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Posted by Wallyhorse on Thu Sep 18 04:42:46 2014, in response to Re: Culver Express, posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Wed Sep 17 10:15:19 2014. It is to benefit Brooklyn riders, including those at Coney Island (who would have a one-seat ride via 8th Avenue that is currently NOT an option for them) as well as those at Express stops and so forth.Riders coming from the elevated portion looking for 6th Avenue midtown would have the option of switching to an empty (F) at Church Avenue or switching anywhere between there and Broadway-Lafayette or to the B/D/M at the latter. |
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Re: Rider's Wish List: (F) Brooklyn Express; Metro-North in Co-Op City; More rail service to Queens/S.I. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Thu Sep 18 04:44:55 2014, in response to Re: Rider's Wish List: (F) Brooklyn Express; Metro-North in Co-Op City; More rail service to Queens/S.I., posted by JAzumah on Tue Sep 16 19:30:05 2014. That's why I would have the (C) as the Culver Express (as noted above) while the (F) is shortened to Church Avenue but remains as is otherwise (except overnights, when the (F) would still run as it does now unless it's warranted to make the (C) a 24/7 line). |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Sep 18 08:22:58 2014, in response to Re: Culver Express, posted by Michael549 on Thu Sep 18 01:28:28 2014. The problem is not so much with the express, but with a local originating at Kings Highway. In any event there is no need for an express on the Culver [McDonald Ave].The "Culver" is the Culver built line over McDonald Avenue. What that IND segment is called is anybody's guess, but it is NOT the Culver Line. Call it the Smith Street Line if you like. The LION calls it the Gowanus Line. MTA seems to call it the Culver and the "Culver Viaduct", but Mr. Culver built no such thing. Returning the Gowanus Express makes sense only to give the resedents in Carroll Gardens etc seats on a train. Run all trains Local, but ADD fresh empty (F) trains at Church Avenue at 0700, 0720, 0740, 0800, 0815, 0830 and at 0845. Residents who want to plant their butts on a seat will quickly learn when those trains will be comming through. ROAR |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Sep 18 08:25:59 2014, in response to Re: Culver Express, posted by Edwards! on Thu Sep 18 02:23:58 2014. Yes. The Express Trains can always terminate at Kings Highway. LOCAL TRAINS Cannot. Ergo, Express trains cannot run from Coney Island, but only from Kings Highway.Kings Highway has nowhere near the ability to terminate a service that Brighton Beach has. Ergo a whole route (maybe all of the (E) trains, cannot terminate there. They *CAN* do so at Church Street. ROAR |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Sep 18 08:27:43 2014, in response to Re: Culver Express, posted by Wallyhorse on Thu Sep 18 04:38:48 2014. Yes, it can be done at Church Avenue. But that would not be the "Culver" Express, that would be the "Gowanus Express"ROAR |
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Re: Rider's Wish List: (F) Brooklyn Express; Metro-North in Co-Op City; More rail service to Queens/ |
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Posted by rbseabeach on Thu Sep 18 09:33:52 2014, in response to Re: Rider's Wish List: (F) Brooklyn Express; Metro-North in Co-Op City; More rail service to Queens/, posted by Michael549 on Tue Sep 16 17:44:44 2014. As a resident of southern Brooklyn near the Brighton Line, this F express issue comes up all the time. The issue is magnified by the fact that there is a Brighton Express. I know many people that will travel further to the Brighton Line just to catch the express then use the much closer Culver local. There are MANY stops on the F south of Bergen Street to Coney Island. AFAIK, the residents calling for this service reside in Southern Brooklyn. Perhaps if there was no Brighton Express, it would not be an issue. But there is a Brighton Express. When you board an F train at say Coney Island and you look at all those stops clearly visible on FIND, it is depressing. |
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Re: Rider's Wish List: (F) Brooklyn Express; Metro-North in Co-Op City; More rail service to Queens/ |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Thu Sep 18 09:47:44 2014, in response to Re: Rider's Wish List: (F) Brooklyn Express; Metro-North in Co-Op City; More rail service to Queens/, posted by rbseabeach on Thu Sep 18 09:33:52 2014. The thing is that the people who have it the "worst," that is people who live in the vicinity of Kings Hwy or further south, have those nearby options (Sea Beach, Brighton, etc.) to use as an alternate. At Kings Hwy and Ave U, both the Sea Beach and the Brighton Lines are within a mile in either direction. (At some points, the Sea Beach is almost ridiculously close!) Anybody using the bus to the subway can easily choose one of those lines instead of the Culver, and that's a huge percentage of ridership.The Culver Line, thus, should not be orchestrated around those people, but for the folks further north who have greater need of the line. Those people should not lose service to benefit the southern section of Brooklyn. When you look at the subway map as a whole, you recognize how well-served that section of Brooklyn is by subways. There is no need to provide additional improvements, unless those improvements are taking place system-wide. If the residents of that area think of the F line not as a problem but as a bonus option, which perhaps can speed their journey to parts of northern Brooklyn not served by the Sea Beach or Brighton, or a quieter Manhattan service with greater seating availability at the expense of a few minutes, things make a whole lot more sense. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Sep 18 09:52:59 2014, in response to Re: Culver Express, posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Sep 18 08:22:58 2014. Due to the merge with the E in Queens, F service is already at capacity. |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Thu Sep 18 10:04:01 2014, in response to Re: Culver Express, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Sep 18 09:52:59 2014. Unless those Church Avenue put-ins went on to become E trains themselves. . .at West 4th St. |
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Re: Rider's Wish List: (F) Brooklyn Express; Metro-North in Co-Op City; More rail service to Queens/ |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Sep 18 10:11:40 2014, in response to Re: Rider's Wish List: (F) Brooklyn Express; Metro-North in Co-Op City; More rail service to Queens/, posted by rbseabeach on Thu Sep 18 09:33:52 2014. I just don't see them saving time doing all that.Even with an F express you save 5-7 minutes. The time savings on the Brighton Exp vs. local is 3-4 minutes. You still have to do the mileage. A train sits in most stations for less than 30 seconds. The F is subject to less congestion than the lines that go thru DeKalb. Don't get me started with the time savings of exp vs lcl. I've done it in the past. Plus passing up the local? How many times do you pass it? It's all in the head. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Sep 18 10:13:33 2014, in response to Re: Culver Express, posted by New Flyer #857 on Thu Sep 18 10:04:01 2014. Dispatching nightmare esp when the railroad goes bad. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Sep 18 10:22:04 2014, in response to Re: Culver Express, posted by Wallyhorse on Thu Sep 18 04:42:46 2014. "It is to benefit Brooklyn riders, including those at Coney Island (who would have a one-seat ride via 8th Avenue that is currently NOT an option for them) as well as those at Express stops and so forth."Too Bad, so sad. We are not in the business of providing a few one-seat rides. They do not have a one seat ride to Upper Broadway either. ROAR |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Thu Sep 18 12:50:54 2014, in response to Re: Culver Express, posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Sep 18 10:22:04 2014. I agree. It's not an airline. It's not like you lose half your day making a connection to another train (under ordinary circumstances). |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Sep 18 13:04:04 2014, in response to Re: Culver Express, posted by New Flyer #857 on Thu Sep 18 12:50:54 2014. Half a day???From here to there (DIK to ABE) is three planes and two hubs. It is an ALL day travel day. ROAR |
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Re: Rider's Wish List: (F) Brooklyn Express; Metro-North in Co-Op City; More rail service to Queens/ |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Sep 18 13:04:31 2014, in response to Re: Rider's Wish List: (F) Brooklyn Express; Metro-North in Co-Op City; More rail service to Queens/, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Sep 18 10:11:40 2014. Don't get me started with the time savings of exp vs lcl. I've done it in the past.My personal observations are that on busy lines a local costs much more than 30 seconds extra per stop. From 14th to 86th, the 4/5 express passes 6 stops. It saves way more than 3 minutes in rush hour. |
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Re: Rider's Wish List: (F) Brooklyn Express; Metro-North in Co-Op City; More rail service to Queens/ |
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Posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Thu Sep 18 13:59:21 2014, in response to Re: Rider's Wish List: (F) Brooklyn Express; Metro-North in Co-Op City; More rail service to Queens/, posted by rbseabeach on Thu Sep 18 09:33:52 2014. But would making the F trains that serve the Culver el stations go express between Church Ave and Jay St (while having trains that serve the in-between stations short-turn at Church) really put more people on those trains?The MTA's ridership figures show that the F line stations south of Church have relatively low ridership, compared to nearby stations on the Brighton Line, local and express. Yet (above Kings Highway), the F runs more frequently than either the B or the Q. The F also runs more frequently than the D or the N and those two lines have stations with higher ridership than the Culver el stations, especially on the D. Looking at the station figures kind of opened up my eyes to the situation of the F line compared to the other south Brooklyn routes. Perhaps these politicians should focus their attention on those other routes that have higher ridership, but less-frequent rush hour service. Perhaps they should be grateful the F stations from Kings Highway to Ditmas Ave get 14-15 tph, as opposed to busier D line stations like Bay Pkwy, 18th Ave and 79th St which have to make due with only 10 tph during the rush. |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Thu Sep 18 14:10:25 2014, in response to Re: Culver Express, posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Sep 18 13:04:04 2014. Ah, yes, but one stopover is half a day :) |
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Re: Rider's Wish List: (F) Brooklyn Express; Metro-North in Co-Op City; More rail service to Queens/ |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Thu Sep 18 14:18:46 2014, in response to Re: Rider's Wish List: (F) Brooklyn Express; Metro-North in Co-Op City; More rail service to Queens/, posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Thu Sep 18 13:59:21 2014. The excess F service south of Church Av is a result of having nowhere closer to the city for a relay. Church Av is not a well-functioning relay location. It's good enough for the G and maybe a little more.It's like the extension on weekday evenings of B service. You end up with more CPW local service and later hours for Brighton Express service, but it's likely MTA only wanted one of those (CPW or Brighton) and the other was just an accident. Yes, 4th Ave (and/or West End) should get an extra rush-hour local service (J or whatever) back before the F gets more service. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Thu Sep 18 14:51:17 2014, in response to Re: Rider's Wish List: (F) Brooklyn Express; Metro-North in Co-Op City; More rail service to Queens/, posted by New Flyer #857 on Thu Sep 18 09:47:44 2014. Now,That is a load of crock. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Thu Sep 18 15:04:35 2014, in response to Re: Rider's Wish List: (F) Brooklyn Express; Metro-North in Co-Op City; More rail service to Queens/, posted by New Flyer #857 on Thu Sep 18 14:18:46 2014. The A,E,F,D all turned at Church ave...along with GG services beginning 1937..all using the provision level meant to turn east. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Sep 18 15:05:03 2014, in response to Re: Rider's Wish List: (F) Brooklyn Express; Metro-North in Co-Op City; More rail service to Queens/, posted by AlM on Thu Sep 18 13:04:31 2014. Sure local stops in Manhattan has more dwell time due to people getting on and off but outside of there most either get on or off, not both.Time it! |
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Re: Rider's Wish List: (F) Brooklyn Express; Metro-North in Co-Op City; More rail service to Queens/ |
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Posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Thu Sep 18 15:13:50 2014, in response to Re: Rider's Wish List: (F) Brooklyn Express; Metro-North in Co-Op City; More rail service to Queens/, posted by New Flyer #857 on Thu Sep 18 14:18:46 2014. Agreed. I think Eric Adams and other Brooklyn pols should be focusing on extra 4th Ave/West End service before trying to get the MTA to impelement F express service between Church and Jay. Culver F riders are fortunate that their train is the same F train that goes to Queens Blvd, where 15 tph during the rush is a must.Church Ave not being a well-functioning relay may also be another good reason against an F express. There needs to be more local than express service between Church and Jay, and if Church can't relay F local + G service, then the F locals have to go somewhere else. Implementing an F Brooklyn Express really is a lot more complicated than it looks. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Sep 18 15:15:07 2014, in response to Re: Culver Express, posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Sep 18 10:22:04 2014. Murphy's Law. Congestion at Jay interlockings as trains destined for 8th Av. get there at the same time.Works good on paper. Plus too much service and congestion toward 8th Ave. A/C/E on one track. You would have to cut service along Fulton St. Brooklyn. |
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Re: Rider's Wish List: (F) Brooklyn Express; Metro-North in Co-Op City; More rail service to Queens/ |
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Posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Thu Sep 18 15:21:25 2014, in response to Re: Rider's Wish List: (F) Brooklyn Express; Metro-North in Co-Op City; More rail service to Queens/, posted by New Flyer #857 on Thu Sep 18 09:47:44 2014. At least F trains can drop out at Kings Highway. The stations south of KH have the lowest ridership of all the Brooklyn F stations. At least there, Transit can tailor the service according to ridership needs, but even then those stations probably get as much rush hour service as nearby N or Q stations. The stations south of KH definitely do not need 15 tph. |
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Re: Rider's Wish List: (F) Brooklyn Express; Metro-North in Co-Op City; More rail service to Queens/ |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Sep 18 15:31:54 2014, in response to Re: Rider's Wish List: (F) Brooklyn Express; Metro-North in Co-Op City; More rail service to Queens/, posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Thu Sep 18 13:59:21 2014. You can only have so much service on those old BMT routes due to merges north and south of DeKalb. |
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Posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Thu Sep 18 15:32:02 2014, in response to Re: Rider's Wish List: (F) Brooklyn Express; Metro-North in Co-Op City; More rail service to Queens/S.I., posted by JAzumah on Tue Sep 16 19:30:05 2014. Yes, quite possibly, especially given how merging lines on the subway get messed up all the time. But merges are necessary evil in the subway, especially on the B division lines.After combing through the ridership stats for the F line stations south of Church and comparing them to stations on the nearby B/Q, D and N lines, I think this is one potential merge we can do without, given the relatively small number of people who will benefit from it. |
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Posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Thu Sep 18 15:35:08 2014, in response to Re: Rider's Wish List: (F) Brooklyn Express; Metro-North in Co-Op City; More rail service to Queens/, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Sep 18 15:31:54 2014. Agreed, which is probably why we won't see service increases on the B, D or N anytime soon and any increase on rush hour Q train frequency when it's extended to 2nd Ave probably won't be a huge one. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Sep 18 15:39:23 2014, in response to Re: Rider's Wish List: (F) Brooklyn Express; Metro-North in Co-Op City; More rail service to Queens/, posted by Edwards! on Thu Sep 18 15:04:35 2014. Track configuation and lack of slow/restrictive signals made a relay move fast in those days.Today due to labor costs they don't have the luxury to double end trains (man on each end) + it was un-necessary to re-chargevthe R1/9 every time you changed direction. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Thu Sep 18 15:55:34 2014, in response to Re: Rider's Wish List: (F) Brooklyn Express; Metro-North in Co-Op City; More rail service to Queens/, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Sep 18 15:31:54 2014. Which would make plenty of sense to streamline services through it.Wasn't that the point of Chrystie st,the present service plan operations? Wouldn't make more sense to route all Brighton trains to Sixth ave,and Fourth avenue to Broadway.. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Thu Sep 18 15:55:36 2014, in response to Re: Rider's Wish List: (F) Brooklyn Express; Metro-North in Co-Op City; More rail service to Queens/, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Sep 18 15:31:54 2014. Which would make plenty of sense to streamline services through it.Wasn't that the point of Chrystie st,the present service plan operations? Wouldn't make more sense to route all Brighton trains to Sixth ave,and Fourth avenue to Broadway.. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Sep 18 16:04:54 2014, in response to Re: Culver Express, posted by New Flyer #857 on Thu Sep 18 14:10:25 2014. Actually, I PLAN for longer layovers. The small regional jet ALWAYS gates at a terminal far distant to the BIG PLANE GATE used for the MLP-DET Shuttles. Gives me time to eat, since they will not feed you on the planes anymore. Gives my baggage plenty of time to be shifted from one gate to the other. LIONS will not schlep carion between planes.ROAR |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Sep 18 16:06:33 2014, in response to Re: Rider's Wish List: (F) Brooklyn Express; Metro-North in Co-Op City; More rail service to Queens/, posted by Edwards! on Thu Sep 18 15:55:34 2014. Rider surveys showed that Brighton riders prefered Broadway vs. Sixth Ave. so they were accomodated. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Sep 18 16:08:41 2014, in response to Re: Culver Express, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Sep 18 15:15:07 2014. (A) and (E) would run via the Cranberry Tunnel(F) and (C) would run via the Rutgers Tunnel There would be no switching at Jay Street. ROAR |
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Re: Rider's Wish List: (F) Brooklyn Express; Metro-North in Co-Op City; More rail service to Queens/ |
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Posted by Edwards! on Thu Sep 18 16:10:49 2014, in response to Re: Rider's Wish List: (F) Brooklyn Express; Metro-North in Co-Op City; More rail service to Queens/, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Sep 18 16:06:33 2014. The TA would be happy to accommodate.The Q only ran from midtown to C.I...half of what the D used..half the equipment. |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Sep 18 16:11:53 2014, in response to Re: Rider's Wish List: (F) Brooklyn Express; Metro-North in Co-Op City; More rail service to Queens/, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Sep 18 16:06:33 2014. ???Isn't the point that both Brighton and 4th Ave riders have a mix of destinations, so you want to give them both access to both 6th Ave and Broadway? And on weekends when there isn't enough service to do that, I'd be surprised if there is a statistical significance to the difference in preferences of Brighton vs 4th Ave riders. In general, riders probably prefer Broadway to 6th on weekends, and 4th has 2 services so you can accommodate both, but Brighton only has one so you pick the more popular. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Sep 18 16:14:19 2014, in response to Re: Culver Express, posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Sep 18 16:08:41 2014. ok, crossing by W.4 th then. |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Sep 18 16:16:57 2014, in response to Re: Culver Express, posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Sep 18 08:25:59 2014. The station in Bkln is Church AVENUE, not Church Street which is in Manhattan. Don't make the same mistake that many of the news reporters do on the radio. |
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Posted by Michael549 on Thu Sep 18 16:17:24 2014, in response to Re: Culver Express, posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Sep 18 08:22:58 2014. I know that I can be "long winded" in my responses.By the tracks, the Kings Highway station is and remains a very versatile station, even though it is missing (had removed) a vital switch that allowed Manhattan-bound trains from Coney Island to be switched to the center-middle express track. (The Coney Island bound side of the station remains as capable as it ever was!) By the tracks, the entire F-train line from Jay Street to Coney Island, including the G-train section, is a versatile arrangement of tracks, switches, platforms and stations. The versatility of the entire line (Jay Street to/from Coney Island) allows a variety of configurations and operations. Now whether those features are used day to day, or should be used - is a whole other question, and that is what is being debated. To say that the Kings Highway station on the F-line, does not terminate and relay local trains - is just plain wrong, especially when that very operation has been done for days, months, weeks and years on end. Kings Highway local trains have been terminating there for years! If in some weird world the entire F-line (Jay Street to/from Coney Island) was reduced stem-to-stern to a 2-track all local station line with a few diamond switches between the tracks, and a couple of pocket turn-back tracks - we would not be having this debate! The capability and versatility of the entire line (Jay Street to/from Coney Island) is a blessing. It is the decisions to use, or not use, or how to use those features that is what this debate is about. The debate is also about "the best fit of services" in relation to passenger needs, what is decided can or can not be provided, etc. Mike |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Sep 18 16:37:38 2014, in response to Re: Culver Express, posted by randyo on Thu Sep 18 16:16:57 2014. Ha, but he's right. E trains can and do terminate at Church Street, even though that's not what he meant. :) |
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Re: Rider's Wish List: (F) Brooklyn Express; Metro-North in Co-Op City; More rail service to Queens/ |
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Posted by 3-9 on Thu Sep 18 17:04:11 2014, in response to Re: Rider's Wish List: (F) Brooklyn Express; Metro-North in Co-Op City; More rail service to Queens/, posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Thu Sep 18 15:13:50 2014. Culver F riders are fortunate that their train is the same F train that goes to Queens Blvd, where 15 tph during the rush is a must.If the Culver (esp. lower Culver) is being over-served, perhaps it's to time to consider swapping it with the Sea Beach or Brighton? |
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Re: Rider's Wish List: (F) Brooklyn Express; Metro-North in Co-Op City; More rail service to Queens/ |
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Posted by 3-9 on Thu Sep 18 17:04:48 2014, in response to Re: Rider's Wish List: (F) Brooklyn Express; Metro-North in Co-Op City; More rail service to Queens/, posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Thu Sep 18 15:13:50 2014. Sorry, I meant West End or Brighton. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Thu Sep 18 17:22:46 2014, in response to Re: Rider's Wish List: (F) Brooklyn Express; Metro-North in Co-Op City; More rail service to Queens/, posted by 3-9 on Thu Sep 18 17:04:11 2014. You know,I have thought about that.It would be easy now since the F uses 63rd st,routed down the express to Manhattan Bridge,to the Brighton Exp. E trains Could possibly take over the Houston st Culver route,with B and M trains handling Sixth Ave local service. |
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Re: Rider's Wish List: (F) Brooklyn Express; Metro-North in Co-Op City; More rail service to Queens/ |
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Posted by Edwards! on Thu Sep 18 17:30:28 2014, in response to Re: Rider's Wish List: (F) Brooklyn Express; Metro-North in Co-Op City; More rail service to Queens/, posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Thu Sep 18 15:13:50 2014. It wasn't complicated at all...Its only complicated if PEOPLE make a relatively simple thing such as it is Into something its not,due to THEIR DESIRE not to see such a service come to light. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Thu Sep 18 17:44:07 2014, in response to Re: Rider's Wish List: (F) Brooklyn Express; Metro-North in Co-Op City; More rail service to Queens/, posted by Edwards! on Thu Sep 18 17:22:46 2014. Maybe not the E, because it's really frequent. But maybe (to borrow from Wallyhorse) the C to Church Ave? IIRC, the B, M, and C are not that frequent, so they have a better chance of squeezing through Bway Lafayette. Unfortunately, the other problem is how to get the B to and from the local tracks without colliding with the F on the upper part of 6th Ave. |
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Re: Rider's Wish List: (F) Brooklyn Express; Metro-North in Co-Op City; More rail service to Queens/ |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Thu Sep 18 18:40:55 2014, in response to Re: Rider's Wish List: (F) Brooklyn Express; Metro-North in Co-Op City; More rail service to Queens/, posted by Edwards! on Thu Sep 18 17:22:46 2014. The Brighton Express does not need 15 TPH. I doubt the Sea Beach needs that much either.Part of the need for the 15 TPH on the F is the Lower East Side stations and the Carroll Gardens stations. It's not just all about Queens Blvd, although that's a big part of it. It's not like those F trains are all empty going through the Rutgers tube. |
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Re: Rider's Wish List: (F) Brooklyn Express; Metro-North in Co-Op City; More rail service to Queens/ |
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Posted by Edwards! on Thu Sep 18 18:44:44 2014, in response to Re: Rider's Wish List: (F) Brooklyn Express; Metro-North in Co-Op City; More rail service to Queens/, posted by 3-9 on Thu Sep 18 17:44:07 2014. Could solve that by making the M 24/7 line...dropping the B all together |
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Re: Rider's Wish List: (F) Brooklyn Express; Metro-North in Co-Op City; More rail service to Queens/ |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Thu Sep 18 18:45:27 2014, in response to Re: Rider's Wish List: (F) Brooklyn Express; Metro-North in Co-Op City; More rail service to Queens/, posted by Edwards! on Thu Sep 18 17:30:28 2014. I personally would very much enjoy a Culver Express. I do not live in Carroll Gardens, nor do I regularly use any of the local stations that would be skipped by it. But I know the ridership patterns and have seen the different crowding levels on the F train by location.An F Brooklyn Express is possible, but instituting it would not be cost-neutral; that's all. If there is ever more money floating around, it should first go to helping out 4th Ave's local service (even if only a Nassau St special to 9th Ave, West End), and then I would try to do something for Culver / Gowanus on the F. |
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Posted by Nilet on Thu Sep 18 18:47:22 2014, in response to Re: Culver Express, posted by Michael549 on Thu Sep 18 01:28:28 2014. From the last track map I saw (made within the last few years), it's quite possible to have Kings Highway local/Coney Island express service.In the AM, northbound Coney Island trains switch to the middle track before Kings Highway. Kings Highway trains terminate on the southbound track and then relay south of the station. It works at Parkchester; why not here? |
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Re: Rider's Wish List: (F) Brooklyn Express; Metro-North in Co-Op City; More rail service to Queens/S.I. |
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Posted by Gene B. on Thu Sep 18 18:56:03 2014, in response to Re: Rider's Wish List: (F) Brooklyn Express; Metro-North in Co-Op City; More rail service to Queens/S.I., posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Thu Sep 18 15:32:02 2014. Maybe the lack of express service on the Culver line is the reason why riders choose the Brighton stations over the Culver stations. |
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Re: Rider's Wish List: (F) Brooklyn Express; Metro-North in Co-Op City; More rail service to Queens/S.I. |
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Posted by FtGreeneG on Thu Sep 18 19:27:20 2014, in response to Re: Rider's Wish List: (F) Brooklyn Express; Metro-North in Co-Op City; More rail service to Queens/S.I., posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Tue Sep 16 13:28:26 2014. The 6th ave local is pretty tight now with the F and M. It would be a madhouse with a 3rd line thrown in the mix |
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