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Small western towns to lose Amtrak service if states can't pay up |
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Posted by Dave on Mon Apr 21 16:59:34 2014 End of the line? |
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Re: Small western towns to lose Amtrak service if states can't pay up |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Apr 21 17:09:06 2014, in response to Small western towns to lose Amtrak service if states can't pay up, posted by Dave on Mon Apr 21 16:59:34 2014. Well ... that IS what congress has been demanding ... |
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Re: Small western towns to lose Amtrak service if states can't pay up |
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Posted by italianstallion on Mon Apr 21 17:55:04 2014, in response to Small western towns to lose Amtrak service if states can't pay up, posted by Dave on Mon Apr 21 16:59:34 2014. FoxNews supporting Amtrak service? The mind boggles. |
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Re: Small western towns to lose Amtrak service if states can't pay up |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Apr 21 18:10:24 2014, in response to Small western towns to lose Amtrak service if states can't pay up, posted by Dave on Mon Apr 21 16:59:34 2014. Not shovel ready? |
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Re: Small western towns to lose Amtrak service if states can't pay up |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Mon Apr 21 18:56:17 2014, in response to Small western towns to lose Amtrak service if states can't pay up, posted by Dave on Mon Apr 21 16:59:34 2014. As much of a railfan that I am, I really hate saying thing this, but Amtrak has been an abysmal failure. |
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Re: Small western towns to lose Amtrak service if states can't pay up |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Apr 21 19:09:15 2014, in response to Re: Small western towns to lose Amtrak service if states can't pay up, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Mon Apr 21 18:56:17 2014. Failure at what ? You expect 100% farebox recovery ? |
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Re: Small western towns to lose Amtrak service if states can't pay up |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Mon Apr 21 19:35:49 2014, in response to Re: Small western towns to lose Amtrak service if states can't pay up, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Mon Apr 21 18:56:17 2014. ..? It was bad for a while, but right now it's doing better than it ever has, with no signs of slowing down. During the government shutdown, Amtrak said it would be able to cover 74% of service without federal funding.Were Amtrak not created, we wouldn't even have a shell of a national rail system today. The west and east costs would have their corridor routes, along with some random midwest ones funded by the states, and that's *it*. |
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Re: Small western towns to lose Amtrak service if states can't pay up |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Mon Apr 21 19:38:15 2014, in response to Re: Small western towns to lose Amtrak service if states can't pay up, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Mon Apr 21 18:56:17 2014. ..? It was bad for a while, but right now it's doing better than it ever has, with no signs of slowing down. During the government shutdown, Amtrak said it would be able to cover 74% of service without federal funding.Were Amtrak not created, we wouldn't even have a shell of a national rail system today. The west and east coasts would have their corridor routes, along with some random midwest ones funded by the states, and that's *it*. Amtrak "kept the lights on" many unprofitable routes, and now they are selling out trains over those routes. |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Mon Apr 21 21:12:30 2014, in response to Re: Small western towns to lose Amtrak service if states can't pay up, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Mon Apr 21 18:56:17 2014. Was it ever supposed to make money? I don't think so. If that's the case, then what exactly has it been a failure at? It would certainly be nice of there were ways of making it less of a money loser. |
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Posted by chud1 on Tue Apr 22 04:33:51 2014, in response to Re: Small western towns to lose Amtrak service if states can't pay up, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Mon Apr 21 18:56:17 2014. IAWTP.chud1. :).... |
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Posted by R30A on Tue Apr 22 11:26:55 2014, in response to Re: Small western towns to lose Amtrak service if states can't pay up, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Mon Apr 21 18:56:17 2014. I fail to see how thriving through starvation can be considered failure in any way. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Apr 22 13:43:53 2014, in response to Re: Small western towns to lose Amtrak service if states can't pay up, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Mon Apr 21 19:38:15 2014. Were Amtrak not created, we wouldn't even have a shell of a national rail system todayPresumptuous reasoning. The regulations and taxation along with the federal government competing against rail with other modes is what led to Amtrak's creation. Much of the deregulation that occurred (extremely belatedly) under the Staggers Act could have forestalled the creation of Amtrak and reversed the abandonment of passenger service by private companies, and even forestalled the utterly-unnecessary creation of Conrail. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Apr 22 13:44:44 2014, in response to Re: Small western towns to lose Amtrak service if states can't pay up, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Mon Apr 21 18:56:17 2014. Not really; it's only as much of a "failure" as any government-run "business" ever is. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Apr 22 13:55:28 2014, in response to Re: Small western towns to lose Amtrak service if states can't pay up, posted by chud1 on Tue Apr 22 04:33:51 2014. Define "failure". By that yardstick, all commuter railroads are "failures" after all. |
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Posted by fdtutf on Tue Apr 22 14:21:01 2014, in response to Re: Small western towns to lose Amtrak service if states can't pay up, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Apr 22 13:43:53 2014. In exactly what economic and financial environment would this reversal of the abandonment of passenger service have happened? It must be a fictional one in your head, because it certainly would not have happened in the 1970s (assuming deregulation had happened then, instead of Amtrak being created). |
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Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Tue Apr 22 15:23:49 2014, in response to Re: Small western towns to lose Amtrak service if states can't pay up, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Mon Apr 21 18:56:17 2014. but Amtrak has been an abysmal failureCause, you know, CTA is profitable. :-) |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Tue Apr 22 15:47:42 2014, in response to Re: Small western towns to lose Amtrak service if states can't pay up, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Tue Apr 22 15:23:49 2014. Well, Amtrak is the worst of paradoxes. It purveys completely inconsistent service on an inadequate set of routes while being starved of funding, sabotaged by the RRs and pilloried by Teabaggers.I still find riding passenger trains a pleasure even though I am old enough to remember truly first class operations like the Q, ACL, SAL, NP, WP, GN, and ATSF. While I also once rode the real Broadway Ltd when it was still a serious train, my following trips were after the PC downgrades and then the Amtrak versions none of which deserved the name. |
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Posted by Dan Lawrence on Tue Apr 22 17:33:34 2014, in response to Re: Small western towns to lose Amtrak service if states can't pay up, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Apr 21 17:09:06 2014. Congress as a whole or the Tea Party? |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Tue Apr 22 17:51:43 2014, in response to Re: Small western towns to lose Amtrak service if states can't pay up, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Apr 22 13:43:53 2014. I completely agree with your second sentence. However, the deregulation was too late - if Amtrak hadn't come about, the current state of affairs would be far worse. |
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