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Re: R46 Rollsign |
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Posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Sun Mar 18 12:07:53 2012, in response to R46 Rollsign, posted by Dj Hammers on Sat Mar 17 22:50:24 2012. Just a little bit of info beforehand - the R40/R42 side roll signs did not have a full complement of routes on it. These cars were segregated into groups by line and each had its own complement of lines on it. For example, R42: A/AA/B, CC/D, E/EE/F/GG, KK/LL, M/QB/QJ, N/RR, also QB/RR. The R44s were in three groups: E/EE/F/GG, A/AA/B and CC/D. Not sure how the R46s were arranged.wayne |
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Re: R46 Rollsign |
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Posted by Dj Hammers on Sun Mar 18 12:14:41 2012, in response to Re: R46 Rollsign, posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Sun Mar 18 12:07:53 2012. To clarify, I'm looking for post-GOH front rollsign info. |
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Re: R46 Rollsign |
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Posted by randyo on Sun Mar 18 17:42:14 2012, in response to Re: R46 Rollsign, posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Sun Mar 18 12:07:53 2012. Actually, the Eastern Division signs were all grouped together KK/LL/M/QJ/QB and the N was included in the EE/GG/N group. The E/F group on the R-42s through 46s also included A readings for the Rockaway shuttles for some reason and did not include HH readings for the Rockaway services. If I recall, the R-44s and 46s also included N and GG readings with the Queens group of readings which would mean E/F/GG/N as well as the A Rockaway readings previously mentioned. The A/AA/B R-44 group also included the Rockaway shuttle readings. |
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Re: R46 Rollsign |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Mar 18 19:24:23 2012, in response to Re: R46 Rollsign, posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Sun Mar 18 12:07:53 2012. I thought a R42 group was QB/RR/KK/LL/M/QJ, but I believe you.It means they could not use the KK/LL ones on the QJ & M, so there wasn't a bunch dedicated to ENY. They were often mixed with R27's and R32's, and on occasion everything else. |
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Re: R46 Rollsign |
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Posted by zac on Sun Mar 18 20:05:36 2012, in response to Re: R46 Rollsign, posted by Joe V on Sun Mar 18 19:24:23 2012. I don't remember any of the groups being that large.What I do remember though is that once cars were move to other lines, the signs weren't changed with the moves. It seemed really idiotic, given how much things change, that the signs were fixed to a group of cars and that was that. |
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R40 Slant Rollsign |
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Posted by gbs on Sun Mar 18 20:59:51 2012, in response to Re: R46 Rollsign, posted by zac on Sun Mar 18 20:05:36 2012. When the slant-40s were first delivered and used on Queens Blvd, the large full-size front signs (pre-bullet design) had the turquoise background/white E, magenta/white F, white/black S, and blank. On weekends, four-car R40 GG trains ran with blank signs in front. How stupid it was to order cars with huge front signs and then not have the correct display for the lines used and run them blank!When the modified R40s arrived, they had orange/white EE and green/white GG signs (again, full-size signs, but with smaller letters to accommodate the double-letter routes). |
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Re: R46 Rollsign |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Mar 19 03:10:09 2012, in response to Re: R46 Rollsign, posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Sun Mar 18 12:07:53 2012. The R46 signs also didn't have all the routes on it. I have one that I bought in 1991, and it has all the G posibilities, F posibilities,E posibilities, N and R posibilities, and JFK express. It lacks the A, B, C, D, J, M, Z, L, Q possibilities. |
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Re: R46 Rollsign |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Mar 19 03:11:10 2012, in response to Re: R46 Rollsign, posted by Dj Hammers on Sun Mar 18 12:14:41 2012. Oh. Thought you meant side. |
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Re: R46 Rollsign |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Mar 19 14:27:29 2012, in response to Re: R46 Rollsign, posted by zac on Sun Mar 18 20:05:36 2012. The reason that the cars had to be grouped was due to the MTA's mistaken idea that a map of each line be included on the interior roll sign. The size of the sign made it functionally impossible to include all the BMT/IND routes in the roll sign boxes as designed. In the late 1970s as part of the TA Employee Suggestion Program, I designed a 3 piece roll sign box that displayed the bullet on one side and a separate upper and lower destination sign. The powers that be though it was great if only an interior route map could be included. Since my design couldn't include an interior route map, my suggestion was rejected. Some years after and just long enough after so that I couldn't get any award or acknowledgement for it, the MTA implemented that design on the R-62s and 68s and ultimately on the R-40s and 42s as part of GOH. |
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Re: R46 Rollsign |
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Posted by RailBus63 on Mon Mar 19 15:35:30 2012, in response to Re: R46 Rollsign, posted by randyo on Mon Mar 19 14:27:29 2012. Didn't the R44's and R46's later get a rollsign that feautured interior destination readings instead of the route map? I believe I've seen a sign like this on eBay. |
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Re: R46 Rollsign |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Mon Mar 19 18:37:39 2012, in response to Re: R46 Rollsign, posted by RailBus63 on Mon Mar 19 15:35:30 2012. Yes. By 1987, the only cars that had roll signs with route maps were the pre-GOH R40M/R42. The ones on the R40S, R44 and R46 were replaced with destinations inside.I was going to post some pictures but I found out that my free hosting service (Lycos France) has been blacklisted by Google for more than a week! :( So I won't for now. |
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Re: R46 Rollsign |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Mar 19 20:29:43 2012, in response to Re: R46 Rollsign, posted by Wado MP73 on Mon Mar 19 18:37:39 2012. Sometime just prior to GOH, the R-44s and 46s received a sign that displayed upper and lower destinations with a bullet but these were single piece roll signs that were temporary until the electronic signs were installed during GOH. |
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Re: R46 Rollsign (R44) |
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Posted by jabrams on Mon Mar 19 22:36:44 2012, in response to Re: R46 Rollsign, posted by randyo on Mon Mar 19 20:29:43 2012. My R44 rollsign (side) is a 1 piece sign containing the route letter and both destinations. There are 2 "A" routes, and 6 "B" routes, etc. showing all possible terminals |
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Re: R46 Rollsign |
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Posted by jabrams on Mon Mar 19 22:37:53 2012, in response to Re: R46 Rollsign, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Mar 19 03:10:09 2012. R46's being 75 foot cars would not have any Eastern Division routes (J, M, Z and L) |
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Re: R46 Rollsign (R44) |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Mar 20 14:33:20 2012, in response to Re: R46 Rollsign (R44), posted by jabrams on Mon Mar 19 22:36:44 2012. That would be correct. even with the signs minus the strip maps, the single piece design of those signs still limited the number of readings that could be included. |
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Re: R46 Rollsign |
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Posted by FarRock on Tue Mar 20 15:28:01 2012, in response to Re: R46 Rollsign, posted by jabrams on Mon Mar 19 22:37:53 2012. They do have the Front signs.... |
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