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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Aug 18 16:24:57 2005, in response to Official IND photo of 76th Street Re: posting, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Aug 18 14:58:07 2005. Ooooohhhhhhhhhhh, please...... |
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Re: 76th Street (Was: Re: posting) |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Aug 18 16:38:13 2005, in response to Re: 76th Street (Was: Re: posting), posted by Teddmann on Thu Aug 18 15:35:22 2005. You have to ask yourself one thing...if some say there's nothing behind those walls...then *why* build the walls in the first place? HUH? LION thinks you need to go back to thinking school. Look at ANY Tunnel at the end of any line. What do you find there? A WALL. (Well except at Times Square on the (7). There is no wall there. It really does go across the river, under New Jersey, and comes out on the other side of the world. Right at the Great WALL of China! |
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Re: 76th Street (Was: Re: posting) |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Aug 18 16:41:40 2005, in response to Re: 76th Street (Was: Re: posting), posted by Richard Rabinowitz on Thu Aug 18 15:56:42 2005. Well, putting the YARD in the way certainly spoiled the fun, eh? NOPE. You do not know the track layout. The PITKIN LINE was a Four Track line and was planned to continue as such all the way to Cross Bay Blvd. Leaving Euclid and turning to the south one enters the Pitkin Yard. Leaving Euclid and turning to the north one enters the Liberty Avenue El. The tunnel in question goes on straight ahead where the train would have and should have gone but the city turned cheap on us and did something else. Cheep. |
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Re: 76th Street (Was: Re: posting) |
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Posted by Richard Rabinowitz on Thu Aug 18 16:52:36 2005, in response to Re: 76th Street (Was: Re: posting), posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Aug 18 16:38:13 2005. What, no stop in Honolulu? :) |
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Re: 76th Street (Was: Re: posting) |
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Posted by Richard Rabinowitz on Thu Aug 18 16:53:55 2005, in response to Re: 76th Street (Was: Re: posting), posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Aug 18 16:41:40 2005. What DID the city do? |
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Re: Official IND photo of 76th Street Re: posting |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Aug 18 17:01:31 2005, in response to Re: Official IND photo of 76th Street Re: posting, posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Thu Aug 18 15:24:18 2005. Why? What are you implying!I can guarantee that EVERY inch of that "6" is authentic subway tile, untouched in it's entirety within that number. |
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Re: 76th Street (Was: Re: posting) |
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Posted by tunnel rat on Thu Aug 18 17:04:49 2005, in response to Re: 76th Street (Was: Re: posting), posted by Douce Man on Thu Aug 18 12:43:59 2005. douce man you are wrong.I just rode a 6 car train of red birds pulling two r9,s that were picked up from the transit musuem to be taken to 207st yard.I was walking the cat walk from pitkin yard to euclid ave.when they were going into the yard.they stopped at yhe homeball to get permission to enter the yard into the shed.since I know both motormen Iwent along for a ride.the redbirds pushed the r9,s to the 2nd el. station on liberty ave.reversing ends again,the redbirds towed the r,9s to nostrand ave. where Iasked them to let me off. shepard ave. van siclen ave. and liberty ave.were all blue,not purple.I went into euclid tower and told everybody that was there that beyound the 4 layup tracks below the grant ave. station the tunnels extend to 79st. and pitkin ave.with 2 local stations built,roughed out with blue tiles on the wall.as told to me by 2 cops who I worked with in the 75pct,bklyn. they were in there about 1978.one of the cops was a former transit cop who had been in the station before.he got the structure door key from the yard master and entered thru tracksa7 a8.this door has long since been removed.as he described what was behind the cinder block is as follows.i walked the roadbed for a distance,it ended before the s/b platform.getting on the platform i went to the center entrance no token booth or turnstiles.but there were staircases going to the street,cemented over ,no handrails.on the roadbed there were no tracks signals or lights of any kind.type two subway construction.the tunnels extend beyound both ends of the station. this cop is also a buff. he is president of the long island chapter of the NHRR.with a little searching,you should be able to find him.he will verify what I said. Iwas also inside the signal relay room.on the wall is the original signal drawings dated 1948 showing all the signals.it showed the concrete wall beyound grant and pitkin.it shows where signals were to to be placed beyound the wall to be installed at a later date.they were to be controlled by the 76st.tower.tunnelrat |
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Re: 76th Street (Was: Re: posting) |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Aug 18 17:06:20 2005, in response to Re: 76th Street (Was: Re: posting), posted by Teddmann on Thu Aug 18 15:35:22 2005. No conrete walls = landsliding dirt into tunnel.Summary: Tunnel must be lined with concrete, thus walls. |
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Re: 76th Street (Was: Re: posting) |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Aug 18 17:24:21 2005, in response to Re: 76th Street (Was: Re: posting), posted by Richard Rabinowitz on Thu Aug 18 15:01:16 2005. Please stop. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Aug 18 17:26:55 2005, in response to Re: 76th Street (Was: Re: posting), posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Aug 18 17:06:20 2005. No, cinder blocks make fine retaining walls if built with "footers" ... *I* was told that there was a cinder block wall "back there" with dirt behind it. As to what specifically is back there, is anybody's guess. But there's fill, and then there's a bit of space not suitable for 8/10 cars past the cinder blocks on the outside of the tunnel.Should be quite interesting if there's any PROFF. :) |
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Re: 76th Street (Was: Re: posting) |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Aug 18 17:26:58 2005, in response to Re: 76th Street (Was: Re: posting), posted by Richard Rabinowitz on Thu Aug 18 15:58:22 2005. Read the entire thread before posting a million questions. |
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Re: 76th Street (Was: Re: posting) |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Aug 18 17:27:19 2005, in response to Re: 76th Street (Was: Re: posting), posted by Richard Rabinowitz on Thu Aug 18 15:01:16 2005. Richard, no one is denying that the line WAS IN FACT supposed to continue straight past Euclid with a four track line, and in FACT the next station after Euclid was to be called "76th Street". There is no controversy there. The controversy is whether or not they actually got to built that station there or not - not whether it was planned (we all know it WAS planned).The part that makes it a slight possibility that it was built was that the tunnel was actually built during the depression, and before the United States got involved in WWII. The station shells for Liberty Ave, Van Siclen, Shephard, and Euclid Ave were all built (and perhaps 76th Street). Then once the United States got involved in WWII, construction stopped. By 1936, the line was only completed to Rockaway Ave, just short of Broadway Junction, however the tunneling was done all the way to "just past Euclid", ant that included the station shells for Broadway Junction to Euclid (and perhaps 76th St). Wartime restrictions made them hault putting in the finishing touches, such as rails and signalling, materials that would not become available until after the war. Finally, the line was opened to East New York-Bway Junction in 1946, and to Euclid by 1948 (twelve years after when the original tunnel was built, and then haulted). That's where the missing link comes in. I don't want to imply 76th St does exist, however, if a forgotten station can exist, all the conditions can be seen here. Between the actually construction of the tunnel and station shells, the confusion of WWII, all the changes to the IND planned Second System, when the line was finally opened up to Euclid Ave in 1948, many years after the original construction was finished, and many years after the original plans for the Fulton line were originally made, it was a totally different climate that line opened under. So in summary. There is NO controversy that there was a planned subway station for 76th St, the controversy is only whether it was actually built. Look at these maps of the IND Second System lines. http://www.subchat.com/read.asp?Id=124546 One of them (I don't recall if it's the original one or the updated one) shos how the Fulton Line was supposed to continue straight to 76th ST, and also to Grant Ave. The line was meant to go straight, but we could actually blame Hitler for it not going through, as after WWII, everything changed. |
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Re: 76th Street (Was: Re: posting) |
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Posted by monorail on Thu Aug 18 17:29:27 2005, in response to Re: 76th Street (Was: Re: posting), posted by tunnel rat on Thu Aug 18 17:04:49 2005. heard the same storya while back from someone else |
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Posted by Richard Rabinowitz on Thu Aug 18 17:35:57 2005, in response to Re: 76th Street (Was: Re: posting), posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Aug 18 17:27:19 2005. Oh! The site's in Brooklyn! And all the while I was looking in the wrong borough, Manhattan. Silly me. :) |
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Re: 76th Street (Was: Re: posting) |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Aug 18 17:37:05 2005, in response to Re: 76th Street (Was: Re: posting), posted by Richard Rabinowitz on Thu Aug 18 17:35:57 2005. What are you talking about? |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Aug 18 17:37:07 2005, in response to Re: 76th Street (Was: Re: posting), posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Aug 18 17:26:55 2005. Actually, cinder blocks are easier removed if they needed to. Again, it's not that they weren't PLANNING to build further, the controversy is whether they actually did or not. A ciner block wall could mean two things:-They are blocking "something" off. -They need to put a wall there for future expansion, which was planned. Neither proves that the 76th ST exists, or doesn't exist...it just proves that it "could" exist or that they just put it up "for when they do build further". - But that brings us right back in a circle, maybe it's there, maybe it's not. |
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Re: 76th Street (Was: Re: posting) |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Aug 18 17:41:00 2005, in response to Re: 76th Street (Was: Re: posting), posted by Richard Rabinowitz on Thu Aug 18 17:35:57 2005. No, it's in Queens, but just over the Brooklyn Border into Queens. |
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Re: 76th Street (Was: Re: posting) |
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Posted by Richard Rabinowitz on Thu Aug 18 17:43:14 2005, in response to Re: 76th Street (Was: Re: posting), posted by Richard Rabinowitz on Thu Aug 18 17:35:57 2005. The issue is, I knew Manhattan streets are numbered, up to and past 76 (into at least the 140s and possibly higher). I never thought to look at Brooklyn streets until someone mentioned "Pitkin Ave", in which case I knew something was amiss if the place were to be Manhattan. So now I didn't know which borough to look in. Then someone mentioned "Fulton St.", so I looked it up in the 2nd System map that he linked me to. Sure enough, the line led to "Pitkin Ave." in Brooklyn, more or less, to the right. |
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Re: 76th Street (Was: Re: posting) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Aug 18 17:49:10 2005, in response to Re: 76th Street (Was: Re: posting), posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Aug 18 17:37:07 2005. Yep, and for the "record," what *I* heard from a now-deceased retiree who worked the line (and did TOO much yard duty) is that they did build it quite a ways deep, but didn't install anything really useful for turning WHOLE trains - but there was third rail that went back 6 cars or so on ONE track, and the other tracks laid were MUCH shorter, and one of the four tracks ended just a few feet inside the portal and that switches DID exist and were used.He also said that at the far back of the tunnel, where another set of cement blocks were located, had dirt piled behind them, but right where they were located, the tunnel "widened" and he saw what looked like the shell of a station, but it was only 1-2, maybe 3 carlengths ... when 76th Street erupted on Subtalk many years ago, I asked and he was pretty non-committal, almost laughing at me for bringing it up and said that HE believed there was more back there, but it had been filled in before HE got hired. That's it - no less, no more ... but there WAS enough down there to actually lay up some trains, that's what HE remembered. And he said they DID lay up bad order cars there ... |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Aug 18 18:04:18 2005, in response to Re: 76th Street (Was: Re: posting), posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Aug 18 17:49:10 2005. Heh. It's like the Roswell story....so many people claimed they "may" have seen something, but the men in the white coats came and told them not to say anything.See! I suspected the 76th Street station was an alien camp! They have been living there quite nicely in the LowV's they hid there that didn't fit on the Dyre Express tracks.... |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Aug 18 18:06:06 2005, in response to Re: 76th Street (Was: Re: posting), posted by Richard Rabinowitz on Thu Aug 18 17:43:14 2005. There's only one Euclid Ave station, and that would have been the neighbor station for 76th St, if it did, does, or was planned to be there...... |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Aug 18 18:56:06 2005, in response to Re: 76th Street (Was: Re: posting), posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Aug 18 10:48:35 2005. Kerry-okie - good one!Al Gore was Al Bore or Uncle Al, the kiddies pal (Laugh-in) to me. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Aug 18 18:59:12 2005, in response to Re: 76th Street (Was: Re: posting), posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Aug 18 13:10:32 2005. ..and was last seen mooing to his reindeer.:) |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Aug 18 19:01:46 2005, in response to Re: 76th Street (Was: Re: posting), posted by Richard Rabinowitz on Thu Aug 18 16:53:55 2005. Punt. |
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Posted by trains61 on Thu Aug 18 19:41:50 2005, in response to Re: 76th Street (Was: Re: posting), posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Aug 18 18:59:12 2005. I thought I saw that guy when I ws driving to work at Phoenix Sky Harbor ;} |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Aug 18 19:50:30 2005, in response to Re: 76th Street (Was: Re: posting), posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Aug 18 17:27:19 2005. Like I've said before, if there was signifacant tunnelage past that concrete barrier, whose maintaining it (in accordance with NY State law)? Why was it blocked off to begin with when the area could be used to lay up trains closer to Euclid than the yard? |
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Re: Official IND photo of 76th Street Re: posting |
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Posted by BMTLines on Thu Aug 18 20:01:58 2005, in response to Official IND photo of 76th Street Re: posting, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Aug 18 14:58:07 2005. Nice Try but the Senior Citizen half fare tickets did not exist back then :-D |
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Re: Official IND photo of 76th Street Re: posting |
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Posted by BMTLines on Thu Aug 18 20:21:52 2005, in response to Re: Official IND photo of 76th Street Re: posting, posted by Jan K. Lorenzen on Thu Aug 18 16:08:16 2005. You mean this one? |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Aug 18 20:22:06 2005, in response to Re: 76th Street (Was: Re: posting), posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Aug 18 18:04:18 2005. Heh. "Bust'em if ya got'em." :)Yeah, rumor has it the LoV's camped out there whilst wiglets dared to visit da Bronix. Heh. But we ALL know what 76th Street is *really* all about and why all the hijinx ... it's DICK CHENEY'S SECURE, UNDISCLOSED LOCATION! NONE shall speak! =) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Aug 18 20:25:00 2005, in response to Re: 76th Street (Was: Re: posting), posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Aug 18 18:56:06 2005. Betcha most of us ain't laughing so hard anymore. WRONG board for this, but what a pathetic joke, whatever way you went. :( |
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Re: 76th Street (Was: Re: posting) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Aug 18 20:34:05 2005, in response to Re: 76th Street (Was: Re: posting), posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Aug 18 18:59:12 2005. Nah ... yew d00ds need to rent you a copy of "BAD[DER] SANTA" the completely UNCUT version. You'll get where I was going - it's the Animal House of Kissmoose with an obligatory American "fairy tale ending" and yet *THAT* was warped too. :)Don't show it to the kids - savor "BadDER Santa" to yerself. Heh. After you see it, you'll agree with Tony Cox, "This is going to require YEARS and YEARS of COUNSELING." Heh. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Aug 18 20:40:03 2005, in response to Re: 76th Street (Was: Re: posting), posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Aug 18 19:50:30 2005. You don't understand how government works. ANY "embarassment" simply vanishes off the map and other documents ... "NEVER happened" is what it's called. That's why they're FOIA laws NOW ... but they're not retroactive. In nearby Schenectady, there's a place called "PEEK STREET." Manhattan Project did their isotope extractions to build little boy and fatman there. At least the uranium part of it all.EVERY document as to where they buried the chit is gone. Only a geiger counter or radon detector knows for sure. :( 76th Street, as the legend goes was a political embarassment. Google "Judge Crater" ... political bad news vanishes ... one way or another. That I'm self-employed now is witness to what happened to me when I inadvertently exposed political rump without intent ... That all said, 76th would be handled the same way ... Averill Harriman made Paturkey look like the ELMER that he is (look up his middle name). :( |
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Posted by MJF on Thu Aug 18 20:49:08 2005, in response to Re: 76th Street (Was: Re: posting), posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Aug 18 13:10:32 2005. Bad Santa, Bad Santa |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Aug 18 20:58:01 2005, in response to Re: 76th Street (Was: Re: posting), posted by MJF on Thu Aug 18 20:49:08 2005. BadDER Santa ... there really *is* a DVD by this name - the stuff that was edited out for the R rating ... "Bad[DER] Santa" is not rated - HAD to get a copy of THAT! :) |
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Re: 76th Street (Was: Re: posting) |
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Posted by Train Dude on Thu Aug 18 21:29:20 2005, in response to Re: 76th Street (Was: Re: posting), posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Aug 18 12:42:09 2005. A1 A3 and A2 tracks each will hold 10 cars south of Euclid. A4 track holds 8 cars. Of course we're talking the 60' variety so those tracks extend at least 600 feet beyond the interlocking. I may get curious enough to walk it one night - then again, maybe not! |
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Posted by tunnel rat on Thu Aug 18 22:05:16 2005, in response to Re: 76th Street (Was: Re: posting), posted by Richard Rabinowitz on Thu Aug 18 12:03:35 2005. richard rabinowitz the 1st.undergronnd yard was built by the i.r.t.on the no.1 line just inside the tunnel where it goes underground after leaving 125st. I believe it has 5 tracks.on the ind.at 168st.where the cturns around there is a 6 track yard.2 tracks were supposed to cross the g.w.bridge and go to fort lee n.j.179st.on the f line has an 8 track yard 4tracks on the upper level and 4 tracks on on the lower level.the lower level at church ave. ind.has a 4 track yard. tunnelrat. |
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Posted by Dan on Thu Aug 18 22:22:07 2005, in response to Re: 76th Street (Was: Re: posting), posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Aug 18 20:40:03 2005. If 76th Street exists in any form and the MTA doesn't consider it part of their empire, then the the NYC DOT would be responsible for it or at least know about. |
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Posted by Richard Rabinowitz on Thu Aug 18 22:44:14 2005, in response to Re: 76th Street (Was: Re: posting), posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Aug 18 19:01:46 2005. LOL |
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Posted by Richard Rabinowitz on Thu Aug 18 22:45:20 2005, in response to Re: 76th Street (Was: Re: posting), posted by tunnel rat on Thu Aug 18 22:05:16 2005. okeydokes. |
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Posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Thu Aug 18 22:50:01 2005, in response to Re: 76th Street (Was: Re: posting), posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Aug 17 18:18:27 2005. Agreed. Steve's right; you need a D Type or a BMT Standard to do it.wayne |
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Of 76th St. : Congratulations |
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Posted by Richard Rabinowitz on Thu Aug 18 23:14:52 2005, in response to posting, posted by tunnel rat on Tue Aug 16 13:48:15 2005. Y'know, at least we've succeeded at having a CIVILIZED discussion about 76th St. That's a far cry from the first Subchat discussion about this (although not the first Subtalk one, of course). I never intended for that discussion to dissolve into badmouthing, yet it did. At least THIS time y'all are much more mature about it. congrats and mazel tov :) |
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Re: 76th Street (Was: Re: posting) |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Aug 19 00:15:05 2005, in response to Re: 76th Street (Was: Re: posting), posted by Dan on Thu Aug 18 22:22:07 2005. Someone would. Tunnels flood unless their drainage systems are maintained. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Aug 19 00:30:36 2005, in response to Re: 76th Street (Was: Re: posting), posted by Richard Rabinowitz on Thu Aug 18 16:53:55 2005. What DID the city do? Instaed of building the rest of the Pitkin Avenue Subway to Cross Bay and Beyond, they turned left and said the El with it! |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Aug 19 00:36:30 2005, in response to Re: 76th Street (Was: Re: posting), posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Aug 18 17:24:21 2005. At the Wall. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Aug 19 00:42:24 2005, in response to Re: 76th Street (Was: Re: posting), posted by Richard Rabinowitz on Thu Aug 18 15:01:16 2005. Nonetheless, they could've been building the yard, and someone mistook the idea for a station, or someone might've thought up an idea for a station but it transmogrified into a yard. (Or, perhaps, the project started out as a station but someone figured a yard would work better on the spot than a station, so bye-bye platforms, hello tracks and more room). NOPE. Not a Chance. The Pitkin yard is SOUTH of Pitkin Avenue. The tracks make a 90' Right turn to enter the yard. The entire yard is SOUTH and west of 76th Street. 76th Street station was to be on Pitkin Avenue. It would have formed a wye with the yard. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Aug 19 00:43:58 2005, in response to Re: 76th Street (Was: Re: posting), posted by Richard Rabinowitz on Thu Aug 18 16:53:55 2005. Connected Euclid Ave to the old BMT el on Liberty Ave thru the Grant Ave station. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Aug 19 00:45:50 2005, in response to Re: 76th Street (Was: Re: posting), posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Aug 18 20:40:03 2005. If it ever existed then one of two conditions must prevail:1) It is maintained and inspected, or 2) It was all filled in. ROAR |
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Re: 76th Street (Was: Re: posting) |
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Posted by Douce Man on Fri Aug 19 00:49:05 2005, in response to Re: 76th Street (Was: Re: posting), posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Aug 18 13:18:18 2005. Flash causes sharp edges likw that. |
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Re: Official IND photo of 76th Street Re: posting |
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Posted by Douce Man on Fri Aug 19 00:57:55 2005, in response to Official IND photo of 76th Street Re: posting, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Aug 18 14:58:07 2005. And there is a view to the weekend half fare which started long after 1948. More like the early 1980's. |
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Re: 76th Street (Was: Re: posting) |
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Posted by Douce Man on Fri Aug 19 01:09:44 2005, in response to Re: 76th Street (Was: Re: posting), posted by Mitch45 on Thu Aug 18 11:37:12 2005. So why dud he write up a page about a station that doesn't exist? And how many more stations are there that are like that? |
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