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Re: Rush hour J to 9 Av

Posted by Elkeeper on Sat Apr 7 21:31:35 2012, in response to Re: Rush hour J to 9 Av, posted by Elkeeper on Sat Apr 7 21:29:17 2012.

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They were R-32s.

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Re: Rush hour J to 9 Av

Posted by randyo on Mon Apr 9 14:17:01 2012, in response to Re: Rush hour J to 9 Av, posted by Elkeeper on Sat Apr 7 21:29:17 2012.

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Depending on what time of "mid day" you are referring to, it could have been one of the ones intended for the bankers special service. By the time the R-32s arrived, base West End service was provided by the TT between Chambers and Stillwell and the West End Expresses only ran in rush hours and Saturdays via Bway. The West End lcls returning from 9 Av for Bankers' Specials were replaced in the PM S/B by put ins from ENY Yd.

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Re: Rush hour J to 9 Av

Posted by randyo on Mon Apr 9 14:22:00 2012, in response to Re: Rush hour J to 9 Av, posted by Joe V on Sat Apr 7 19:19:17 2012.

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That was similar to what was done with the Ms when they came from the Southern Div. there was a hold put on the trains in the Nassau Cut so that the train could clear Bway trains in the tunnel and also clear Js coming out of the Broad St tail tracks. I actual practice, the trains were held between the switches to the tunnel and the switches coming off the tail tracks.

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Re: Rush hour J to 9 Av

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Apr 9 14:46:46 2012, in response to Re: Rush hour J to 9 Av, posted by Joe V on Sat Apr 7 19:19:17 2012.

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They actually did that. Back in the 90's an M train arriving from Court St in the afternoon would often sit south of Broad until a J train scheduled to leave before that M train's arrival was sent ahead and on it's way. I used to fume because it would cost me 10 minutes waiting for the NEXT J train.

Sometimes the M would not be held there, but at Essex St, where that J train was allowed to go AROUND the early M.

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Re: Rush hour J to 9 Av

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Apr 9 14:51:52 2012, in response to Re: Rush hour J to 9 Av, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat Apr 7 09:00:44 2012.

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I still think that if the R service alone is proving inadequate for Montague St demand, the easier answer is to increase R service. Given the lack of a yard down in Bay Ridge, I suppose put-ins from Coney Island at either 59th or 36th would suffice.

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Re: Rush hour J to 9 Av

Posted by AMoreira81 on Mon Apr 9 15:04:30 2012, in response to Rush hour J to 9 Av, posted by randyo on Fri Apr 6 14:18:09 2012.

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I cannot see it happening. Where are the trainsets to make it happen?

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Re: Rush hour J to 9 Av

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Apr 9 15:30:14 2012, in response to Re: Rush hour J to 9 Av, posted by AMoreira81 on Mon Apr 9 15:04:30 2012.

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Where's the money?

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Re: Rush hour J to 9 Av

Posted by Joe V on Mon Apr 9 17:14:05 2012, in response to Re: Rush hour J to 9 Av, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Apr 9 14:46:46 2012.

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Any inter-divisional train can have this problem, which is why they have never figured out how to run the R punctually.

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Re: Rush hour J to 9 Av

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Apr 9 17:16:54 2012, in response to Re: Rush hour J to 9 Av, posted by Joe V on Mon Apr 9 17:14:05 2012.

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The R line's biggest Achilles Heel is the lack of a storage yard in Bay Ridge. Except for the lone trainset stored south of 86th St, all R service from Bay Ridge is totally reliant on service coming from Manhattan being close or on time.

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Re: Rush hour J to 9 Av

Posted by G1Ravage on Mon Apr 9 17:21:29 2012, in response to Re: Rush hour J to 9 Av, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Apr 9 15:30:14 2012.

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Where's the beef?

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Re: Rush hour J to 9 Av

Posted by J trainloco on Mon Apr 9 19:03:32 2012, in response to Re: Rush hour J to 9 Av, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Apr 9 14:51:52 2012.

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I seem to recall midday R trains coming out of CIYD on the Sea Beach's express track to 59th street for PM putins as it is.

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Re: Rush hour J to 9 Av

Posted by (4) Lexington Av Exp on Mon Apr 9 19:25:51 2012, in response to Re: Rush hour J to 9 Av, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat Apr 7 09:00:44 2012.

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The only way I see anything being done is when the (Q) goes up 2nd Avenue (if thats still the plan)...

I can see the (W) being resurrected to run between Astoria and 9th Avenue or even Bay Parkway during the rush hours. If there's money available, they can even run it middays Astoria-Whitehall too just like before.

(N)-Express 34th-Canal when the (W) is running
(W)-Local, relieves the (N), replaces (Q) in Queens, relieves the (R) in Manhattan and Brooklyn.

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Re: Rush hour J to 9 Av

Posted by Edwards! on Mon Apr 9 21:06:12 2012, in response to Re: Rush hour J to 9 Av, posted by (4) Lexington Av Exp on Mon Apr 9 19:25:51 2012.

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What does the Q have to do with where the J operates?

Q is B division SOUTH grouping[along with the B,D,N]
J is North grouping along with A/C/L/Z/M]

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Re: Rush hour J to 9 Av

Posted by (4) Lexington Av Exp on Mon Apr 9 21:46:24 2012, in response to Re: Rush hour J to 9 Av, posted by Edwards! on Mon Apr 9 21:06:12 2012.

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I meant to reply to another post..

What I meant to say was the (J) probably wont go to Brooklyn and the MTA wont do any voluntary service changes until they either have a bigger financial shortfall or until the 2nd Avenue subway opens up.

If the plan from a few years ago is still the plan (Q to 96th Street) Astoria would only have the N by itself. Now, Lower Manhattan and Southern Brooklyn only have the R by itself at the local stops. Bring the (W) back from the dead seems like the only thing I can come up with.

Kills two birds with one stone and leaves the J as is.

MTA just isnt going to do it anytime soon though.

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Re: Rush hour J to 9 Av

Posted by HANDBRAKE on Mon Apr 9 23:04:15 2012, in response to Re: Rush hour J to 9 Av, posted by AMoreira81 on Mon Apr 9 15:04:30 2012.

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Has anyone from this board visited the financial district below Fulton Street lately? This included out of town folks. I have been working continually in lower Manhattan area since the mid 1980's.

Buildings that were once utilized by the financial industry have been converted to residential use. 67 Broad is only one of many conversion examples, with 10 Liberty Street, a residential tower, on the corner of William Street. On a typical school day, parents with children in tow fill Broad Street while enroute to the local school, as opposed to a pure commercial crowd hustling towards their work place. Tourists now flood the area.

In 1985 when Broad Street was still a two way street, one could not finds space to walk on the sidewalks of Broad Street between the NYSE and 60 Broad Street (Drexel-Burnham). Most of my customers in the financial industry that once called the Wall Street area home migrated to midtown, the World Financial Center, Jersey City during the 1980's thorough the early 2000's, or have gone out of business since the mid 90's, such as Drexel, Thomson McKinnon, to name a few.

I just don't see the high demand that may have once existed for rapid transit in the area south of Fulton Street towards South Ferry. Even with rebuilding the WTC area, I just don't see the work crowds returning to a high value target area.

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Re: Rush hour J to 9 Av

Posted by Michael549 on Mon Apr 9 23:34:54 2012, in response to Re: Rush hour J to 9 Av, posted by (4) Lexington Av Exp on Mon Apr 9 19:25:51 2012.

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I kinda like the following idea:

Both N and Q trains travel the Second Avenue Stubway from 96th Street to Coney Island on their respective Brooklyn routes. Along the BMT Broadway route, both the N and Q trains are express - from 57th Street to Canal Street - meaning that they do not ever again stop at 49th Street, and then over the Manhattan Bridge to Brooklyn.

This gives the Second Avenue Stubway a very high number of rush hour trains, and frequent service. This version of the N-train would run every day from 6am to midnight, seven days a week. Both the N and Q trains would run every 10 minutes for a combined spacing of trains every 5 minutes.

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I would create a new W-train from Astoria to Whitehall Street running seven days a week from 6am to midnight. This W-train would run every 10 minutes. During the rush hours to increase the number of trains, I would have a rush hour version of the W-train running between Astoria and Canal Street with terminate and relay operations at City Hall using the lower level tracks. During the midnight hours from midnight to 6am, the W-train would be extended to Coney Island using the N-train route, and making all local stops - replacing both the N-train, and the R-train during the midnight hours in Brooklyn. Of course the R-train would retain its midnight hour shuttle operation.

Thus the N and Q trains on the express tracks do not interfere with the R and W local trains. All trains that use the 60th Street tunnel are all local, while all trains that use the Second Avenue line are express. No fuss or muss between the locals and express trains.

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I would create a special rush hour J-train (or a special rush hour only Brown R-train) from Chambers Street to 9th Avenue to supplement the Brooklyn R-trains, and to provide limited service to/from Nassau Street. I'd devote about 5 or 6 trains to this rush hour only route. This would also allow the current J and Z trains to continue their operations with less interference from any hold-ups or problems with the Brooklyn subway lines.

Just my thoughts.
Mike



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Re: Rush hour J to 9 Av

Posted by randyo on Tue Apr 10 14:28:56 2012, in response to Re: Rush hour J to 9 Av, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Apr 9 17:16:54 2012.

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Don't forget the put ins stored overnight on the S/B exp tk between 36 St and 59 St.

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Re: Rush hour J to 9 Av

Posted by randyo on Tue Apr 10 14:30:35 2012, in response to Re: Rush hour J to 9 Av, posted by J trainloco on Mon Apr 9 19:03:32 2012.

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That's correct and prior to Chrystie, there were also put ins from 36 St Yd that went into service N/B at 36 St.

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Re: Rush hour J to 9 Av

Posted by zac on Tue Apr 10 14:41:39 2012, in response to Re: Rush hour J to 9 Av, posted by randyo on Mon Apr 9 14:17:01 2012.

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I vaguely recall the Chambers-9 Ave runs would be when the T was running, except at the height of the rush when it would run to Bay Pkwy. The T ran rush hours only, except it was an extended period, something like 6am to 10am and 3pm to 8pm. The TT would run to/from Bay Pkwy something like 7:30-8:30 and 4:30-6.

How they did put-ins and layups is beyond me.

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Re: Rush hour J to 9 Av

Posted by randyo on Tue Apr 10 15:00:27 2012, in response to Re: Rush hour J to 9 Av, posted by zac on Tue Apr 10 14:41:39 2012.

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I worked one of those AM runs as a New C/R in 1966. My first trip was a CIYd put in that went in service N/B at 25 Av. The train went eh Chambers St, changed ends on the H tracks and returned to 95 St where the signs were changed. the train then operated N/B as a bankers special lcl 95 to 59, exp and via the bypass over the H tracks of the Manny B to Chambers St. After a quick sign change the train continued to Broad St and vis the tunnel to 9 Av, returned from 9 Av to Chambers St relayed on the H tracks and returned to Bay Pky and laid up. Some of the later intervals went all the way through to Stillwell on the final leg. Since returning bankers specials went into West End Lcl service, 3 AM N/B W/E lcls discharged passengers at Chambers St and ran light to ENY Yd where they laid up midday and were put in service S/B in the PM as W/E lcls. Other W/E lcls ran light back to CIYd via the bridge. During this period, there were 5 AM Brighton Bankers' specials that ran N/B via the tunnel to Chambers St, discharged Passengers and ran light over the bridge back to CIY. The PM was pretty much the reverse of this process but there were only 3 Brighton bankers specials and 3 4 Av bankers specials which unlike their AM counterparts ran lcl via the bridge all the way to 95 St instead of express.

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Re: Rush hour J to 9 Av

Posted by Elkeeper on Tue Apr 10 15:43:16 2012, in response to Re: Rush hour J to 9 Av, posted by randyo on Mon Apr 9 14:17:01 2012.

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The 1964 world's Fair subway map has the "T" running Mon-Fri-5AM-10AM and 3PM-8PM. When I saw it, it could have been later on in the day, maybe between 3-PM. I always thought the "TT" short turned at 9th Ave, when the "T" was running on weekdays.

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Re: Rush hour J to 9 Av

Posted by randyo on Tue Apr 10 16:47:37 2012, in response to Re: Rush hour J to 9 Av, posted by Elkeeper on Tue Apr 10 15:43:16 2012.

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When the T ran weekdays, the service pattern varied and Ts and TTs ran to both Bay Pky and Stillwell with the odd TTs for the 4 Av bankers' specials turning at 9 Av.

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Re: Rush hour J to 9 Av

Posted by Nyctransitman on Tue Apr 10 20:47:05 2012, in response to Re: Rush hour J to 9 Av, posted by Michael549 on Mon Apr 9 23:34:54 2012.

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Too many transfers at night now and with your plan. I would revise your plan to have the "W" train terminate at 9th Avenue, Brooklyn between 6AM and 12 Midnight. The "N" train (should have only one set route) so that it should remain express 24/7 between 96th Street/Second Avenue and Coney Island via the Manhattan Bridge and Sea Beach Line (so that there's less confusion for passengers especially at Canal Street Station where it's difficult at times to know what platform the "N" would be operating from going to Coney Island.) From Midnight to 6AM I would reroute/extend the "W" train to operate between Ditmars Blvd., Astoria and 95th Street, Bay Ridge Brooklyn so that 4th Avenue/ Brooklyn passengers have more direct transfers to other subway lines during the late nights.

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Re: Rush hour J to 9 Av

Posted by Subbus aka ENY Local on Tue Apr 10 21:29:57 2012, in response to Re: Rush hour J to 9 Av, posted by J trainloco on Mon Apr 9 19:03:32 2012.

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I believe that is still the case, except it is during the PM rush........

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Re: Rush hour J to 9 Av

Posted by MainR3664 on Wed Apr 11 06:51:36 2012, in response to Rush hour J to 9 Av, posted by randyo on Fri Apr 6 14:18:09 2012.

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I don't have the sources that you do, but that would certainly be a good thing.

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Re: Rush hour J to 9 Av

Posted by MainR3664 on Wed Apr 11 06:52:47 2012, in response to Re: Rush hour J to 9 Av, posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Fri Apr 6 16:08:08 2012.

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Yes, I remember seeing fairly crowded M trains arrving at Broad Street from Brooklyn. There was a decent demand for this service.

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Re: Rush hour J to 9 Av

Posted by GIS Man on Wed Apr 11 09:19:36 2012, in response to Re: Rush hour J to 9 Av, posted by Elkeeper on Fri Apr 6 16:56:54 2012.

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The (Z) runs in one direction only, from Queens to downtown Manhattan. Extending it to 9th Av (D) would provide extra service in the wrong direction.

Bob

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Re: Rush hour J to 9 Av

Posted by Michael549 on Wed Apr 11 11:16:55 2012, in response to Re: Rush hour J to 9 Av, posted by Nyctransitman on Tue Apr 10 20:47:05 2012.

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So in essence you would keep the N-train, the Q-train, and the proposed W-train operating 24/7/365?

It is rare for the MTA to run two (2) midnight hour express routes on the same line. Only in recent years has the #3 been operated in such a manner - otherwise during the midnight hours usually only 1 or 2 routes operate over a given train line. Very rare indeed for a second "full-length" express route for midnight hour services. In this case, the #3 midnight hour route is not "full-length".

When I proposed that the N-train only run from 96th Street-2nd Avenue to Coney Island from 6am to midnight, over the same pathway that you also suggest where the only difference is that you extend the running hours to 24/7 - you say that I'm trying to confuse riders about which platform at Canal Street this N-train would run on. I don't understand who is confused.

In my case, if at Canal Street on the express platform if the N-train is not running there, that is because the N-train is not running at all. In my proposal, if the N-train is running, one would have to take the W-train (if the C-train is not running - one has to take the A-train).

The pathway and times of the W-train I proposed was a recent routing of the midnight hours W-train of some years ago - nothing special or far-fetched. As well as a daytime running pathway of the W-train from a few years ago.

Just my thoughts.
Mike







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Re: Rush hour J to 9 Av

Posted by rbseabeach on Wed Apr 11 11:51:14 2012, in response to Re: Rush hour J to 9 Av, posted by HANDBRAKE on Mon Apr 9 23:04:15 2012.

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But with the new WTC, tourists and a move towards a 24/7 residential community, that should justify the need for more transportation.

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Re: Rush hour J to 9 Av

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Apr 11 12:29:58 2012, in response to Re: Rush hour J to 9 Av, posted by randyo on Tue Apr 10 14:28:56 2012.

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I thought they stopped doing that.

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Re: Rush hour J to 9 Av

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Apr 11 12:31:57 2012, in response to Re: Rush hour J to 9 Av, posted by J trainloco on Mon Apr 9 19:03:32 2012.

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Yes, I remember them when the M was re-routed to the Sea Beach line a few years back. They ran light to 36th, where the conductor would board and the train would go into service. Still, that screws Bay Ridge.

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Re: Rush hour J to 9 Av

Posted by Michael549 on Wed Apr 11 14:56:17 2012, in response to Re: Rush hour J to 9 Av, posted by Michael549 on Wed Apr 11 11:16:55 2012.

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Correction For A Typographic Error:

The sentence should read:

"In my case, if at Canal Street on the express platform if the N-train is not running there, that is because the N-train is not running at all. In my proposal, if the N-train is NOT running, one would have to take the W-train (if the C-train is not running - one has to take the A-train)."

Mike

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Re: Rush hour J to 9 Av

Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Apr 11 16:26:32 2012, in response to Re: Rush hour J to 9 Av, posted by caine515 on Fri Apr 6 14:25:24 2012.

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Yes there is demand and 9th Avenue is the closest to Manhattan that they could turn trains. I said in 2010, that this is what shoud be done when the M was rerouted.

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Re: Rush hour J to 9 Av

Posted by Elkeeper on Wed Apr 11 17:31:49 2012, in response to Re: Rush hour J to 9 Av, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Apr 11 16:26:32 2012.

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Especially now that the Jay/Metrotech is open. Plus, more people are now living in and using all of the subways in Downtown Brooklyn. I think that there would be more ridership on the Nassau St line, if the "J" ran to 9th ave from 6AM-8PM, Mon-Fri.

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Re: Rush hour J to 9 Av

Posted by Elkeeper on Wed Apr 11 17:52:53 2012, in response to Re: Rush hour J to 9 Av, posted by Michael549 on Wed Apr 11 11:16:55 2012.

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Mid-6AM service should be: "N" to Astoria (as it is now), "Q" to 21St/Queensboro, "E" and "F" express to Forest Hills (like ye olden days!), and "G" to Forest Hills (also ye olden days!).

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Re: Rush hour J to 9 Av

Posted by randyo on Wed Apr 11 18:47:21 2012, in response to Re: Rush hour J to 9 Av, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Apr 11 12:29:58 2012.

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THey still do. I liv along the 4 Av Line and see them every time I go by there.

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Re: Rush hour J to 9 Av

Posted by Edwards! on Wed Apr 11 19:27:12 2012, in response to Re: Rush hour J to 9 Av, posted by rbseabeach on Wed Apr 11 11:51:14 2012.

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true indeed..the area is no longer the"ghost town" after business hours like back in the days..
now there are more people living there full time than businesses..from the Hudson to the East Rivers. that being said..along with Broad st station being in the middle of a security zone..it should be open for passenger use weekends.

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Re: Rush hour J to 9 Av

Posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Wed Apr 11 19:39:37 2012, in response to Re: Rush hour J to 9 Av, posted by Elkeeper on Wed Apr 11 17:52:53 2012.

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What are you going to do with service on 2nd Avenue during overnight hours? Shut it down? Not a good idea.

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Re: Rush hour J to 9 Av

Posted by Edwards! on Wed Apr 11 19:44:27 2012, in response to Re: Rush hour J to 9 Av, posted by Elkeeper on Wed Apr 11 17:31:49 2012.

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exactly...seems like such a waste for trains to terminate at Broad st while thru service into Brooklyn is more than possible during the day time hours. J service to 9th ave would definitely cut waiting times between 36th and Court st.

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Re: Rush hour J to 9 Av

Posted by J trainloco on Wed Apr 11 19:57:11 2012, in response to Re: Rush hour J to 9 Av, posted by Edwards! on Wed Apr 11 19:44:27 2012.

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Do you think there's demand for two local services on 4th avenue during the midday? I remember the M being pretty empty.

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Re: Rush hour J to 9 Av

Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Wed Apr 11 19:59:10 2012, in response to Re: Rush hour J to 9 Av, posted by J trainloco on Wed Apr 11 19:57:11 2012.

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Which is exactly the reason why the M was cut back to Chambers St. mid-days.

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Re: Rush hour J to 9 Av

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Apr 11 20:15:46 2012, in response to Re: Rush hour J to 9 Av, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Wed Apr 11 19:59:10 2012.

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For a while I commuted to Downtown Brooklyn from Ridgewood, and that was when the M still went to 9th Ave. I most of the time would get off the M at Essex to take the F to Jay St, but occasionally I stayed on the M through to Lawrence St. The train was a ghost town after Fulton. On the way back getting on at Lawrence, the train was also dead till it got to Chambers or Canal.

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Re: Rush hour J to 9 Av

Posted by LRG5784 on Wed Apr 11 20:22:51 2012, in response to Re: Rush hour J to 9 Av, posted by J trainloco on Wed Apr 11 19:57:11 2012.

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Middays, not so much, but definitely during rush hours.

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Re: Rush hour J to 9 Av

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Apr 11 20:25:59 2012, in response to Re: Rush hour J to 9 Av, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Apr 9 14:51:52 2012.

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The J train is not the answer to inadequate Montague service based on Demand....increasing Broadway line (this R service) is what the demand would want, not Nassau.

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Re: Rush hour J to 9 Av

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Apr 11 20:28:04 2012, in response to Re: Rush hour J to 9 Av, posted by Edwards! on Wed Apr 11 19:27:12 2012.

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I agree that Fulton and Broad should be open on the weekend, but I don't agree that valuable transit money should be spent on re-instituting Nassau-Montague service. That money is best spend on more important things, such as keeping the G at Church, and other things.

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Re: Rush hour J to 9 Av

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Apr 11 20:29:40 2012, in response to Re: Rush hour J to 9 Av, posted by Edwards! on Sat Apr 7 16:56:02 2012.

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I always liked the M better on the Brighton, but having two locals and an express all day on the Brighton probably was overkill.

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Re: Rush hour J to 9 Av

Posted by J trainloco on Wed Apr 11 20:34:01 2012, in response to Re: Rush hour J to 9 Av, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Apr 11 20:25:59 2012.

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I agree. If the R is overburdened, then reducing the headways is probably enough.

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Re: Rush hour J to 9 Av

Posted by Dyre Dan on Wed Apr 11 20:35:42 2012, in response to Re: Rush hour J to 9 Av, posted by J trainloco on Wed Apr 11 19:57:11 2012.

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Running the Nassau-Montague service rush hours only should be sufficient. It couldn't be just the Z, since that only runs in the opposite direction. Probably it should just be the J, running 6-10 AM and 4-8 PM. Or maybe less than that, say 7:30-9:30 AM arriving at Broad St. from Brooklyn and 4-6 PM going back (to match the Stock Market hours).

BTW, when the M to Bay Parkway ran in rush hours intermixed with the J terminating at Broad St., how did they "fumigate" the J trains quickly enough so as not to interfere with the M trains? Were there one or more extra conductors stationed on the platform to assist with that, so that multiple cars could be checked at once?

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Re: Rush hour J to 9 Av

Posted by J trainloco on Wed Apr 11 20:38:03 2012, in response to Re: Rush hour J to 9 Av, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Apr 11 20:29:40 2012.

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..having two locals and an express all day on the Brighton probably was overkill.

Were there ever two locals on Brighton all day? That service pattern pre-dates my memory (I was born in '85), but I had the map right before the northside of the bridge closed, and it showed that the Q was a single direction, rush hours only service.

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Re: Rush hour J to 9 Av

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Apr 11 20:50:24 2012, in response to Re: Rush hour J to 9 Av, posted by J trainloco on Wed Apr 11 20:38:03 2012.

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Truth be told, I don't remember. I remember the M was local during the day, but I don't know if the other trains also ran all day.



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