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Posted by r17-6599 on Mon Sep 1 22:12:59 2014 Publicity pic of the "GoodBye" train, east 180th. Rained like heck.jrc 
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Posted by VictorM on Mon Sep 1 22:52:21 2014, in response to Last LoV 1964 (was 5466), posted by r17-6599 on Mon Sep 1 22:12:59 2014. Didn't some of those cars continue to run on the 3rd Av el in the Bronx after 1964, or were they other types? |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Sep 1 23:14:31 2014, in response to Re: Last LoV 1964 (was 5466), posted by VictorM on Mon Sep 1 22:52:21 2014. 5466 did.
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Posted by Nilet on Tue Sep 2 00:24:44 2014, in response to Last LoV 1964 (was 5466), posted by r17-6599 on Mon Sep 1 22:12:59 2014. I love when the weather cooperates with the mood. |
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Posted by murray1575 on Tue Sep 2 05:28:15 2014, in response to Re: Last LoV 1964 (was 5466), posted by VictorM on Mon Sep 1 22:52:21 2014. The cars used on the 3rd Avenue Elevated after the Q cars were returned to the BMT and the MUDC cars were scrapped were Steinway cars (some Worlds Fair 1938 cars and some standard bodied cars). In service on the Flushing line they ran in trains of all motor cars but on the El they were used in five car sets with the middle car a standard Lo-V trailer. The difference was the motors and the gearing. The Steinway cars had a lower top speed since they were designed to negotiate the steep grades of the Steinway tunnels which were steeper than those of the tunnels on other IRT lines. The Steinway cars were scrapped in the late 1960's and replaced by modified R-12 cars which served the line until 1973 when it was torn down. |
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Posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Tue Sep 2 08:08:50 2014, in response to Re: Last LoV 1964 (was 5466), posted by VictorM on Mon Sep 1 22:52:21 2014. Didn't some of those cars continue to run on the 3rd Av el in the Bronx after 1964, or were they other types?Victor: In typical sub-chat fashion I am going to say that the answer to your question is no and yes. The farewell train consisted of all Lo-V Low Voltage Motors, no Steinways. Five Lo-VM's were set aside for rehabilitation as the museum train. This train (5292,5290,5443,5466,5483) . This train made various fan trips around the system over the next few years. Service on the 3rd Avenue El at the time was provided by Steinway Motors, World's Fair Steinway Motors and Lo-V Trailers. At some point in 1968 (I would like to say April but I do not have the exact date.) the five museum Lo-V Motors were assigned to the el due to the Steinway Motors aging out. They remained here until all the pre-war cars were pulled from service in November 1969. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by chud1 on Tue Sep 2 09:39:32 2014, in response to Last LoV 1964 (was 5466), posted by r17-6599 on Mon Sep 1 22:12:59 2014. 5 drooling stars out of 5 drooling stars for this picture.chud1. :).... |
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Posted by snarf368 on Tue Sep 2 10:45:41 2014, in response to Last LoV 1964 (was 5466), posted by r17-6599 on Mon Sep 1 22:12:59 2014. Great pic! Like present day, back then you also had people that couldn't spell making signs. |
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Posted by 5119 on Tue Sep 2 21:26:48 2014, in response to Re: Last LoV 1964 (was 5466), posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Tue Sep 2 08:08:50 2014. IT was April of 1968. |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Wed Sep 3 07:26:46 2014, in response to Re: Last LoV 1964 (was 5466), posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Tue Sep 2 08:08:50 2014. Thank you for posting the truth. |
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Posted by MR RT on Wed Sep 3 07:53:35 2014, in response to Re: Last LoV 1964 (was 5466), posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Tue Sep 2 08:08:50 2014. Then the TA decided to scrapp them.The folks at Branford picked one ... 5466 Then at the last minute the RPC group grabbed the other four. Now the TA rents them. |
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Posted by Lou from Brooklyn on Wed Sep 3 08:20:29 2014, in response to Re: Last LoV 1964 (was 5466), posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Sep 1 23:14:31 2014. And 5466 will have something special this October 2014. Plans are afoot or a rail if you will so plan some time to come up to BERA in October. |
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Posted by VictorM on Wed Sep 3 13:09:35 2014, in response to Re: Last LoV 1964 (was 5466), posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Tue Sep 2 08:08:50 2014. Thanks for the info. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Sep 3 17:04:44 2014, in response to Re: Last LoV 1964 (was 5466), posted by Lou from Brooklyn on Wed Sep 3 08:20:29 2014. Cool! Hopefully I'll be able to get down there. :) |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Wed Sep 3 20:26:44 2014, in response to Last LoV 1964 (was 5466), posted by r17-6599 on Mon Sep 1 22:12:59 2014. What were the last Lo-V cars numbers on the BG/SF shuttle? |
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Posted by r17-6599 on Wed Sep 3 21:19:19 2014, in response to Re: Last LoV 1964 (was 5466), posted by Elkeeper on Wed Sep 3 20:26:44 2014. Couldn't say. But I was told they may have been actually standard Steinways.How' bout you; do you have any info? r17 |
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Posted by Express Rider on Thu Sep 4 03:02:37 2014, in response to Re: Last LoV 1964 (was 5466), posted by MR RT on Wed Sep 3 07:53:35 2014. Couldn't trust the Tea-Eh.... an R9 was scrapped that was supposed to have been preserved wassn't it?And the often repeated story of how the 5 car lo-v trainset was supposed ot have been saved from the scrapper in the first place - it was layed up, or "hidden" by a TA employee/ railfan, in one of the inner tunnels still with tackage (former NYW&B express tracks) on the Dyre Ave Line. |
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Posted by Express Rider on Thu Sep 4 03:04:50 2014, in response to Re: Last LoV 1964 (was 5466), posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Tue Sep 2 08:08:50 2014. As always thank you for posting this historic info.... maybe you can publish a complete book of last runs someday? (on line, or "dinosaur" hard copy). |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Sep 4 06:17:26 2014, in response to Last LoV 1964 (was 5466), posted by r17-6599 on Mon Sep 1 22:12:59 2014. That's the second misspelling of that word I've seen in photographs. The last SEMTA train had a sign on the locomotive saying "By Old Friend". |
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Posted by MR RT on Thu Sep 4 07:11:42 2014, in response to Re: Last LoV 1964 (was 5466), posted by Express Rider on Thu Sep 4 03:02:37 2014. Same deal with the Hi-V ... TA restored 3662 for 75th anniversity, then decided to scrap it. So BERA grabbed it.Recently a number of Slant 40s were hidden in plain sight, i.e. as school cars. |
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Posted by Lou from Brooklyn on Thu Sep 4 07:56:19 2014, in response to Re: Last LoV 1964 (was 5466), posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Sep 3 17:04:44 2014. Might not do it now, forgot about Rutgers show... |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Sep 4 14:08:57 2014, in response to Re: Last LoV 1964 (was 5466), posted by r17-6599 on Wed Sep 3 21:19:19 2014. They weren't Steinways b standard low numbered Lo-Vs in the 4500 series although I don't have the exact numbers. They had modified door controls that allowed for selective operation of the doors so that only the center door opened at So/Fy and all doors opened at Bwlg Grn When the Lo-Vs were retired a small dedicated fleet of R-12s was similarly equipped. In earlier days, I recall seeing a 2 car train of deck roof Hi-Vs on the shuttle since with their manual doors, they could have only the center door opened at So?Fy and all doors opened at Bwlg Grn. |
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Posted by Mark S. Feinman on Thu Sep 4 14:45:55 2014, in response to Re: Last LoV 1964 (was 5466), posted by MR RT on Thu Sep 4 07:11:42 2014. The story of the hidden trains has always fascinated me.--Mark |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Sep 5 22:22:59 2014, in response to Re: Last LoV 1964 (was 5466), posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Sep 3 17:04:44 2014. 1689 is waiting for you.:) |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Sep 5 22:24:55 2014, in response to Re: Last LoV 1964 (was 5466), posted by murray1575 on Tue Sep 2 05:28:15 2014. IIRC standard Lo-Vs (Baldwins) could negotiate the grades of the Steinway tubes as long as they ran in solid trains of motor cars. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Sep 5 22:28:10 2014, in response to Re: Last LoV 1964 (was 5466), posted by Express Rider on Thu Sep 4 03:02:37 2014. Yeah, 1208 was scrapped out of spite. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Sep 5 22:29:43 2014, in response to Re: Last LoV 1964 (was 5466), posted by MR RT on Thu Sep 4 07:11:42 2014. 3662 and Gibbs 3352 are the only two surviving Hi-Vs. 3352 may very well be the oldest surviving all-steel passenger railcar of any king in the world. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Sep 5 22:32:47 2014, in response to Re: Last LoV 1964 (was 5466), posted by randyo on Thu Sep 4 14:08:57 2014. It's interesting that the deck roof cars didn't fish belly sills. Was it determined that their bodies were sturdy enough to allow the addition of center doors without compromising structural integrity? |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Sep 5 22:33:54 2014, in response to Re: Last LoV 1964 (was 5466), posted by Olog-hai on Thu Sep 4 06:17:26 2014. I've seen it spelled, "good-by". It's short for, "God be with you." |
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Posted by TheHat on Sat Sep 6 11:57:32 2014, in response to Last LoV 1964 (was 5466), posted by r17-6599 on Mon Sep 1 22:12:59 2014. Nice to see. |
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Posted by TUNNELRAT on Sat Sep 6 15:56:51 2014, in response to Last LoV 1964 (was 5466), posted by r17-6599 on Mon Sep 1 22:12:59 2014. too bad the ERA never had a fan trip south of E180ST.TO the nhrr interchange at E174st. |
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Posted by randyo on Sat Sep 6 21:06:37 2014, in response to Re: Last LoV 1964 (was 5466), posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Sep 5 22:32:47 2014. Unlike the Gibbs cars, the deck roofers were specifically designed with a provision to add a center door although it seems that the IRT found that the fishbelly was necessary anyhow since later standard body IRT cars had them. |
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Posted by r17-6599 on Sat Sep 6 23:19:21 2014, in response to Re: Last LoV 1964 (was 5466), posted by randyo on Sat Sep 6 21:06:37 2014. Which makes me ask why, regarding fish bellies, did some R 1-9's not have them?jrc |
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Posted by randyo on Sun Sep 7 02:03:14 2014, in response to Re: Last LoV 1964 (was 5466), posted by r17-6599 on Sat Sep 6 23:19:21 2014. The R-1/9s were designed for multiple doors so did not need them. My guess is that they were mostly decorative since while the postwar IND/BMT cars had them, none of the IRT R types did. They eventually disappeared with the R-42s. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Sep 7 02:10:38 2014, in response to Re: Last LoV 1964 (was 5466), posted by randyo on Sun Sep 7 02:03:14 2014. Not absolutely sure, but I remember hearing something when I asked one of the C&S guys about 103 and they had stated that they were concerned about corner cracks and so later cars had them just to ensure structural integrity. Strange though that they never retrofitted the earlier car order. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Sep 7 08:36:46 2014, in response to Re: Last LoV 1964 (was 5466), posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Sep 7 02:10:38 2014. Only R-1s 100-144 didn't have sills beneath their doors. The other cars in the R-1 order had quasi-sills (look closely at 381), and the R-4s and up had sills (not to mention grab indents on the doors). |
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Posted by r17-6599 on Sun Sep 7 09:34:48 2014, in response to Re: Last LoV 1964 (was 5466), posted by TheHat on Sat Sep 6 11:57:32 2014. Indeed; wish to see them again. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Sep 7 17:24:27 2014, in response to Re: Last LoV 1964 (was 5466), posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Sep 7 08:36:46 2014. I was kinda surprised that none of those cars were reworked. |
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Posted by MR RT on Mon Sep 8 08:11:39 2014, in response to Re: Last LoV 1964 (was 5466), posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Sep 5 22:29:43 2014. Both have the posibility of moving again under their own power (BERA & Seashore) |
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