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Posted by tunnel rat on Tue Aug 16 13:48:15 2005 did this get thru? |
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Posted by Bob Andersen on Tue Aug 16 14:03:25 2005, in response to posting, posted by tunnel rat on Tue Aug 16 13:48:15 2005. Through what? |
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Posted by Clayton on Tue Aug 16 14:04:39 2005, in response to posting, posted by tunnel rat on Tue Aug 16 13:48:15 2005. Yes, and welcome finally!I thought our resident tunnel rat was stuck in the prehistoric days with no computer... |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Tue Aug 16 14:31:13 2005, in response to Re: posting, posted by Bob Andersen on Tue Aug 16 14:03:25 2005. Through what?Through a tunnel under Pitkin Avenue, east of the Grant Avenue station... :D |
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Posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Tue Aug 16 14:50:22 2005, in response to posting, posted by tunnel rat on Tue Aug 16 13:48:15 2005. No! The A train is still stuck at Euclid Ave, waiting for proper lineup to 76th Street. |
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Posted by tunnel rat on Tue Aug 16 15:18:52 2005, in response to Re: posting, posted by Clayton on Tue Aug 16 14:04:39 2005. tunnel rat has finaly joined the 20th century with a used pc given to me and set up by a friend.so who wants to talk abandonded tunnels and stations? |
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Posted by joe c on Tue Aug 16 15:33:59 2005, in response to Re: posting, posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Tue Aug 16 14:50:22 2005. If there trying to find the proper lineup to 76th St,that'll take a while.til next time |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Tue Aug 16 15:48:26 2005, in response to Re: posting, posted by tunnel rat on Tue Aug 16 15:18:52 2005. so who wants to talk abandonded tunnels and stations?*raises hand enthusiastically* You just missed this thread. |
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76th Street (Was: Re: posting) |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Aug 16 16:03:34 2005, in response to Re: posting, posted by tunnel rat on Tue Aug 16 15:18:52 2005. so who wants to talk abandoned tunnels and stations?List as many reasons as you can as to why you know the 76th Street station exists! |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Aug 16 16:24:51 2005, in response to 76th Street (Was: Re: posting), posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Aug 16 16:03:34 2005. You BITCH! Hahahahahahahaa ... =) |
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Posted by Allan on Tue Aug 16 16:26:14 2005, in response to Re: posting, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Tue Aug 16 15:48:26 2005. "so who wants to talk abandonded tunnels and stations? "Indeed. Who wants to talk about illegal trespassing? |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Aug 16 16:26:31 2005, in response to Re: 76th Street (Was: Re: posting), posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Aug 16 16:24:51 2005. In every thread we've had about this, everyone says to talk to the Tunnel Rat. Well now he's here and he can give his input and we will all be enlightened. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Aug 16 16:28:36 2005, in response to Re: posting, posted by Allan on Tue Aug 16 16:26:14 2005. Indeed. Who wants to talk about illegal trespassing?talking about abandoned tunnels and stations != talking about illegal trespassing |
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Posted by Allan on Tue Aug 16 16:29:51 2005, in response to Re: posting, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Aug 16 16:28:36 2005. You know what I am getting at.Talking about the first thing has a tendency to lead to the other as evidenced in the website that was referred to. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Aug 16 16:32:40 2005, in response to Re: 76th Street (Was: Re: posting), posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Aug 16 16:26:31 2005. Yeah, I know ... bustini, bustini ... I *know* from other folks that I worked with back in 1970 that the tunnel is definitely there - arguments are over how FAR back it went. I've heard that there were concrete forms for a station at the other end, but no actual station, and the forms sorta ended before its "natural length" as though "abandoned in progress and backfilled" ... also heard, "it wasn't backfilled and all is there." And this was back when I worked for the EmTeeYay 35 years ago, straight from the old timers who described some of those rails still being ACTIVE when I worked there as "loops" and "layups."Do I *believe* in 76th Street? Well ... I believe in "brotherhood of man" and "power to the people as long as NiMo can crank a hundred watts" ... but there was, even back in MY time, before the blocks filled the portal that it made the ass end of 179th look like a stadium as far as "parking" went ... and rumor had it that some LoV's got hid down there RATHER than the popular tale of Dyre fow quite some time. What can I say? I don't KNOW the answer, but I'll listen to any evidence presented - to this day, I'm not closed of mind on it. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Aug 16 16:55:58 2005, in response to Re: posting, posted by Allan on Tue Aug 16 16:29:51 2005. Re: 76th St --- If it doesn't exist, it can't be illegal to visit it :) |
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Posted by Allan on Tue Aug 16 16:57:03 2005, in response to Re: posting, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Aug 16 16:55:58 2005. Granted (or is that Grant Avenue :) ).There are other real stations and tunnels. |
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Posted by TheGreatOne2k5 on Tue Aug 16 18:23:54 2005, in response to Re: posting, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Aug 16 16:55:58 2005. 76th Street Station (which once existed) was torn down YEARS ago :) |
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Posted by Dan on Tue Aug 16 18:45:57 2005, in response to Re: 76th Street (Was: Re: posting), posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Aug 16 16:32:40 2005. The '76th Street' topic came up a few months back. At that time I suggested that someone interested contact the NYCDOT and/or the MTA. I believe I even posted contact info. Did anyone here do that? Those angencies re the only ones with legitimate information regarding anything under the streets of NYC.Selkirk, now what's this about 'the ass end of 179th look like a stadium as far as "parking" went'?? |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Aug 16 18:55:33 2005, in response to 76th Street (Was: Re: posting), posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Aug 16 16:03:34 2005. |
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Posted by Broadway Junction on Tue Aug 16 18:58:23 2005, in response to Re: 76th Street (Was: Re: posting), posted by Dan on Tue Aug 16 18:45:57 2005. Somebody here did. Dunno if they ever got a response... |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Aug 16 19:04:27 2005, in response to Re: 76th Street (Was: Re: posting), posted by Dan on Tue Aug 16 18:45:57 2005. I thought Greenberger was going to do it ... |
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Posted by vfrt on Tue Aug 16 19:11:46 2005, in response to posting, posted by tunnel rat on Tue Aug 16 13:48:15 2005. How do we know that you are the truly The Tunnel Rat and not an impostor??? |
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Posted by RedbirdR33 on Tue Aug 16 20:30:13 2005, in response to Re: posting, posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Tue Aug 16 14:50:22 2005. The A train is still stuck at Euclid Ave, waiting for proper lineup to 76th Street.David: One again the hoary ghost of 76 Street rears its head. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by RedbirdR33 on Tue Aug 16 20:34:51 2005, in response to Re: 76th Street (Was: Re: posting), posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Aug 16 16:32:40 2005. Do I *believe* in 76th Street? WellHi Selkirk; If we can believe in Santa Claus, the Tooth Fairy and the Easter Bunny why can't we belive in the 76 Street Station. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by Train Dude on Tue Aug 16 21:43:26 2005, in response to Re: 76th Street (Was: Re: posting), posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Aug 16 16:32:40 2005. I was in the Euclid Ave. Tower this afternoon. There are 4 tracks shown on the model board that are used as lay-up tracks south of the station. They are shown leading to the 76th Street station which is shown on the model board as a local station. There is also an arrow pointing (east) south with the notation "to Crossbay Blvd.". Presumably, the 4-track tunnel extended or was supposed to extend at least that far east.I didn't walk into the tunnel but I'd guess I'd come to a brick or cinderblock wall before I reached the area where the 76th Street Station would be. Likelyhood - the tunnel was excavated at the location of the station but it's also likely that the station was never built. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Aug 16 22:58:48 2005, in response to Re: 76th Street (Was: Re: posting), posted by Train Dude on Tue Aug 16 21:43:26 2005. Likelyhood - the tunnel was excavated at the location of the station but it's also likely that the station was never built.Yes. Many of us would like to determine that with a higher degree of certitude. Various ways of doing that have been discussed here over the years. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Tue Aug 16 23:02:22 2005, in response to Re: 76th Street (Was: Re: posting), posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Aug 16 22:58:48 2005.  Yes. Many of us would like to determine that with a higher degree of certitude. Various ways of doing that have been discussed here over the years. The LION will go there in September (If NWA does not go on strike). Then a definative report will be forthcoming. 
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Aug 16 23:05:08 2005, in response to Re: 76th Street (Was: Re: posting), posted by Broadway Lion on Tue Aug 16 23:02:22 2005. Let me know when you are going. Maybe I could join you if you didn't mind. |
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Re: 76th Street (Was: Re: posting) |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Tue Aug 16 23:09:09 2005, in response to Re: 76th Street (Was: Re: posting), posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Aug 16 23:05:08 2005. Great. |
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Posted by Clayton on Tue Aug 16 23:16:52 2005, in response to Re: 76th Street (Was: Re: posting), posted by Dan on Tue Aug 16 18:45:57 2005. I snail-mailed the FOIL department of NYCT, got a confirmation, but never got a response to my follow-up request.I am going to check some maps (nothing you can buy) I have either later tonight or tomorrow to see if there are any weird things to note. |
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Posted by tunnel rat on Tue Aug 16 23:25:35 2005, in response to Re: 76th Street (Was: Re: posting), posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Aug 16 23:05:08 2005. email me at mr76st@aol.com |
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Posted by tunnel rat on Tue Aug 16 23:49:49 2005, in response to Re: 76th Street (Was: Re: posting), posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Aug 16 22:58:48 2005. to all concerned re:76st.both the 4 track tunnel from the bumper blocks at grant ave,the yard leads from pitkin yard and 2 local stations,roughed out with blue tiles on the wall saying 76st.were built. the 4 track tunnel extends to 79st. and pitkin ave. tracka8,whichextends up to the e/blocal platform was used from 1948 to 1952 for long relays.this is shown on both the euclid ave and yard towers.since 1964 when i started with the t.a.Ihave spoken to my signal maintainer amotorman who went beyond the now in place cinder block wall onthe pump train to pump out a flood and 2 cops from the 75th pct.who were in there in 1978,one being a former trainsit cop who knew about it. this people have no connection to one another,yet they all describe the tunnels and stations as forementioned. tunnelrat |
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Posted by Mark W. on Wed Aug 17 00:09:36 2005, in response to Re: 76th Street (Was: Re: posting), posted by tunnel rat on Tue Aug 16 23:49:49 2005. The mainline ends in a CONCRETE wall. Not cinerblock!OTOH, The yard leads end in cinderblocks and did go further. How much in anybody's guess. |
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Posted by tunnel rat on Wed Aug 17 00:17:56 2005, in response to Re: 76th Street (Was: Re: posting), posted by Dan on Tue Aug 16 18:45:57 2005. as far as contacting any nyc.gov.agency about76st. it ain,t gonna happen. i wrote to peter kalikow and was told that due to 9/11 no info will be released and no unauthorized personel will be allowed into the blueprint room. supercop |
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Posted by westcode44 on Wed Aug 17 00:18:47 2005, in response to Re: 76th Street (Was: Re: posting), posted by Mark W. on Wed Aug 17 00:09:36 2005. I heard there is an R-1/9 behind that wall (never used in service) an old time RCI told me this way back in 1980. |
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Posted by Mark W. on Wed Aug 17 00:21:46 2005, in response to Re: 76th Street (Was: Re: posting), posted by westcode44 on Wed Aug 17 00:18:47 2005. Next to the Multi and Bluebird but behind the Green Hornet. |
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Posted by tunnel rat on Wed Aug 17 00:25:46 2005, in response to Re: 76th Street (Was: Re: posting), posted by westcode44 on Wed Aug 17 00:18:47 2005. there are no cars of any kind beyound the cinder block wall,just roadbed with ties,no rails in place. mark w saw this when he went down there a year or so ago.he also saw the shovel Ileft standing on the wall where Itried to dig under it. tunnel rat. |
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Posted by westcode44 on Wed Aug 17 00:26:33 2005, in response to Re: 76th Street (Was: Re: posting), posted by Mark W. on Wed Aug 17 00:21:46 2005. How did you know of this information.? This wasn't supposed to leak out especially to Tunnel Rat and BMTman... |
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Posted by Mark W. on Wed Aug 17 00:28:11 2005, in response to Re: 76th Street (Was: Re: posting), posted by westcode44 on Wed Aug 17 00:26:33 2005. True. If BMT Man hears about it, There will be nothing left! "Don't mind if I do" |
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Posted by westcode44 on Wed Aug 17 00:31:18 2005, in response to Re: 76th Street (Was: Re: posting), posted by Mark W. on Wed Aug 17 00:28:11 2005. And Tunnel Rat will pick up that shovel and start digging AGAIN..!! |
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Posted by monorail on Wed Aug 17 00:36:24 2005, in response to 76th Street (Was: Re: posting), posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Aug 16 16:03:34 2005. cause somebody said so......... |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Wed Aug 17 05:36:45 2005, in response to 76th Street (Was: Re: posting), posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Aug 16 16:03:34 2005. ["List as many reasons as you can as to why you know the 76th Street station exists!"] |
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Posted by Clayton on Wed Aug 17 06:38:37 2005, in response to Re: 76th Street (Was: Re: posting), posted by Mark W. on Wed Aug 17 00:28:11 2005. The only thing that would be left is the frame! |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Wed Aug 17 08:53:59 2005, in response to Re: 76th Street (Was: Re: posting), posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Aug 16 22:58:48 2005. If one were to go to tha area, one would see where the four track area beneath the center grass mall on Conduit Blvd. it shows some subway grates. Then the grassy mall dips in it center as you head east, an indication that there is no subsurface structure.If one heads further east to Crossbay Blvd. and observes the very straight engineered service roads leading up to and away from Crossbay Blvd on the westward side going towards Brooklyn. This is where Conduit Blvd is in the center going under Crossbay Blvd. For most of Conduit between Crossbay and Euclid, Conduit, North and South leave a wide grassy mall for what was to be a subway. I think the Crossbay tunnels were built at that time, in the late 1940's - early 1950's. I recall a lot of detours and road building. Has anyone else viewed this area with a questioning eye? avid reader |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Aug 17 09:14:37 2005, in response to Re: 76th Street (Was: Re: posting), posted by Mark W. on Wed Aug 17 00:28:11 2005. He'll try to ram a train through that concrete wall.:) |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Wed Aug 17 09:15:38 2005, in response to Re: 76th Street (Was: Re: posting), posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Aug 17 09:14:37 2005. He'll try to ram a train through that concrete wall.:)A train of gate cars, of course. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Aug 17 09:17:30 2005, in response to Re: 76th Street (Was: Re: posting), posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Wed Aug 17 09:15:38 2005. You'd need something more substantial. A BMT standard or Triplex would do the trick.:) |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Wed Aug 17 09:17:50 2005, in response to Re: 76th Street (Was: Re: posting), posted by Avid Reader on Wed Aug 17 08:53:59 2005. For most of Conduit between Crossbay and Euclid, Conduit, North and South leave a wide grassy mall for what was to be a subway.The wide median is for the aqueduct that used to be there, not the subway that never was. |
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Re: 76th Street (Was: Re: posting) |
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Posted by Fytton on Wed Aug 17 09:28:05 2005, in response to Re: 76th Street (Was: Re: posting), posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Wed Aug 17 09:17:50 2005. "For most of Conduit between Crossbay and Euclid, Conduit, North and South leave a wide grassy mall for what was to be a subway.""The wide median is for the aqueduct that used to be there, not the subway that never was." Which is presumably why the street is called Conduit.... The subway was to have been under Pitkin, anyway, not Conduit. Conduit crosses Pitkin at an acute angle. Presumably the subway along Pitkin would have had to drop down to a lower level at that intersection, to get under the aqueduct, or conduit? |
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