRR Station, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Oct 16 17:28:38 2014. We need maps. And photo illustrations. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Oct 19 18:02:20 2014, in response to Re: How To Get Into Ozone Park LIRR Station, posted by Nilet on Wed Oct 15 17:38:33 2014. It would hardly be the first time I've walked on something less smooth than a city street.Oh? Do tell. And don't skimp on the salacious details! Post pics if/when available. |
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