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Lackawanna Cutoff update (NJ Transit service to Andover, NJ or Scranton, PA)
Posted by Gold_12th on Fri Sep 19 14:03:25 2014 edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Work is moving ahead, but behind the scenes, to finish the rail line that will bring commuter rail service to Andover, the Sussex County freeholders were told Wednesday. During the board's regular meeting Wednesday evening, the group was updated by Freeholder Director Rich Vohden, that the bid solicitation has been published for the Roseville Tunnel work. Earlier in the day, during a tour of a couple of bridges, County Engineer Walter Cramp said his office is also working with NJTransit on plans to replace the Roseville Road bridge, which crosses the rails near where the Andover train station is to be built. Vohden, who represents Sussex County on the North Jersey Transportation Planning Authority, said the work on the tunnel will be a "design/build" project which means the bidder is being asked to do the design work as well as be responsible for construction. The tunnel's ceiling has been collapsing almost from the day it was opened to rail traffic in the early 1900s. When the line, known as the Lackawanna Cutoff because it was a shortcut into Pennsylvania, was running as an active railroad, flagmen were stationed at the tunnel to walk through before a train was to arrive to check for fallen rocks. The project will be to line the inside of the tunnel, which measures just over 1,000 feet long, is wide enough for two tracks and tall enough to allow the new double-decker trains which NJTransit will be putting on the track. During the tour, Cramp told the freeholders that the Roseville Road bridge will have to be completely replaced, with mostly state money used for the project. The bridge currently is a single lane, but when the new station opens, there will be plenty of traffic, warranting a two-lane structure. He noted that the new bridge will also have to be higher over the tracks to accommodate the double-decker trains. While the current plan is to stop at the Andover station, the long-range plans are for the entire Lackawanna Cutoff to be opened to allow commuter trains to go all the way to Scranton, Pa. http://m.njherald.com/w/main/story/120149890/p4/
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Re: Lackawanna Cutoff update (NJ Transit service to Andover, NJ or Scranton, PA)
Posted by Olog-hai* on Fri Sep 19 14:43:24 2014, in response to Lackawanna Cutoff update (NJ Transit service to Andover, NJ or Scranton, PA), posted by Gold_12th on Fri Sep 19 14:03:25 2014.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d He noted that the new bridge will also have to be higher over the tracks to accommodate the double-decker trains . . . What?? Come on. DL&W locos of the past were taller than these double-deck cars.
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Re: Lackawanna Cutoff update (NJ Transit service to Andover, NJ or Scranton, PA)
Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Fri Sep 19 14:58:08 2014, in response to Re: Lackawanna Cutoff update (NJ Transit service to Andover, NJ or Scranton, PA), posted by Olog-hai on Fri Sep 19 14:43:24 2014. edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d MLVs are listed as 14'5"; an SD45 is 15'7". So yeah.
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Re: Lackawanna Cutoff update (NJ Transit service to Andover, NJ or Scranton, PA)
Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Fri Sep 19 15:19:45 2014, in response to Re: Lackawanna Cutoff update (NJ Transit service to Andover, NJ or Scranton, PA), posted by Hank Eisenstein on Fri Sep 19 14:58:08 2014. edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Maybe + catenary wire?
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Re: Lackawanna Cutoff update (NJ Transit service to Andover, NJ or Scranton, PA)
Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Sep 19 15:24:12 2014, in response to Re: Lackawanna Cutoff update (NJ Transit service to Andover, NJ or Scranton, PA), posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Fri Sep 19 15:19:45 2014. edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d It's all diesel out there.
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Re: Lackawanna Cutoff update (NJ Transit service to Andover, NJ or Scranton, PA)
Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Fri Sep 19 15:34:44 2014, in response to Re: Lackawanna Cutoff update (NJ Transit service to Andover, NJ or Scranton, PA), posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Sep 19 15:24:12 2014. edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d It would be very stupid to build a new two lane bridge w/out providing for higher and wider cars. (and catenary if the US wakes up)
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Re: Lackawanna Cutoff update (NJ Transit service to Andover, NJ or Scranton, PA)
Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Sep 19 17:19:20 2014, in response to Re: Lackawanna Cutoff update (NJ Transit service to Andover, NJ or Scranton, PA), posted by Jackson Park B Train on Fri Sep 19 15:34:44 2014. edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d and catenary if the US wakes up "Wakes up" to what? Maybe more deregulation, because all of US liberal regulation with respect to railroads favors diesel-electric. Just what higher and wider cars do you think are going to pass under this bridge, really? Any new passenger platforms will be high level, automatically restricting width to 10' 8" max. Nothing higher than about 16' can go further east, unless you think that freight is going to traverse these tracks again? which there is absolutely no indication of.
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Re: Lackawanna Cutoff update (NJ Transit service to Andover, NJ or Scranton, PA)
Posted by WillD* on Fri Sep 19 18:04:50 2014, in response to Re: Lackawanna Cutoff update (NJ Transit service to Andover, NJ or Scranton, PA), posted by Olog-hai on Fri Sep 19 17:19:20 2014.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Maybe more deregulation, because all of US liberal regulation with respect to railroads favors diesel-electric. You of course mean "liberal" in the sense of not particularly strict, right? Because the EPA's standards for locomotives are absolutely laughable and it'd make you look like an enormous fool completely disconnected from reality if you somehow had convinced yourself that LESS regulation might mean the freight railroads would electrify.
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Re: Lackawanna Cutoff update (NJ Transit service to Andover, NJ or Scranton, PA)
Posted by WillD* on Fri Sep 19 18:07:36 2014, in response to Lackawanna Cutoff update (NJ Transit service to Andover, NJ or Scranton, PA), posted by Gold_12th on Fri Sep 19 14:03:25 2014.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Why are we wasting a dime on this complete and utter boondoggle? How many hundreds of millions of dollars are we going to end up squandering to move a few hundred people a day into the exurbs? If this is such a vital corridor then let Pennsylvania pay for it. NJ has more pressing transportation needs, and we do not need the railway to nowhere.
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Re: Lackawanna Cutoff update (NJ Transit service to Andover, NJ or Scranton, PA)
Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Sep 19 20:26:06 2014, in response to Re: Lackawanna Cutoff update (NJ Transit service to Andover, NJ or Scranton, PA), posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Fri Sep 19 15:19:45 2014. edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d It's all diesel out there.
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Re: Lackawanna Cutoff update (NJ Transit service to Andover, NJ or Scranton, PA)
Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Sep 20 08:45:39 2014, in response to Re: Lackawanna Cutoff update (NJ Transit service to Andover, NJ or Scranton, PA), posted by Jackson Park B Train on Fri Sep 19 15:34:44 2014. edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d NJT isn't putting wire up there, not for the service levels imagined and especially not because of the ALP45DP's.
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Re: Lackawanna Cutoff update (NJ Transit service to Andover, NJ or Scranton, PA)
Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Sep 20 15:15:11 2014, in response to Re: Lackawanna Cutoff update (NJ Transit service to Andover, NJ or Scranton, PA), posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Sep 20 08:45:39 2014. edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Certainly not. Even their favorite European countries do not electrify for such service levels; they have the dreaded "diseasels".
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Re: Lackawanna Cutoff update (NJ Transit service to Andover, NJ or Scranton, PA)
Posted by Joe V* on Sat Sep 20 16:59:53 2014, in response to Re: Lackawanna Cutoff update (NJ Transit service to Andover, NJ or Scranton, PA), posted by WillD on Fri Sep 19 18:07:36 2014.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d I understand, but a lot of interstate highways run through many miles of God's county to get to the next state, where there is again a market. It is a necessary evil in having interstate transportation. There is not a whole lot of population in the western-most 20 miles of I78 nor I80, but there's plenty of overhead traffic.
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Re: Lackawanna Cutoff update (NJ Transit service to Andover, NJ or Scranton, PA)
Posted by merrick1 on Sat Sep 20 17:10:27 2014, in response to Re: Lackawanna Cutoff update (NJ Transit service to Andover, NJ or Scranton, PA), posted by WillD on Fri Sep 19 18:07:36 2014. edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d If you build it they will come.
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