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Re: IRT-PRR Sunnyside? |
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Posted by tunnelrat on Sun Jul 15 09:01:58 2012, in response to IRT-PRR Sunnyside?, posted by Bill West on Sun Jul 15 06:21:01 2012. Where the MOW track is just as you pop out of the irt was an irt inspection shed on lirr property.half way up the ramp was a switchback into lirr trackage.the conn.was both e/b & w/b.there is evidence[according to the ERA] that the steinway cars were delivered thru the PRR tubes on their own wheels.sorry,no photos exsist of this conn. |
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Posted by tunnelrat on Sun Jul 15 09:50:09 2012, in response to Re: IRT-PRR Sunnyside?, posted by tunnelrat on Sun Jul 15 09:01:58 2012. This had 3rd.rail into the lirr. please check that book & see if there is any mention of the lirr/irt conn.at flatbush ave.with signals controlled by the lirr into the irt. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sun Jul 15 09:55:00 2012, in response to Re: IRT-PRR Sunnyside?, posted by tunnelrat on Sun Jul 15 09:50:09 2012. Would that be the connection August Belmont might have used to take his private rail car out to Long Island? |
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Posted by tunnelrat on Sun Jul 15 10:00:46 2012, in response to Re: IRT-PRR Sunnyside?, posted by Train Dude on Sun Jul 15 09:55:00 2012. Flatbush ave,yes. gone for the day,see ya`ll 2-nite. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sun Jul 15 10:03:08 2012, in response to Re: IRT-PRR Sunnyside?, posted by tunnelrat on Sun Jul 15 10:00:46 2012. excellent, thanks |
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Posted by WestCode44 on Sun Jul 15 12:28:48 2012, in response to Re: IRT-PRR Sunnyside?, posted by Train Dude on Sun Jul 15 10:03:08 2012. You believe 'him' Dude.?WE-44 |
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Posted by Bill West on Sun Jul 15 14:45:06 2012, in response to Re: IRT-PRR Sunnyside?, posted by WestCode44 on Sun Jul 15 12:28:48 2012. Thanks for the info, TR. The Triumph book is only about the PRR so it doesn’t reach far enough to mention Flatbush.Bill |
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Posted by G1Ravage on Sun Jul 15 15:26:01 2012, in response to IRT-PRR Sunnyside?, posted by Bill West on Sun Jul 15 06:21:01 2012. Why do I remember seeing a very early picture of the (7) line popping out from Hunters Point Avenue, showing this connection still in place? Or at least remnants of it. Dammit, where did I see it.... |
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Posted by tunnelrat on Sun Jul 15 18:20:47 2012, in response to Re: IRT-PRR Sunnyside?, posted by G1Ravage on Sun Jul 15 15:26:01 2012. you saw it in stan fischler`s book "the subway" it shows the structure just out of the hole being built with the switch back being built.PAY NO ATTENTION TO OVERCOAT,SIZE 44.HE IS SUFFERING FROM INHALING TOO MUCH CEE-GAR SMOKE! |
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Posted by Widecab5 on Sun Jul 15 22:04:29 2012, in response to Re: IRT-PRR Sunnyside?, posted by tunnelrat on Sun Jul 15 09:01:58 2012. Item 1:The IRT inspection shed shows up in a 1930 home movie taken out the front window of an L5. It was tucked under the Montauk cut-off right next to Line 4 and just before PRR "Portal A." Item 2: The "IRT Connection" at Flatbush Ave. Was built and did physically exist at least in my memory (back to 1979) but was long since unused. It was removed some time in the 1980's if I recall correctly. I discovered some PRR correspondence regarding partial ommission of the IRT Connection when the Contract II IRT station was built in 1907-08, though it indeed had originally been designed into the LIRR terminal. Simply put, PRR couldn't justify it with Penn Station on the way and its associated expense. They needed the LIRR to defray capital construction costs through its future rental payments. The partial connection that was installed symbolized the cooperation engendered between two gentlemen: August Belmont II of the IRT and Ralph Peters of the LIRR. There was no concrete evidence of it ever being used absent a Bob Emery notation about private charters for August Belmont until 1916. (And we NEVER question Bob Emery!!...) A removable platform covered its continuation on to LIRR Track 6 when it was active (that became Track 2 after July 1, 1978). According to another set of notes a section of concrete platform was permanently placed over the IRT connection as part of changes made at Flatbush Ave. to accommodate the BRT Brighton Tunnel at its 1920 opening. Interesting question is how the "Mineola" was moved on and off the LIRR? A set of MP-41's could have hauled it west to Manhattan. Perhaps a set of Hi-V's took it east...Will we ever know? Regards, George Chiasson Jr. (Widecab5@aol.com) |
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Posted by tunnelrat on Mon Jul 16 19:10:58 2012, in response to Re: IRT-PRR Sunnyside?, posted by Widecab5 on Sun Jul 15 22:04:29 2012. great catch on the film of the inspection shed.it probably was abandoned when corona yard was opened in 1927.i,m guessing it was used for storage by the lirr/prr untill it was no longer needed.item 2:the tunnel connection is still there,it was built over several times over the years.there is a written account by E.J.Quinby,founder of the ERA of going to belmont racetrack via the flatbush conn.with mr.belmont & company.the mineola was a powered car,it didn`t need to be hauled by Hi-v`s or anything else.later on in years belmont placed a composite car behind it in case of a rear end collision.remember,belmont sat on the board of directors of the lirr[iirc,he was a vice president]I never heard of the movable platform or the concrete platform.there is no evidense of it thru my own personal research.I.E:.well over 10 years ago I belly crawled under the irt conn. to the lirr bumper block.I don`t see why the "block" would have stopped operations.can you publish these notes? In the orignal opening of the irt to flatbush station booklet which I have seen it states that on june 25th of the same year a"special train of irt cars"was to make a run from city hall to Jamaica station"via the conn.on lirr tracks.in the orignal 1904 lirr tower at flat bush terminal it showed both the e/b & w/b track conn.into the irt. on the model boardI,m curious to know why art huneke never mentioned this or took a photo of it.thanks for a good post.my times up[library p.c.]talk soon. |
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Posted by Widecab5 on Tue Jul 17 22:13:03 2012, in response to Re: IRT-PRR Sunnyside?, posted by Widecab5 on Sun Jul 15 22:04:29 2012. Cut and paste for thread on the LIRR Discussion Forum:http://www.railroad.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=63&t=99638&sid=911ccd308da10462b589a4d2488ad4d6 This shows the two Flatbush Ave. sketches available on line with notes. Working to restore/recreate some early terminal mappage. Regards, George Chiasson Jr. (Widecab5@aol.com) |
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