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NYPD baggage checkers on the Brighton THIS EVENING. |
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Posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Sat Aug 13 21:38:13 2005 As the fine NYPD warned us that the random bag searches will be conducted at random, as on this post, they are out on a Brighton Line station. In the interest of security, I will not reveal the actual station until later since they are now doing this. |
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Re: NYPD baggage checkers on the Brighton THIS EVENING. |
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Posted by ALSTOM R160A on Sat Aug 13 22:00:09 2005, in response to NYPD baggage checkers on the Brighton THIS EVENING., posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Sat Aug 13 21:38:13 2005. In the interest of security, I will not reveal the actual station until later since they are now doing this.Oh boy...more overly-cautious railiens. :D |
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(Terrorists can still sneak in back door) Was Re:NYPD baggage checkers on the Brighton THIS EVENING. |
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Posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Sat Aug 13 22:08:56 2005, in response to Re: NYPD baggage checkers on the Brighton THIS EVENING., posted by ALSTOM R160A on Sat Aug 13 22:00:09 2005. The checkpoint was at Kings Highway and yours truly cooperated in my very first stop. I asked them why there is NO ONE ON THE NORTH SIDE OF KH HEET ENTRANCE, their reply was they NEVER KNEW IT WAS OPEN 24/7. So a terrorist can sneak on north fare control |
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Re: (Terrorists can still sneak in back door) Was Re:NYPD baggage checkers on the Brighton THIS EVEN |
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Posted by ALSTOM R160A on Sat Aug 13 22:12:55 2005, in response to (Terrorists can still sneak in back door) Was Re:NYPD baggage checkers on the Brighton THIS EVENING., posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Sat Aug 13 22:08:56 2005. A terrorist could sneak into any station that doesn't have a check and go to the station he wants to blow up. Wow...so easy! |
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Re: NYPD baggage checkers on the Brighton THIS EVENING. |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Sat Aug 13 22:13:31 2005, in response to Re: NYPD baggage checkers on the Brighton THIS EVENING., posted by ALSTOM R160A on Sat Aug 13 22:00:09 2005. Even though we may oppose the bag checks, I'm not so sure it is a good idea to post where they are while they are in progress.During the DC area sniper shootings, Metro Networks, which is the organization that provides traffic reporters to most DC radio stations, was fairly well aware of the location of the dragnets following each shooting. Yet, when the shootings occurred at the start of morning rush hour, WTOP's AM drivetime reporter Lisa Baden would simply say "there are police dragnets in the area of ____________, but I can't be more specific than that so that I don't hinder the police effort," or something to that extent. She does the same for presidential motorcades and the like. |
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Re: NYPD baggage checkers on the Brighton THIS EVENING. |
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Posted by ALSTOM R160A on Sat Aug 13 22:20:32 2005, in response to Re: NYPD baggage checkers on the Brighton THIS EVENING., posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Sat Aug 13 22:13:31 2005. There really is no security that would be hindered. If someone had a bomb, they could refuse a search. The police can't do anything if one refuses a search. All they can do is tell them they cannot enter. |
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Re: NYPD baggage checkers on the Brighton THIS EVENING. |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Sat Aug 13 22:26:48 2005, in response to Re: NYPD baggage checkers on the Brighton THIS EVENING., posted by ALSTOM R160A on Sat Aug 13 22:20:32 2005. I don't feel like going into hypothetical situations. I am not in favor of bag checks but I understand the rationale in someone feeling it is wrong to disclose where they are taking place. |
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Re: NYPD baggage checkers on the Brighton THIS EVENING. |
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Posted by ALSTOM R160A on Sat Aug 13 22:28:26 2005, in response to Re: NYPD baggage checkers on the Brighton THIS EVENING., posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Sat Aug 13 22:26:48 2005. I'm just saying, the disclosure of the location won't make a difference. |
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Re: NYPD baggage checkers on the Brighton THIS EVENING. |
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Posted by SLRT on Sat Aug 13 22:50:16 2005, in response to Re: NYPD baggage checkers on the Brighton THIS EVENING., posted by ALSTOM R160A on Sat Aug 13 22:28:26 2005. If you think someone refuses a search and doesn't get eyeballed, then discreetly followed if they seem otherwise suspicious, you're dreaming. |
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Re: NYPD baggage checkers on the Brighton THIS EVENING. |
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Posted by SLRT on Sat Aug 13 22:51:57 2005, in response to Re: NYPD baggage checkers on the Brighton THIS EVENING., posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Sat Aug 13 22:13:31 2005. Actually, that kind of caution began after 11/22/63. Up until then, the route and time of Presidential motorcades was announced in great detail. |
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Re: NYPD baggage checkers on the Brighton THIS EVENING. |
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Posted by ALSTOM R160A on Sat Aug 13 22:53:55 2005, in response to Re: NYPD baggage checkers on the Brighton THIS EVENING., posted by SLRT on Sat Aug 13 22:50:16 2005. It would be illegal. If you turn around, they can't do anything. |
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Posted by ALSTOM R160A on Sat Aug 13 22:54:10 2005, in response to Re: NYPD baggage checkers on the Brighton THIS EVENING., posted by ALSTOM R160A on Sat Aug 13 22:53:55 2005. Oh, and I'm not dreaming. |
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Re: NYPD baggage checkers on the Brighton THIS EVENING. |
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Posted by SLRT on Sat Aug 13 22:56:21 2005, in response to Re: NYPD baggage checkers on the Brighton THIS EVENING., posted by ALSTOM R160A on Sat Aug 13 22:54:10 2005. But you're wrong. |
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Posted by BMTLines on Sat Aug 13 23:02:06 2005, in response to Re: NYPD baggage checkers on the Brighton THIS EVENING., posted by SLRT on Sat Aug 13 22:50:16 2005. If you think someone refuses a search and doesn't get eyeballed, then discreetly followed if they seem otherwise suspicious, you're dreaming.If that is happening then that is precisely the reason the ACLU should be involved - any claim that the searches are "voluntary" is now debunked. |
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Re: NYPD baggage checkers on the Brighton THIS EVENING. |
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Posted by SLRT on Sat Aug 13 23:04:45 2005, in response to Re: NYPD baggage checkers on the Brighton THIS EVENING., posted by BMTLines on Sat Aug 13 23:02:06 2005. Not so. A policeman is as entitled as anyone else to observe someone's BEHAVIOR and make a judgment of whether it is appropriate to that of a person who may hiding something.As to the ACLU, I was a card-carrying member until Skokie. Now I wish they would remember that their name includes the words "American" and "Civil Liberties." |
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Re: NYPD baggage checkers on the Brighton THIS EVENING. |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Sat Aug 13 23:07:52 2005, in response to Re: NYPD baggage checkers on the Brighton THIS EVENING., posted by BMTLines on Sat Aug 13 23:02:06 2005. It is a bit of a catch-22. If you don't submit to being searched, it does raise suspicions. At the same time, you supposedly have a right to refusal.Unfortunately, a recent USA Today Poll showed that most Americans were IN FAVOR of the type of searches now going on in the NYC Subway! |
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Re: NYPD baggage checkers on the Brighton THIS EVENING. |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Sat Aug 13 23:10:29 2005, in response to Re: NYPD baggage checkers on the Brighton THIS EVENING., posted by SLRT on Sat Aug 13 22:51:57 2005. I've been held up by motorcades a number of times. I used to go by the vice presidential residence on a regular basis and more than once, was held up by Al Gore while he left the Observatory.Clearly, the traffic reporters aren't going to want to say why there is traffic if Bush is in the vicinity. I quote Lisa Baden again. Back in June, she said "There is heavy traffic in the vicinity of Montgomery Blair High School. I can't tell you the specifics but if you are there, you will figure out why." Here in DC that information is likely to be withheld. If Bush is making an appearance in some small town somewhere though, I can't imagine his route being that secret. |
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Re: NYPD baggage checkers on the Brighton THIS EVENING. |
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Posted by SLRT on Sat Aug 13 23:20:38 2005, in response to Re: NYPD baggage checkers on the Brighton THIS EVENING., posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Sat Aug 13 23:10:29 2005. I remember AFTER Kennedy's assassination, LBJ was in a motorcade with Bobby Kennedy on Church Avenue. I also remember JFK in front of the RKO Kenmore (though I didn't see him). This was all announced in advance.After MLK and RFK got it, they tightened up even more. Now even the Pope rides behind bulletproof shields. I wouldn't be too lax in a small town. You never know. Even if noone in the immediate area is murderous, we still have open travel. |
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Re: NYPD baggage checkers on the Brighton THIS EVENING. |
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Posted by ALSTOM R160A on Sat Aug 13 23:38:09 2005, in response to Re: NYPD baggage checkers on the Brighton THIS EVENING., posted by SLRT on Sat Aug 13 22:56:21 2005. How am I wrong? |
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Re: NYPD baggage checkers on the Brighton THIS EVENING. |
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Posted by ALSTOM R160A on Sat Aug 13 23:39:45 2005, in response to Re: NYPD baggage checkers on the Brighton THIS EVENING., posted by SLRT on Sat Aug 13 23:04:45 2005. Not so. A policeman is as entitled as anyone else to observe someone's BEHAVIOR and make a judgment of whether it is appropriate to that of a person who may hiding something.Still, they can't search your bag based on whether or how you refuse a voluntary search. That's the law. As to the ACLU, I was a card-carrying member until Skokie. Now I wish they would remember that their name includes the words "American" and "Civil Liberties." Remember, ACLU will represent anything that goes against any type of civil liberty, no matter how racist, horrible, etc. it is. |
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Re: NYPD baggage checkers on the Brighton THIS EVENING. |
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Posted by Booge on Sun Aug 14 04:10:49 2005, in response to NYPD baggage checkers on the Brighton THIS EVENING., posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Sat Aug 13 21:38:13 2005. Put the redcaps to work. Checked baggage on the Subway? Does this mean that the fare will be raised? |
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Re: (Terrorists can still sneak in back door) Was Re:NYPD baggage checkers on the Brighton THIS EVEN |
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Posted by G1Ravage on Sun Aug 14 05:04:46 2005, in response to Re: (Terrorists can still sneak in back door) Was Re:NYPD baggage checkers on the Brighton THIS EVEN, posted by ALSTOM R160A on Sat Aug 13 22:12:55 2005. Isn't it? |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Aug 14 08:36:37 2005, in response to Re: NYPD baggage checkers on the Brighton THIS EVENING., posted by SLRT on Sat Aug 13 23:20:38 2005. The Pope didn't ride behind bulletproof shields until the assassination attempt on John Paul II in 1981. |
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Re: NYPD baggage checkers on the Brighton THIS EVENING. |
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Posted by Dan Lawrence on Sun Aug 14 11:22:46 2005, in response to Re: NYPD baggage checkers on the Brighton THIS EVENING., posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Sat Aug 13 23:07:52 2005. It's all WINDOW DRESSING.Remember London. All those cameras, everywhere (Thank you, IRA) and they still got hit by backpack toating towelheads. |
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Re: (Terrorists can still sneak in back door) Was Re:NYPD baggage checkers on the Brighton THIS EVEN |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Aug 14 11:54:43 2005, in response to Re: (Terrorists can still sneak in back door) Was Re:NYPD baggage checkers on the Brighton THIS EVEN, posted by G1Ravage on Sun Aug 14 05:04:46 2005. Yep, so easy. The checkpoints do nothing. |
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Re: NYPD baggage checkers on the Brighton THIS EVENING. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Aug 14 11:55:52 2005, in response to Re: NYPD baggage checkers on the Brighton THIS EVENING., posted by ALSTOM R160A on Sat Aug 13 23:38:09 2005. You're not wrong. They have to let you walk away. |
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Re: NYPD baggage checkers on the Brighton THIS EVENING. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Aug 14 11:57:52 2005, in response to NYPD baggage checkers on the Brighton THIS EVENING., posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Sat Aug 13 21:38:13 2005. Oh no, I'm shaking!!!! |
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Posted by SLRT on Sun Aug 14 12:40:39 2005, in response to Re: NYPD baggage checkers on the Brighton THIS EVENING., posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Aug 14 11:55:52 2005. I didn't say they wouldn't let you walk away. I said you would be observed and could be discreetly followed. |
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Re: NYPD baggage checkers on the Brighton THIS EVENING. |
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Posted by TonyD on Sun Aug 14 17:33:00 2005, in response to NYPD baggage checkers on the Brighton THIS EVENING., posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Sat Aug 13 21:38:13 2005. Most Americans are in favor of searches ? Most Americans are sheep. Maybe it's human nature for people to act like sheep. Remember the Reichstag fire and the enabling laws that gave Hitler absolute power ? The parallels are striking. The lesson is that the more power government gets the more they want. They are putting into place a fascist state all around us and if we don't wake up it will be too late. |
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Re: NYPD baggage checkers on the Brighton THIS EVENING. |
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Posted by BMTLines on Sun Aug 14 17:43:40 2005, in response to NYPD baggage checkers on the Brighton THIS EVENING., posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Sat Aug 13 21:38:13 2005. I will not reveal the actual station until later since they are now doing this.I would have had no problem revealing it! I loved the old CB radio days when drivers used to get on the radio and broadcast the location of marked and unmarked police cars on the road. |
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Re: NYPD baggage checkers on the Brighton THIS EVENING. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Aug 14 18:18:43 2005, in response to Re: NYPD baggage checkers on the Brighton THIS EVENING., posted by BMTLines on Sun Aug 14 17:43:40 2005. Yes, David has misplaced priorities. I feel bad for him. |
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Posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Sun Aug 14 18:38:19 2005, in response to Re: NYPD baggage checkers on the Brighton THIS EVENING., posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Aug 14 18:18:43 2005. I feel equally bad for your disrespect towards some people on this board. Last night I was talking to someone who is a Subchatter and he asked "What is wrong with Brian Weinberg?". Nuff said, cause he started the conversation about you. |
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Re: NYPD baggage checkers on the Brighton THIS EVENING. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Aug 14 20:23:55 2005, in response to Re: NYPD baggage checkers on the Brighton THIS EVENING., posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Sun Aug 14 18:38:19 2005. Come on, tell us how you really feel, battery boy. |
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Posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Sun Aug 14 20:50:16 2005, in response to Re: NYPD baggage checkers on the Brighton THIS EVENING., posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Aug 14 20:23:55 2005. I feel great every day. :-) |
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Re: (Terrorists can still sneak in back door) Was Re:NYPD baggage checkers on the Brighton THIS EVENING. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon Aug 15 08:42:29 2005, in response to (Terrorists can still sneak in back door) Was Re:NYPD baggage checkers on the Brighton THIS EVENING., posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Sat Aug 13 22:08:56 2005. This whole business just cracks me up. |
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Re: (Terrorists can still sneak in back door) Was Re:NYPD baggage checkers on the Brighton THIS EVEN |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Aug 15 09:33:42 2005, in response to Re: (Terrorists can still sneak in back door) Was Re:NYPD baggage checkers on the Brighton THIS EVENING., posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon Aug 15 08:42:29 2005. Yeah, but it keeps republican diapers dryer ... it's WORTH the savings in stink. :) |
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Re: (Terrorists can still sneak in back door) Was Re:NYPD baggage checkers on the Brighton THIS EVEN |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon Aug 15 11:01:10 2005, in response to Re: (Terrorists can still sneak in back door) Was Re:NYPD baggage checkers on the Brighton THIS EVEN, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Aug 15 09:33:42 2005. They must have heard that Heypaul buys Depends by the truckload.:) |
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Re: (Terrorists can still sneak in back door) Was Re:NYPD baggage checkers on the Brighton THIS EVEN |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Aug 15 11:11:16 2005, in response to Re: (Terrorists can still sneak in back door) Was Re:NYPD baggage checkers on the Brighton THIS EVEN, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon Aug 15 11:01:10 2005. Nah ... he sells them by the CARLOAD ... ever wonder why the NY&AR was back in business? :) |
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