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Port Washington Branch: Can C3 fit? |
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Posted by Outside the Box on Fri Aug 17 13:16:05 2012 Can the C3 bilevel cars fit on the LIRR Port Washington Branch? Can it reach Main St? |
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Re: Port Washington Branch: Can C3 fit? |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Aug 17 13:18:17 2012, in response to Port Washington Branch: Can C3 fit?, posted by Outside the Box on Fri Aug 17 13:16:05 2012. Yes. I recall they used diesels to provide limited service the day after the 12/26/10 blizzard. |
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Posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Fri Aug 17 13:41:20 2012, in response to Port Washington Branch: Can C3 fit?, posted by Outside the Box on Fri Aug 17 13:16:05 2012. Yes they can. I rode a diesel train from Penn to Auburndale in January 2011 when the Railroad experienced major service delays due to one of the many blizzards that hit New York that winter. |
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Re: Port Washington Branch: Can C3 fit? |
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Posted by r33/r36 mainline on Fri Aug 17 13:50:53 2012, in response to Port Washington Branch: Can C3 fit?, posted by Outside the Box on Fri Aug 17 13:16:05 2012. Yes, there was photo posted of one of those LIRR Diesels traveling over that big Bridge that's along the line. |
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Posted by Train2104 on Fri Aug 17 14:12:46 2012, in response to Port Washington Branch: Can C3 fit?, posted by Outside the Box on Fri Aug 17 13:16:05 2012. Aren't they banned from parts of Port Wash yard? |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Aug 17 14:40:37 2012, in response to Re: Port Washington Branch: Can C3 fit?, posted by r33/r36 mainline on Fri Aug 17 13:50:53 2012. Here's one south of Port Washington, proof it can traverse entire line:
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Re: Port Washington Branch: Can C3 fit? |
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Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Sat Aug 18 10:48:22 2012, in response to Port Washington Branch: Can C3 fit?, posted by Outside the Box on Fri Aug 17 13:16:05 2012. When the railroads order railcars and equipment, they typically would order equiment that can be used anywhere at anytime on their system. Though AFAIK, the only place they cannot be run is on the Atlantic Branch between Jamaica and Flatbush Avenue, although the viaduct on Atlantic Avenue in Brooklyn has been rebuilt to a more stronger standard, I do believe they still cannot run on that portion. |
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Re: Port Washington Branch: Can C3 fit? |
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Posted by Train2104 on Sat Aug 18 10:54:23 2012, in response to Re: Port Washington Branch: Can C3 fit?, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Sat Aug 18 10:48:22 2012. Pulled out my 2004 ETT and took a look...C3's are prohibited from:NYP track 18 Atlantic west of DUNTON Bushwick Branch Long Beach station Hempstead station Belmont station West Side Yard 27 & 28 Port Washington Yard 5 Port Washington station 4 & 5 LIC tracks 0 & 1 (DE only, no DM) Babylon Yard 11-17 All diesels on the Port Wash must stop and proceed (restricted speed) over Alley Creek Bridge. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Aug 18 10:57:31 2012, in response to Re: Port Washington Branch: Can C3 fit?, posted by Train2104 on Sat Aug 18 10:54:23 2012. I seem to recall there an issue with the weight of the DEs and DMs when originally designed that would have caused then to be prohibited from crossing that viaduct at all? |
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Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Sat Aug 18 11:21:58 2012, in response to Re: Port Washington Branch: Can C3 fit?, posted by Train2104 on Sat Aug 18 10:54:23 2012. I cannot imagine for what logical or illogical reason they would go down the Bushwick Branch!!! |
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Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Sat Aug 18 11:23:36 2012, in response to Re: Port Washington Branch: Can C3 fit?, posted by Train Dude on Sat Aug 18 10:57:31 2012. I heard from a track foreman I know at the LIRR that the DE/DM engines are a huge stress on the track structure as well as the UG (undergrade) bridges which is why MANY LIRR structures have had to be rehabbed when they first came online, especially on the Main Line. |
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Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Sat Aug 18 11:30:37 2012, in response to Re: Port Washington Branch: Can C3 fit?, posted by Train2104 on Sat Aug 18 10:54:23 2012. Thanks for the info. They do not seem to be terribly restricted. Having been qualified in Penn myself, I can see why they would be restricted from Track 18, clearances and curvature of the east end leading into "C" Interlocking, am I right?? It should be noted it was NOT discussed when we were doing our Penn tour for my qualififcation, but it was noted that the doors are to be opened on only one side at Track 18 (north side, "Platform 10"), the only track in Penn which has platform on BOTH sides. |
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Re: Port Washington Branch: Can C3 fit? |
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Posted by Fisk ave Jim on Sat Aug 18 11:37:04 2012, in response to Re: Port Washington Branch: Can C3 fit?, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Sat Aug 18 11:21:58 2012. Railfan charter excersion perhaps.I remember hearing about Budd cars goin down there on a railfan trip all those years ago. |
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Posted by r33/r36 mainline on Sat Aug 18 11:39:05 2012, in response to Re: Port Washington Branch: Can C3 fit?, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Sat Aug 18 11:21:58 2012. Fan trip?They had a fan trip back in the day that went down the Bay Ridge line, like in the 90s, at that time a passenger train hasn't ran down the Bay Ridge line in years. |
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Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Sat Aug 18 11:39:45 2012, in response to Re: Port Washington Branch: Can C3 fit?, posted by Fisk ave Jim on Sat Aug 18 11:37:04 2012. Not with A JUNKER like the C-3!!!!!!! LOL!!! :-D |
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Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Sat Aug 18 11:43:22 2012, in response to Re: Port Washington Branch: Can C3 fit?, posted by r33/r36 mainline on Sat Aug 18 11:39:05 2012. I know of that fan trip, it was in 2000 and they used an ex-LIRR ex-MP-72 Pullman Standard coach, and the trip was run by NYAR. Big difference between that and a hulky technocrap C-3!! :-DThe trip is covered at www.oldnyc.com |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Aug 18 12:39:21 2012, in response to Re: Port Washington Branch: Can C3 fit?, posted by Fisk ave Jim on Sat Aug 18 11:37:04 2012. There was an RDC fantrip on the Evergreen branch (!!!) in the 1950's. 
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Posted by Fisk ave Jim on Sat Aug 18 12:41:31 2012, in response to Re: Port Washington Branch: Can C3 fit?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Aug 18 12:39:21 2012. Thanks for posting! |
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Posted by Fisk ave Jim on Sat Aug 18 12:46:21 2012, in response to Re: Port Washington Branch: Can C3 fit?, posted by Train Dude on Sat Aug 18 10:57:31 2012. So they are heavier than the GP38-2 or the C-420's?? |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Aug 18 12:56:20 2012, in response to Re: Port Washington Branch: Can C3 fit?, posted by Fisk ave Jim on Sat Aug 18 12:46:21 2012. DE/DM = 128 tonsGP38-2 and C420 = 125 tons |
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Posted by Fisk ave Jim on Sat Aug 18 21:00:59 2012, in response to Re: Port Washington Branch: Can C3 fit?, posted by Train2104 on Sat Aug 18 10:54:23 2012. Were there any similar territorial restrictions in regards to that hideous FL-9ac experement on the LIRR about 20 yrs ago?? |
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Posted by tunnelrat on Sat Aug 18 21:13:11 2012, in response to Re: Port Washington Branch: Can C3 fit?, posted by Fisk ave Jim on Sat Aug 18 21:00:59 2012. they were known as "starships" |
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Posted by CJ on Sat Aug 18 21:45:37 2012, in response to Re: Port Washington Branch: Can C3 fit?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Aug 18 12:56:20 2012. I have to ask, but is a three ton difference a problem when it comes to motive power? |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Sat Aug 18 23:22:23 2012, in response to Re: Port Washington Branch: Can C3 fit?, posted by Train Dude on Sat Aug 18 10:57:31 2012. You're thinking of the viaduct between Manhasset and Great Neck. Alley Creek is by Douglaston station, and was replaced since 2004 so I'm pretty sure that rule is moot now. |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Sat Aug 18 23:23:23 2012, in response to Re: Port Washington Branch: Can C3 fit?, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Sat Aug 18 11:21:58 2012. I want to know why they're restricted |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Sat Aug 18 23:24:41 2012, in response to Re: Port Washington Branch: Can C3 fit?, posted by Train2104 on Sat Aug 18 10:54:23 2012. With regards to Alley Creek Bridge, it was replaced about 5 years back, so I doubt that rule is still in effect |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Aug 18 23:24:49 2012, in response to Re: Port Washington Branch: Can C3 fit?, posted by NIMBYkiller on Sat Aug 18 23:22:23 2012. You are correct. That's the viaduct that I was thinking of. Thanks for the correction. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Sun Aug 19 00:49:44 2012, in response to Re: Port Washington Branch: Can C3 fit?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Aug 18 12:39:21 2012. I love the pics from that trip, that route looks so funky! |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Aug 19 01:04:09 2012, in response to Re: Port Washington Branch: Can C3 fit?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Aug 18 12:39:21 2012. RDC's were always a favorite to me ... air-conditioned bus on steel wheels! :) |
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Posted by 3-9 on Sun Aug 19 03:28:53 2012, in response to Re: Port Washington Branch: Can C3 fit?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Aug 19 01:04:09 2012. Were they always air-conditioned? My first RDC experience (not a good one, BTW) was on the Bridgeport-Waterbury shuttle, and it wasn't air-conditioned (opening the doors on to the rear vestibule does NOT count :-)). |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Aug 19 03:33:08 2012, in response to Re: Port Washington Branch: Can C3 fit?, posted by 3-9 on Sun Aug 19 03:28:53 2012. Yep ... that was part of the sales pitch. No Haven RR? Probably shipped it out busted. But yeah, A/C was the big selling point for BUDD ... |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Aug 19 03:38:03 2012, in response to Re: Port Washington Branch: Can C3 fit?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Aug 19 03:33:08 2012. For those unfamiliar with RDC's, that hump on the roof was the A/C unit along with the diesel exhaust. And when maintained, you'd get ice on the windows in summer. :) |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Aug 19 13:02:56 2012, in response to Re: Port Washington Branch: Can C3 fit?, posted by CJ on Sat Aug 18 21:45:37 2012. Beats me. Perhaps it's how the weight is distributed on the trucks. It was this fact that had the D-types banned from the Fulton St portion of the Jamaica line, not the overall weight itself. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Aug 19 13:05:19 2012, in response to Re: Port Washington Branch: Can C3 fit?, posted by 3-9 on Sun Aug 19 03:28:53 2012. My guess you rode them towards the end, when they were in shit condition. The ones used in the Metro North era were third hand models which probably suffered from significant deferred maintenance in the Conrail era.I talked to someone who rode them on the Port Jervis line in 1988 and said the A/C worked, but the interior smelled of gasoline (he probably didn't realize it was diesel). |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Aug 19 13:16:15 2012, in response to Re: Port Washington Branch: Can C3 fit?, posted by tunnelrat on Sat Aug 18 21:13:11 2012. Why does God need an FL9?
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Posted by 3-9 on Sun Aug 19 13:26:08 2012, in response to Re: Port Washington Branch: Can C3 fit?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Aug 19 13:05:19 2012. Yes, it was towards the end, during the Metro North era. And probably because the rear vestibule doors were open, it really stunk of diesel exhaust. Not pleasant for me in those days. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Sun Aug 19 13:27:50 2012, in response to Re: Port Washington Branch: Can C3 fit?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Aug 19 03:38:03 2012. Hm, interesting bit, I always thought the hump was just exhaust! |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Aug 19 18:17:49 2012, in response to Re: Port Washington Branch: Can C3 fit?, posted by 3-9 on Sun Aug 19 13:27:50 2012. Yep ... the condenser coils are up there in the hump too, which is the reason for the fans up there as well. Fans also help to boost the exhaust as well up the stack. They were frostier than ACMU's at Croton at sunrise and the 42's when they were brand new. :) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Aug 19 18:21:11 2012, in response to Re: Port Washington Branch: Can C3 fit?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Aug 19 13:05:19 2012. If the rear door wasn't closed on those, the suction to the rear as they moved would pull the exhaust right back into the cars. That's the reason why I loved to refer to them as "the bus."But they were great to operate when I'd get the chance. Had a friend who was an engineer who'd let me have some handle time here and there. :) |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Sun Aug 19 18:23:48 2012, in response to Re: Port Washington Branch: Can C3 fit?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Aug 19 18:17:49 2012. The hump on RDC had the Condensor coil for HVAC, the radiators for no 1 and 2 engine, the exhaust stacks, mufflers were next to one seater in middle of car. and te bell, mounted between the two stacks. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Aug 19 18:27:08 2012, in response to Re: Port Washington Branch: Can C3 fit?, posted by Dutchrailnut on Sun Aug 19 18:23:48 2012. Yep ... which is the reason for the "dividers" in the middle of the car interior on both sides. Lotta stuff inside those walls. I really got a kick though out of the motors on TRAYS underneath that slid out once you got the transmission pins pulled. :) |
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Posted by MorningsideHeightsM100 on Tue Aug 21 09:33:15 2012, in response to Re: Port Washington Branch: Can C3 fit?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Aug 19 13:16:15 2012. rotflmfao |
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