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Posted by daDouce Man on Mon Aug 1 10:27:59 2005, in response to Re: Interesting Find, posted by Allan on Mon Aug 1 08:28:06 2005. Whenever I'm in here and the conversation gets going, I can go to bed a little later. I'm sure Selkirk and others feel the same way. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Aug 1 10:45:22 2005, in response to Interesting Find, posted by Ian Lennon on Mon Aug 1 00:25:43 2005. I have not looked at that website lately, but do know the photos you mean. I don't know which one they are off hand (and don't have time to go looking for the photos on that site right now), but there are a few station shells that were built for the IND Second System that were never completed.Because of WWII, the IND Second System's grand plans were scrapped. However, when much of the current IND was built, they were anticipating the IND Second System lines to be built, so the partially built provisions for the future planned lines. There is a station shell at the IND Utica Ave station on the Fulton line. It was for the planned, but never built Utica Ave station. Assumingly, the station would have been called "Fulton St". it's as long as the current Utica Ave is wide. That's one location. Another station shell that exists is for the IND South 4th Street station, which is at the G's Broadway station. The South 4th Street subway was to be a 6 track station like Hoyt-Schermerhorn. It too is built the width of a 6 track station, although only as long as the Broadway station is wide. There are a few more here and there (I think one at East Bway on the F, and a few other places) have provisons built too. Again, I haven't looked at the photos, but I believe I remember them being the Utica-Fulton station shell off hand. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Aug 1 10:50:38 2005, in response to Re: Interesting Find, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Aug 1 01:34:03 2005. The Roosevelt station provision was actually completed with tiles and all. It was the most complete station shell proision for the IND second system built.However, I don't believe those are the photos he means on the site. I don't have time to look for the "IND Second System" photos on that site right now, but last I checked, they were for an incomplete station shell, I believe the one at Utica, but perhaps Southh 4th St. I don't remember seeing photos of the Roosevelt station provision on that site, but perhaps they added some there. If he can provide a direct link to the photos he means, it may be easier to determine. The abandoned mezzanine with the old IND token booth he linked to is I believe on the G line at one of those stations, Van Alst I believe. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Aug 1 10:51:59 2005, in response to Re: Interesting Find, posted by daDouce Man on Mon Aug 1 02:10:21 2005. It's an IND station....on the G. |
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Posted by monorail on Mon Aug 1 10:52:40 2005, in response to Re: Interesting Find, posted by daDouce Man on Mon Aug 1 02:10:21 2005. wasn't the s/e atlantic either |
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Posted by monorail on Mon Aug 1 10:55:50 2005, in response to Re: Interesting Find, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Aug 1 10:45:22 2005. I've been to utica av upper level, but that wasn't it |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Mon Aug 1 10:59:16 2005, in response to Re: Interesting Find, posted by monorail on Mon Aug 1 10:55:50 2005. This thread reminds me of the mystery pic threads started by SLBT. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Aug 1 11:00:16 2005, in response to Re: Interesting Find, posted by monorail on Mon Aug 1 10:55:50 2005. These are the photos labeled "IND Second System" on the site:http://ltvsquad.com/Missions/Tunnels/Subways/2ndSys/Various.php http://ltvsquad.com/Missions/Tunnels/Subways/2ndSys2/index.php The mezzanine he posted is on the G I believe, that was not a provision, that was an actually used mezzanine at one time....I believe it was Van Alst. |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Mon Aug 1 11:03:12 2005, in response to Re: Interesting Find, posted by daDouce Man on Mon Aug 1 02:45:01 2005. >>>It wasn't a wooden booth shown in the picture. <<<I don't know what picture you're looking at but, it most certainly is a wooden booth. Peace, ANDEE |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Aug 1 11:06:46 2005, in response to Re: Interesting Find, posted by Ian Lennon on Mon Aug 1 02:51:58 2005. There is in fact a station beyond 179th Street on Hillside Ave. In fact, it is quite easy to see just about any time you want.... |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Mon Aug 1 11:10:49 2005, in response to Re: Interesting Find, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Aug 1 11:00:16 2005. One time when I worked at Van Alst, I looked at a map of the station showing all the rooms and areas on the station. There was a booth at the other end. N-402. There was also a lower mezzazine.Maybe Ian's pics were of Van Alst. Maybe it's Broadway. But I can't see someone tiling the walls of the mezzazine and passageways and leaving the platform area in bare concrete. I don't think there was enough room at Fulton/Utica to build anything past a platform. Much less a mezzazine. |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Mon Aug 1 11:13:09 2005, in response to Re: Interesting Find, posted by daDouce Man on Mon Aug 1 02:45:01 2005. At Broadway there was a P/T booth between the main booth and the staircase to South 4th. It was a wooden booth and was a pile of rubble when I saw it back in 1989. |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Mon Aug 1 11:15:51 2005, in response to Re: Interesting Find, posted by VictorM on Mon Aug 1 03:25:10 2005. There are abandoned IND booths at Queens Plaza and Grand Ave/Newtown.Built into the wall and have a metal "window" on it. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Aug 1 11:20:11 2005, in response to Re: Interesting Find, posted by daDouce Man on Mon Aug 1 11:10:49 2005. There was supposed to be an entire station at Utica Fulton for the unbuilt Utica Subway.The mezzanine photos that are tiled are not that of a provision, that is seperate from the "Second System Photos". The mezzanine is of a once used mezzanine that is now abandoned. The station shell photos (completely different set of photos) are that of a unused station shell for the IND Second System, probably South 4th St at the Broadway Station on the G. All this confusion is because Ian posted a link to the mezzanine phtoos, and then also mentioned the seperate "IND Second System" photos in the same post, but did not link to them. People thought the mezzanine photos are the IND Second System photos on the site, and that is not the case. |
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Posted by Allan on Mon Aug 1 12:31:30 2005, in response to Re: Interesting Find, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Aug 1 10:20:45 2005. I wonder what happens if one of those Urban Explorers just happens to be a railfan (who posts on this board every once in a while?)I won't mention any names. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Aug 1 12:37:19 2005, in response to Re: Interesting Find, posted by Allan on Mon Aug 1 12:31:30 2005. He does post every so often. But he is more of an urban explorer than a typical "railfan". But of course, people can overlap many hobbies. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Aug 1 13:24:14 2005, in response to Re: Interesting Find, posted by Allan on Mon Aug 1 12:31:30 2005. You're right - I do know of a few people here like that. I didn't think about them. So there is a very very very small minority of railfans who are urban explorers. So your point is valid on small scale. |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Mon Aug 1 14:19:34 2005, in response to Re: Interesting Find, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Aug 1 11:20:11 2005. There was supposed to be an entire station at Utica Fulton for the unbuilt Utica Subway.The mezzanine photos that are tiled are not that of a provision, that is seperate from the "Second System Photos". The mezzanine is of a once used mezzanine that is now abandoned. The mezzanine for the Second System station at Utica is tiled and was open to the public prior to the 1996 renovation. |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Mon Aug 1 14:22:12 2005, in response to Re: Interesting Find, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Aug 1 13:24:14 2005. there is a very very very small minority of railfans who are urban explorers.The inverse of that is untrue. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Aug 1 15:58:11 2005, in response to Re: Interesting Find, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Mon Aug 1 14:22:12 2005. just say it |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Mon Aug 1 16:47:09 2005, in response to Re: Interesting Find, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Aug 1 15:58:11 2005. just say itWas I not clear? Many urban explorers, while not necessarily flat-nosed, rivet counting, card-carrying ERA members, are also railfans to some extent. Recall it was the UE community that organized the Photo Ban Protest last June. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Aug 1 16:55:59 2005, in response to Re: Interesting Find, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Mon Aug 1 16:47:09 2005. But they are not the railfans who show up on MOD trips. |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Mon Aug 1 18:20:29 2005, in response to Re: Interesting Find, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Aug 1 16:55:59 2005. But they are not the railfans who show up on MOD trips.Some of them do. Even so, is appearance at a Subdivision C event requisite for being a railfan? |
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Posted by Richard Rabinowitz on Mon Aug 1 18:23:46 2005, in response to Re: Interesting Find, posted by daDouce Man on Mon Aug 1 02:20:14 2005. Otherwise the proverbial stuck-up toilet will overflow and cause a mess. :) |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Aug 1 19:27:37 2005, in response to Re: Interesting Find, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Mon Aug 1 18:20:29 2005. Some of them do. Even so, is appearance at a Subdivision C event requisite for being a railfan?As it relates to Allan's original post, pretty much yeah. |
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Posted by Ian Lennon on Mon Aug 1 21:24:25 2005, in response to Re: Interesting Find, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Aug 1 11:20:11 2005. You hit the nail on the head. I am sorry about that. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Aug 1 22:52:06 2005, in response to Re: Interesting Find, posted by Allan on Mon Aug 1 08:28:06 2005. Well, speaking strictly for myself, whenever you "see" me here, I'm at work. And since that workday can go 14, 20, 30, 40 hours in a stretch, I take what I can find when I can find it while the trusty old compiler has the other machine tied up doing its thing. Ya gets tired of twiddling thumbs and drooling, so I come here for something to look at.I *do* sleep though, usually in the daytime. :) |
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Posted by monorail on Mon Aug 1 23:42:35 2005, in response to Re: Interesting Find, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Aug 1 11:06:46 2005. would that happen to be a GAS station? |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Tue Aug 2 00:26:49 2005, in response to Re: Interesting Find, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Mon Aug 1 14:19:34 2005. For all the times I've been to Utica Avenue/A the overhead mezzazine to/from the main and part time booths have always been closed to the public. It's tiled. But has none of the things that the website pictured. |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Tue Aug 2 00:37:07 2005, in response to Re: Interesting Find, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Aug 1 11:20:11 2005. The station platform at Fulton/Utica on the IND Second System line is said to be as wide as Fulton Street. A few years ago one could look up on the platform from a door on the lower mezzazine. The one time I looked, I saw just a platform with nothing more than just concrete pillars and walls and ceilings. No signs ot plaques or anything else. I also saw a wall on the left. It was just a provision that was never expanded.We do not know where the pics on Ian's website are. I know it's not Ian's site. But I don't know how else to put it. The text doesn't say where they were taken. Definately it wasn'r taken on the "Centre Street Line". Selkirk says the pic of the booth has IRT on it. But we don't know where it is. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Aug 2 00:51:52 2005, in response to Re: Interesting Find, posted by daDouce Man on Tue Aug 2 00:37:07 2005. Just for clarification, the booth LOOKS IRT, but my specific "looks IRT" has to do with the painted lead pipe center railings on the stairs - IND didn't do that. Now the machine that I use here has an old 256 color card in it because it's just plain faster for the business I do on this machine than a fancy "gaming graphics" card, so colors tend to be distorted on photographs - that's not what this machine is for. As a result, I missed noticing the "green" in the tilework.That's probably the more significant clue - and that'd suggest crosstown GG line ... mystery STILL not solved. Moo. :) |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Tue Aug 2 01:19:48 2005, in response to Re: Interesting Find, posted by Richard Rabinowitz on Mon Aug 1 18:23:46 2005. And it would flood the entire website. Ewwwwwwwwwww! |
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Posted by vengence on Tue Aug 2 03:11:44 2005, in response to Re: Interesting Find, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Aug 1 11:00:16 2005. It's South 4th st subway station... |
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Posted by vengence on Tue Aug 2 03:42:53 2005, in response to Re: Interesting Find, posted by daDouce Man on Mon Aug 1 02:00:29 2005. South 4th st. |
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Posted by vengence on Tue Aug 2 04:16:11 2005, in response to Re: Interesting Find, posted by daDouce Man on Mon Aug 1 02:16:23 2005. South 4th street... |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Tue Aug 2 06:53:51 2005, in response to Interesting Find, posted by Ian Lennon on Mon Aug 1 00:25:43 2005. Todays (Tues.) Daily NewsPeace, ANDEE |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Aug 2 06:55:10 2005, in response to Re: Interesting Find, posted by daDouce Man on Tue Aug 2 00:37:07 2005. It's already been long decided where those photos were taken. Why don't you read the thread and stop dragging this out. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Aug 2 07:06:34 2005, in response to Urban Expolores Get Front Page Press (WAS: Interesting Find), posted by SUBWAYSURF on Tue Aug 2 06:53:51 2005. Two people gave their real names? That means they aren't REAL UE's. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Aug 2 09:02:19 2005, in response to Re: Interesting Find, posted by monorail on Mon Aug 1 23:42:35 2005. No, it's a station with tracks:Click Here runs for cover..... |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Aug 2 09:08:01 2005, in response to Re: Interesting Find, posted by daDouce Man on Tue Aug 2 00:37:07 2005. Definately it wasn'r taken on the "Centre Street Line".Douce. You are trying to confuse people! Ian just mentioned the Centre St photos as a sidenote. (It's Bowery). That has nothing to do with the link he posted of the abandoned mezzanine, or the IND Scond System photos. But yes, you are right. The station shell at Utica/Fulton is the width of a typical IND express station, however, it is only as long as Fulton St is wide (which I already mentioned). And yes, it's just concrete, no tiles or finishing touches at all. Just the main structure. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Aug 2 09:11:56 2005, in response to Re: Interesting Find, posted by vengence on Tue Aug 2 03:11:44 2005. The IND Second System photo's station shell is South 4th St - or.... the mezzanine is South 4th? Is that the abandoned mezzanine at Broadway (G)?I thought it was Van Alst on the G. I know therre is still an abandoned old token booth there in an abandoned mezzanine. |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Tue Aug 2 09:39:18 2005, in response to Re: Interesting Find, posted by daDouce Man on Tue Aug 2 00:26:49 2005. For all the times I've been to Utica Avenue/A the overhead mezzazine to/from the main and part time booths have always been closed to the public. It's tiled. But has none of the things that the website pictured.It has none of the things pictured because the pictures are of 21-Van Alst. Utica has advertisements from the mid-1990s, maroon tiles, and no wooden token booth. How is a booth "part time" if it's never open? |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Tue Aug 2 10:07:30 2005, in response to Re: Interesting Find, posted by vengence on Tue Aug 2 03:42:53 2005. You just said that. http://www.subchat.com/read.asp?Id=122262 |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Tue Aug 2 10:18:48 2005, in response to Re: Interesting Find, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Aug 2 09:08:01 2005. I forgot about Bowery. It's only been the last year that I realised there is an abondoned mezzazine over there. But some people think it's South 4th or some other exotic location. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Aug 2 10:24:07 2005, in response to Re: Interesting Find, posted by daDouce Man on Tue Aug 2 10:18:48 2005. AAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!You are going to drive me to drink!! The Mezzanine is Van Alst. The Second System Photo is supposedly South 4th St (Broadway G). the Centre St photos from the site (that Ian casually mentioned, and you brought up again, are of another set of photos on the site - of the platform. AAAAHHHHHHH!!!!!! |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Tue Aug 2 10:24:59 2005, in response to Re: Interesting Find, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Tue Aug 2 09:39:18 2005. The part time booth at Utica is open 7 days a week.The part time booth at Van Alst hasn't been open in over 40 years. |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Tue Aug 2 10:32:44 2005, in response to Re: Interesting Find, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Tue Aug 2 09:39:18 2005.  =DENSE!!!!
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Aug 2 10:53:30 2005, in response to Interesting Find, posted by Ian Lennon on Mon Aug 1 00:25:43 2005. Here are some of the photos from the abandoned Roosevelt upper level station. Unlike the other IND provision stations, this one was actually tiled....but like South 4th St and Utica/Fulton, it was never used. It was for the Winfield spur, which was to be a branch off the South 4th St line (replacement line for the Broadway El).  Here's a link to Joe's other photos. They unfortunately aren't the clearest, but they are the only photos I know of of the Roosevelt station: http://thejoekorner.quuxuum.org/nyctind/roosvelt-rock-line/index.html |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Tue Aug 2 11:07:45 2005, in response to Speaking of Roosevelt Re: Interesting Find, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Aug 2 10:53:30 2005. They unfortunately aren't the clearest, but they are the only photos I know of of the Roosevelt station:More at NYCSubway.org and HopeTunnel.org |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Aug 2 11:14:52 2005, in response to Re: Speaking of Roosevelt Re: Interesting Find, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Tue Aug 2 11:07:45 2005. Thanks! Yours are probably the best quality I have seen so far. |
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