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Posted by R30A on Mon May 14 17:52:19 2012, in response to Amtrak questions, posted by J trainloco on Mon May 14 17:42:52 2012. 1. Doubtful anything will happen. There was a PRIIA study though, which is on the Amtrak website.2. Each service is largely intended to serve their own markets. That said, in about a year, the services will be combined. two coaches, a lounge, and a sleeper will run through from NYP-CHI via the two trains. It will probably wait for a while in PGH, but it will be a lot more convenient. 3. P32ACDMs are used on every train using the Empire connection. That means Empire Corridor trains, The Lake Shore, The Maple Leaf, The Adirondak, and The Ethan Allen. Often but not always, they will be switched off the train at Albany, and replaced with a normal P40/P42 |
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Posted by J trainloco on Mon May 14 18:30:09 2012, in response to Re: Amtrak questions, posted by R30A on Mon May 14 17:52:19 2012. Thanks!Re, Number 2, the Pennsylvanian will be discontinued and a new Capitol Limited (similar to the current Lake Shore limited setup) will operate to NYP? |
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Posted by R30A on Mon May 14 18:50:45 2012, in response to Re: Amtrak questions, posted by J trainloco on Mon May 14 18:30:09 2012. Not exactly- The Pennsylvanian will be modified- An additional sleeper and an extra corridor coach will be added, with the sleeper, lounge, and two LD coaches cut off at pittsburgh, and added to the Capitol consist. I expect this train to have three numbers, NYP-CHI, NYP-PGH and WAS-CHI, much like other routes which do this sort of operation. They already modified the schedule to make this possible, and it is said to be the first place the new Viewliner sleepers will go. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon May 14 19:01:59 2012, in response to Re: Amtrak questions, posted by R30A on Mon May 14 18:50:45 2012. Since the Cap uses Superliners, are they going to have mixed consists of Superliners and Viewliners? |
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Posted by R30A on Mon May 14 19:06:08 2012, in response to Re: Amtrak questions, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon May 14 19:01:59 2012. Yes. I don't know if they'll cut the Viewliner/Amfleet cars in the front of the consist, or if they'll stick the Transition car on the rear and connect the single level cars to the back. |
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Posted by orange blossom special on Mon May 14 20:06:15 2012, in response to Amtrak questions, posted by J trainloco on Mon May 14 17:42:52 2012. I thought Obama expanded our service. Last I saw the Sunset Limited was suspended temporarily due to hurricane damage! |
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Posted by R30A on Mon May 14 20:10:59 2012, in response to Re: Amtrak questions, posted by orange blossom special on Mon May 14 20:06:15 2012. Yes, the Obama administration has been absolutely wonderful for Amtrak. The biggest fleet expansion since the early Clinton years, as well as the first expansion of service not funded by states since the late 90s Mail/Express expansions. |
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Posted by J trainloco on Mon May 14 22:10:09 2012, in response to Re: Amtrak questions, posted by R30A on Mon May 14 20:10:59 2012. Pardon my ignorance, but what service expansions are you referring to? |
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Posted by seabeachexpress on Mon May 14 22:26:20 2012, in response to Amtrak questions, posted by J trainloco on Mon May 14 17:42:52 2012. The P32's are on any train that goes south of Alb/Rens: No desiel fumes allowed in Penn Station. The inter city trains get the engine change at Alb, but the Ethan Allen express does not. Not sure about the Adirondack. .The P32 Ethan goes all the way to VT.The story about east of NO on the Sunset LTD. is the same as 4 years ago: The Ex-L&N stations between Jax and NO belong to CSX. Of course they won't fork over the dough to restore them in MS and AL. The states won;t pay and of course AMTK says" we don't own the bldg's so it's not my yob!". SO limbo continues. |
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Posted by R30A on Tue May 15 01:08:43 2012, in response to Re: Amtrak questions, posted by J trainloco on Mon May 14 22:10:09 2012. Damn near all the trains are longer now. Nearly 100 cars returned to service, and nearly 300 new cars on order, replacing about 100 cars. Amtrak will be able to carry more people than ever before. (and has been doing so regularly.) |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue May 15 02:28:39 2012, in response to Re: Amtrak questions, posted by R30A on Tue May 15 01:08:43 2012. Damn near all the trains are longer nowLet me know where any 16-car trains are running. |
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Posted by CJ on Tue May 15 02:36:56 2012, in response to Amtrak questions, posted by J trainloco on Mon May 14 17:42:52 2012. The Sunset pretty much is ghost train around here. Many do want it back, but unless everyone along the route somehow gets the money to pay for the stations to be fixed up (no new equipment needed since the train set needed to run to east is sitting in NOL) that train will continue to be a ghost train. I can tell you Crestview is not interested with bringing it back according to the second article.http://www.pensacoladigest.com/2012/02/ghost-train-will-amtrak-ever-return-to-pensacola/ http://www.nwfdailynews.com/articles/defuniak-47907-feb-springs.html |
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Posted by CJ on Tue May 15 02:37:40 2012, in response to Re: Amtrak questions, posted by Olog-hai on Tue May 15 02:28:39 2012. Lake Shore LimitedAuto Train So far that's two. |
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Posted by Jersey Mike on Tue May 15 08:41:36 2012, in response to Re: Amtrak questions, posted by R30A on Mon May 14 17:52:19 2012. 2. Each service is largely intended to serve their own markets. That said, in about a year, the services will be combined. two coaches, a lounge, and a sleeper will run through from NYP-CHI via the two trains. It will probably wait for a while in PGH, but it will be a lot more convenient.Ugh fuck, that will probably kill the railfan window on half of the Cap route :-( The PRR route needs a direct train to Chicago, not bullshit through cars. What does that save people...moving their luggage? |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Tue May 15 08:42:48 2012, in response to Re: Amtrak questions, posted by CJ on Tue May 15 02:37:40 2012. LSL?Lets see... 49: 1 baggage 1 dining 3 sleeper 3 coach = 8 449: 1 baggage 1 lounge 1 sleeper 2 coach = 5 13 cars... *close*, at least it does break the 1000' mark for length... |
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Posted by Jersey Mike on Tue May 15 08:43:48 2012, in response to Re: Amtrak questions, posted by R30A on Mon May 14 19:06:08 2012. This sounds like a major cluster fuck that will impact the reliability of both trains. Amtrak needs to either run real train to Chicago or just keep the existing connection. Who the hell is going to sit around on detatched coaches for 4 hours?!?! |
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Posted by Jersey Mike on Tue May 15 08:52:41 2012, in response to Re: Amtrak questions, posted by R30A on Mon May 14 18:50:45 2012. If NS hadn't pulled out CP-WEST PITT it would have been pretty simple to attach the cars to the front in both directions because they'd have a siding to pull the cars out of westbound. In fact, I don't know how they can possibly make that move because there are no siding tracks in that station complex that face toward Chicago.If Amtrak keeps the Pennsylvanian crew around the westbound Cap can pull into the station and then the east facing Pennsylvanian trainsrt can pull through CP-PITT then onto the back of the platformed Cap. Westbound the cars would be cut off and then eastbound facing Pennsylvanian trainset would pull out of its station track then back up to hook onto them. Either way they can't do this with one crew. |
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Posted by Jersey Mike on Tue May 15 08:54:29 2012, in response to Re: Amtrak questions, posted by CJ on Tue May 15 02:36:56 2012. Why fix the stations at all and just run doors closed to Florida? I doubt MS and Al are huge sources of traffic on that line. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue May 15 11:12:04 2012, in response to Re: Amtrak questions, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Tue May 15 08:42:48 2012. This has to be west of Rensselaer. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue May 15 11:18:11 2012, in response to Re: Amtrak questions, posted by Jersey Mike on Tue May 15 08:43:48 2012. Amtrak needs to either run real train to ChicagoDefine "real train". Should we upgrade the Keystone Corridor to overhead wires and Class 8 track, rebuild the former PRR west of there to the same standard, and run Acelas into Chicago's Randolph Street Station after rebuilding the power cars to run on 1.5kV DC in addition to AC electrification? Think we could get them up to an eight-hour running speed if we skipped all stations between Harrisburg and Chicago . . . ? (We're definitely skipping Paoli, I hope you realize.) |
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Posted by CJ on Tue May 15 11:46:44 2012, in response to Re: Amtrak questions, posted by Olog-hai on Tue May 15 11:12:04 2012. Yep. |
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Posted by CJ on Tue May 15 11:58:41 2012, in response to Re: Amtrak questions, posted by Jersey Mike on Tue May 15 08:54:29 2012. You tell me why don't they do the same with the Silver Star or the Silver Meteor and have them run closed doors from New York City to Florida? |
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Posted by R36 #9346 on Tue May 15 12:10:09 2012, in response to Re: Amtrak questions, posted by Olog-hai on Tue May 15 11:18:11 2012. Nah. It's Class 9 or it ain't fine. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue May 15 13:10:04 2012, in response to Re: Amtrak questions, posted by R36 #9346 on Tue May 15 12:10:09 2012. The Acela's not capable of 200 mph, nor is that "high-speed corridor" on the former PRR. Don't waste money now. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue May 15 14:54:55 2012, in response to Amtrak questions, posted by J trainloco on Mon May 14 17:42:52 2012. 3. Which NYP services use the P32DMs? Is it only the Lake Shore Limited and Empire service trains? If I'm not mistaken, I think it has been reported that sometimes a train will approach the Empire Connection with a P42 and then a Swedish Meatball (or maybe a spare P32) will attach on just before Penn Station and pull the train into the station. Also, sometimes you get a mix of P32 and P42: 
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Posted by R30A on Tue May 15 15:19:27 2012, in response to Re: Amtrak questions, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Tue May 15 08:42:48 2012. 3 Sleepers to Penn is pretty rare. 4 coaches happens a decent amount though, and a Lounge is an occasional addition too. |
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Posted by Jersey Mike on Tue May 15 15:29:54 2012, in response to Re: Amtrak questions, posted by Olog-hai on Tue May 15 11:18:11 2012. The Three Rivers or Broadway Limited. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue May 15 15:31:31 2012, in response to Re: Amtrak questions, posted by R30A on Tue May 15 15:19:27 2012. My photo shows 10 cars. Could certainly be rare, like you mentioned.Re: Amtrak questions (1156793) I have other photos that show 9 cars and also 10 cars. |
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Posted by R30A on Tue May 15 15:43:43 2012, in response to Re: Amtrak questions, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue May 15 15:31:31 2012. That is from Before the boston section was restored. 2009 or so? |
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Posted by 3-9 on Tue May 15 17:23:20 2012, in response to Re: Amtrak questions, posted by CJ on Tue May 15 11:58:41 2012. How many stations need to be rehabbed east of New Orleans? |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue May 15 17:24:35 2012, in response to Re: Amtrak questions, posted by R30A on Tue May 15 15:43:43 2012. Yes, mostly. But here is one photo from 2011 with 9 cars.
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Posted by R30A on Tue May 15 17:48:04 2012, in response to Re: Amtrak questions, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue May 15 17:24:35 2012. That one is one of the relatively rare three sleeper trains since the boston section was restored. |
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Posted by TERRapin station on Tue May 15 18:56:48 2012, in response to Re: Amtrak questions, posted by R30A on Tue May 15 17:48:04 2012. Ok. |
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Posted by orange blossom special on Tue May 15 19:27:37 2012, in response to Re: Amtrak questions, posted by Olog-hai on Tue May 15 02:28:39 2012. The Empire Builder is pretty nicely long.However, that equipment was refurbished during the Bush years when I rode it. it's nice that the eqiupment is being maintained and all, but I still don't see these new lines, unless they come by at 4am once a day also. |
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Posted by aem7ac on Tue May 15 20:09:45 2012, in response to Re: Amtrak questions, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue May 15 17:24:35 2012. That's not the LSL. The Boston section isn't on it. It's shot on the Hudson Line. |
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Posted by CJ on Tue May 15 21:17:29 2012, in response to Re: Amtrak questions, posted by 3-9 on Tue May 15 17:23:20 2012. 12 stations. 11 if you consider the fact that the Mobile station was torn down sometime in 2007. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Tue May 15 22:27:46 2012, in response to Re: Amtrak questions, posted by aem7ac on Tue May 15 20:09:45 2012. Both the Boston section and New York section are called the LSL even when separated... just listen to the station announcements at NYP and BOS.In the context of this subthread, the photo illustrates that at the very least the complete LSL can reach 14 cars. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Tue May 15 22:29:20 2012, in response to Re: Amtrak questions, posted by R30A on Tue May 15 01:08:43 2012. Of course my Ethan Allan this Sunday was only 5 cars... but I think the registration system thought it was 6, since even though we had standees, the train did not indicate "sold out". |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Tue May 15 22:51:59 2012, in response to Re: Amtrak questions, posted by Jersey Mike on Tue May 15 08:54:29 2012. Fix? Just pour some concrete, put up a cheap sign and call it a day! Who needs a building? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue May 15 22:59:24 2012, in response to Re: Amtrak questions, posted by CJ on Tue May 15 11:58:41 2012. Those stations don't need repairs and presumably they get adequate patronage. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue May 15 23:03:43 2012, in response to Re: Amtrak questions, posted by R30A on Mon May 14 19:06:08 2012. They have a car that allows people to pass from Superliners to Viewliners or Amfleets? |
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Posted by R30A on Tue May 15 23:08:03 2012, in response to Re: Amtrak questions, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue May 15 23:03:43 2012. Yes. They're the first superliner on nearly every long distance train. They have been used mid train in the past, usually back when a line was being converted to superliner, and they only had enough superliners to convert either the coaches or sleepers. |
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Posted by R30A on Tue May 15 23:09:32 2012, in response to Re: Amtrak questions, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue May 15 23:03:43 2012. Yes. They're the first superliner on nearly every long distance train. They have been used mid train in the past, usually back when a line was being converted to superliner, and they only had enough superliners to convert either the coaches or sleepers.http://www.hebners.net/amtrak/amtSUPER/hiandlo0914.jpg |
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Posted by CJ on Tue May 15 23:23:41 2012, in response to Re: Amtrak questions, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue May 15 22:59:24 2012. States on the Gulf Coast Service Plan $10.7 million will be needed to restore the 12 stations from NOL to Jacksonville and bring them up to ADA requirements. $3.2 million from the 10.7 million will also be needed to rebuild the Sanford station(the non Auto Train station), which makes Sanford the 13th station. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue May 15 23:29:47 2012, in response to Re: Amtrak questions, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue May 15 23:03:43 2012. LOL! yes. |
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Posted by CJ on Tue May 15 23:35:35 2012, in response to Re: Amtrak questions, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Tue May 15 22:51:59 2012. The stations are already in place why do you want to make 12 slab stations along the route? |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Tue May 15 23:53:03 2012, in response to Re: Amtrak questions, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Tue May 15 22:27:46 2012. Indeed both sections are the LSL as was the case in NYC times and as is the case w/ the Empire Builder west of Spokane.On the issue of train lengths, I would point out the capacities of the cars are greater than in the "classical" era. Because I had access to 1961 consists of the California Zephyr arriving Oakland, I was able to compare seats/beds with the current Amtrak version. In fact the current Amtrak train has a few more beds and a few less seats than in 1961. Conversely it would take half a dozen Amtrak LSLs to equal what NYC was running in 61. The same is true of Florida service--Amtrak runs a minor shadow of what ACL and SAL ran ,not to mention that Cut Slash and eXecute has shredded the former mainlines seriously constraining capacity. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Wed May 16 00:27:08 2012, in response to Re: Amtrak questions, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue May 15 23:03:43 2012. Since no one else said the name yet, it's the "transition sleeper" or "transition dorm" (since it has often been used as the crew dorm). I would imagine they would try and structure the train to minimize traffic through it since it is a sleeper, so I am curious to see how they will accomplish slapping a Pennsylvanian onto it... |
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Posted by WillD on Wed May 16 01:20:56 2012, in response to Re: Amtrak questions, posted by R30A on Tue May 15 23:09:32 2012. And from here the floor plan of the Transdorm: It'd be nice if they'd tag the Transdorm on in addition to the 2-3 Superliner sleepers the Cap Ltd normally runs with and the new Viewliner or two, and then sell that space. Does suck if you want a Superliner Bedroom, but that's a hell of a lot of Roomettes that'd be available. |
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