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Posted by Fisk ave Jim on Thu Feb 23 17:30:31 2012, in response to Re: Will LIRR roll again in Elmhurst?, posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Feb 23 11:34:26 2012. "They are still not paying full fare (actual cost) their ride is still subsidized"Lemme know what transit system in the lower 48 & perhaps elswhere has the farebox cover the cost of an actual ride & gets along without subsudy?? MEOW! |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Feb 23 17:36:44 2012, in response to Re: Will LIRR roll again in Elmhurst?, posted by Fisk ave Jim on Thu Feb 23 17:30:31 2012. Probly none. The question is how much from the fare box, and how much from the tax payer.LION can see that city needs more tax support, and suburbanites want less tax on them. "Let the users pay". $9.00 is NOT TOO MUCH MONEY to pay for a ticket. Say it is 20 miles each way. That would be $20.00 by private car at 50c/mile, not including tolls and parking. ROAR |
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Posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Thu Feb 23 17:56:52 2012, in response to Re: Will LIRR roll again in Elmhurst?, posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Feb 23 17:36:44 2012. If you had to pay $18.00 to ride round trip five days a week, year-round, on top of your other expenses (rent, utilities), you'd be roaring a different tune. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Feb 23 18:42:14 2012, in response to Re: Will LIRR roll again in Elmhurst?, posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Thu Feb 23 17:56:52 2012. But you do not pay that price for a commuter ticket.I wish you could come out here, where everything is 25 miles away. A drive to the grocery store costs $20.00 (@50c/mi) ROAR |
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Posted by Fisk ave Jim on Thu Feb 23 18:55:07 2012, in response to Re: Will LIRR roll again in Elmhurst?, posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Feb 23 18:42:14 2012. Well then move back east & save some $$$!!MEOW |
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Posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Thu Feb 23 19:25:31 2012, in response to Re: Will LIRR roll again in Elmhurst?, posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Feb 23 18:42:14 2012. What price do I pay then? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Feb 23 22:05:03 2012, in response to Re: Will LIRR roll again in Elmhurst?, posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Feb 23 18:42:14 2012. You mean it's not 50¢/mile? (and what are you driving that costs that much to operate?) |
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Posted by italianstallion on Thu Feb 23 23:41:53 2012, in response to Re: Will LIRR roll again in Elmhurst?, posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Feb 23 18:42:14 2012. your choice. |
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Posted by WillD on Fri Feb 24 01:49:40 2012, in response to Re: Will LIRR roll again in Elmhurst?, posted by Joe V on Thu Feb 23 08:54:03 2012. It gets a hell of a lot easier when the commuters only have to coordinate their trip in to work. And of course there's always far more informal arrangements like Slugging which can enable commuters to beat this completely and utterly idiotic fare system. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Feb 24 11:12:44 2012, in response to Re: Will LIRR roll again in Elmhurst?, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Feb 23 22:05:03 2012. That 50c/mi reflects the TCO of an automobile. None of ours are top quality cars, we usually buy low mileage used cars and run them until they are completely dead.Price includes cost of car, insurance, maintenance, fuel, amortization, etc. does not include bridges or parking which out here have no costs. Given the cost of your insurance, compared to ours, and the fact that you must pay tolls and parking your TCO should be considerably higher. Actually we are now figuring usage at 55c/mi -- we use government figures to charge mileage on our cars. This amount is charged to the department that uses the vehicle. If someone wants to hire one of our priests for weekend coverage, we invoice his salary plus mileage as stated above. If I want to go on vacation, I must include $75.00 car fare to the airport as part of my vacation proposal. ROAR |
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Posted by Outside the Box on Fri Feb 24 14:56:03 2012, in response to Re: Will LIRR roll again in Elmhurst?, posted by Broadway Lion on Wed Feb 22 17:13:30 2012. You can swipe out as you exit. The WAMTA has it.If you use swipe in - swipe out system, you can eliminate most of the conductors, and move some of personnel to station agents. Shanghai Metro has a similar system. |
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Posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Fri Feb 24 15:56:49 2012, in response to Re: Will LIRR roll again in Elmhurst?, posted by Broadway Lion on Wed Feb 22 17:13:30 2012. See, now THAT is a good idea, especially because it would bring fares and headways on the PW line more in line with the subway/local bus fare. More people from NE Queens (myself included) would switch to the railroad from the bus/7 train combo. Of course, that would require some thinking outside the box, and I think we all know how the MTA doesn't want to do that. |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Sun Feb 26 22:26:52 2012, in response to Re: Will LIRR roll again in Elmhurst?, posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Tue Feb 21 16:45:26 2012. I think there's still some remnants, but yeah, might as well be an entirely new deal |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Sun Feb 26 22:35:00 2012, in response to Re: Will LIRR roll again in Elmhurst?, posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Thu Feb 23 16:34:03 2012. Yeah, and you want a deal cuz you live in Queens? What about us in Port Washington who pay $10 one way peak with no transfer to the subway? |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Sun Feb 26 22:42:52 2012, in response to Re: Will LIRR roll again in Elmhurst?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Feb 22 12:36:50 2012. Far from the truth. Try actually riding the PW branch. I catch the 7:04AM from Great Neck to PW every morning and its packed with folks reverse commuting who from appearances I would guess are less than affluent. Same goes for many other schedules on the line. Adding this station would more serve the reverse commuters than anyone else, but to be honest, they're already riding from Flushing. I don't see much benefit to adding the station |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Sun Feb 26 22:52:36 2012, in response to Re: Will LIRR roll again in Elmhurst?, posted by Broadway Lion on Wed Feb 22 17:31:58 2012. Hell to the N-O. And the Atlantic Branch was never an MTA line. It's one of the original lines that helped form the LIRR. Getting rid of it is the same short sightedness that cost us the Rockaway Branch and the central, two lines badly needed by the communities they previously served. Years from now when GCT and NYP are maxed out and the LIRR somehow still has a need for more service (and the capacity for it east of Jamaica), the Brooklyn line will be the answer...unless you really want Bushwick running again |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Sun Feb 26 22:53:02 2012, in response to Re: Will LIRR roll again in Elmhurst?, posted by Mitch45 on Wed Feb 22 16:40:03 2012. I see both being vital for reverse peak travelers, but worthless for peak direction |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Mon Feb 27 08:00:49 2012, in response to Re: Will LIRR roll again in Elmhurst?, posted by NIMBYkiller on Sun Feb 26 22:52:36 2012. Yes , Bushwick to merge with the 14Th St./Canarsie Line. A new Backbone line in that VACANT area on the map! |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Mon Feb 27 08:00:52 2012, in response to Re: Will LIRR roll again in Elmhurst?, posted by NIMBYkiller on Sun Feb 26 22:52:36 2012. Yes , Bushwick to merge with the 14Th St./Canarsie Line. A new Backbone line in that VACANT area on the map! |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Mon Feb 27 08:00:58 2012, in response to Re: Will LIRR roll again in Elmhurst?, posted by NIMBYkiller on Sun Feb 26 22:52:36 2012. Yes , Bushwick to merge with the 14Th St./Canarsie Line. A new Backbone line in that VACANT area on the map! |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Mon Feb 27 08:28:31 2012, in response to Re: Will LIRR roll again in Elmhurst?, posted by Avid Reader on Mon Feb 27 08:00:58 2012. Sorry for stuttering, nerves. |
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Posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Mon Feb 27 10:59:12 2012, in response to Re: Will LIRR roll again in Elmhurst?, posted by NIMBYkiller on Sun Feb 26 22:52:36 2012. LIRR gave up running its trains on the Rockaway Line 50 years ago. Why would they want it back now? With the A train already on the Rockaway Line south of Liberty Ave, it makes more sense to give the rest of the line over to NYCT to avoid running into FRA-compliance and compatibility issues. Atlantic is a different story since the LIRR is still actively running full train service on it. But it really feels like the Railroad is bent on cutting service to Brooklyn in favor of Manhattan. |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Feb 27 17:31:46 2012, in response to Re: Will LIRR roll again in Elmhurst?, posted by NIMBYkiller on Sun Feb 26 22:42:52 2012. Are they household domestics ? |
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Posted by RyogaRidesTheMTA on Mon Feb 27 22:40:03 2012, in response to Re: Will LIRR roll again in Elmhurst?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Feb 22 12:36:50 2012. Elmhurst (especially the "alphabet city" [Aske, Benham, Case, Denman, etc.] between Elmhurst and Lamont/43rd Avenues) has become a little more affluent with the conversions of the historic apartment buildings into co-ops. Thanks to the Vantage group/Cooper Square realty working to "revitalize" the neighborhood. White collar workers in their late-20s to early-40s looking to get more bang for their buck are moving to Elmhurst. I'm pretty sure if the Elmhurst station were to reopen, we'd see a little less white collars waiting for the 7 at 90th Street or the M/R at Elmhurst Avenue. |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Tue Feb 28 07:20:42 2012, in response to Re: Will LIRR roll again in Elmhurst?, posted by Avid Reader on Mon Feb 27 08:00:49 2012. And then what once it reaches Fresh Pond? Lower Montauk subway? I don't think so |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Tue Feb 28 07:23:03 2012, in response to Re: Will LIRR roll again in Elmhurst?, posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Mon Feb 27 10:59:12 2012. Read my post again, I'm not suggesting they get rockaway back. I'm simply saying its short sightednesa that caused them to throw it away and that now his short sightedness would cause LIRR to lose Brooklyn |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Tue Feb 28 07:25:16 2012, in response to Re: Will LIRR roll again in Elmhurst?, posted by Joe V on Mon Feb 27 17:31:46 2012. Household domestics is one of the large groups but there's tons of others. Come check it out. Some working jobs like Stop N Shop or at banks or other offices in the area. Real hodge podge |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Tue Feb 28 07:27:12 2012, in response to Re: Will LIRR roll again in Elmhurst?, posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Thu Feb 23 09:15:01 2012. Again, it won't produce much city bound ridership. It'll be more for those working on long island. |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Tue Feb 28 11:27:48 2012, in response to Re: Will LIRR roll again in Elmhurst?, posted by NIMBYkiller on Tue Feb 28 07:20:42 2012. Perhaps, yes, and then south to the BIG A, with the convention, and slots, then on to JFK connection and Rockaway.There was once a track from the Lower Montauk to the Rockaway bound track. That's one option of many. |
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Posted by tunnelrat on Tue Feb 28 18:57:44 2012, in response to Re: Will LIRR roll again in Elmhurst?, posted by Avid Reader on Tue Feb 28 11:27:48 2012. there still is,all thats missing are the turnouts to the rockaway line. |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Wed Feb 29 10:07:19 2012, in response to Re: Will LIRR roll again in Elmhurst?, posted by NIMBYkiller on Tue Feb 28 07:25:16 2012. There are also manufacturing jobs there.Some of the major Japanese companies like Canon, Nikon and TDK have their US headquarters in the area which also explains why there is the only sizable Japanese community (food, school, etc...) in Nassau. |
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Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Wed Feb 29 10:27:36 2012, in response to Re: Will LIRR roll again in Elmhurst?, posted by E and F and sometimes J on Tue Feb 21 18:01:39 2012. The Elmhurst area already has good subway access to Queens BLVD.Transfer opportunity. |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Thu Mar 1 14:44:08 2012, in response to Re: Will LIRR roll again in Elmhurst?, posted by Avid Reader on Tue Feb 28 11:27:48 2012. And what about NYA freight service? |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Thu Mar 1 14:45:44 2012, in response to Re: Will LIRR roll again in Elmhurst?, posted by Wado MP73 on Wed Feb 29 10:07:19 2012. Interesting, I never put that together. Lake Success does have Canon, but that's moving to Melville soon. Where's Nikon and TDK? I know there's some manufacturing on Channel Dr as well as down by the industrial park on West Shore Rd. |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Fri Mar 2 14:27:53 2012, in response to Re: Will LIRR roll again in Elmhurst?, posted by NIMBYkiller on Thu Mar 1 14:45:44 2012. My info was old. Nikon is now in Melville and TDK in Uniondale. But I believe the residential community is still in the PW area. It's a community of temporary residents who are here for business and only live there for 3-5 years. Permanent resident Japanese who work at those companies mostly live elsewhere in Nassau or Queens.The original Japanese residential community for Nassau based companies was Flushing, Queens. But as the Koreans took over Flushing in the eighties, they moved closer to their workplaces. By the mid-nineties, Japanese food stores, hair salons, rental video stores started popping up in Port Washington. You gotta please the wives who usually do not have work permits when they come to the US. |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Sun Mar 4 11:32:56 2012, in response to Re: Will LIRR roll again in Elmhurst?, posted by Wado MP73 on Fri Mar 2 14:27:53 2012. There are two Japanese stores on Main St here in Port Washington and a few restaurants. I had a neighbor whose family was brought here for work |
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Posted by Dan Lawrence on Wed Mar 7 15:52:02 2012, in response to Re: Will LIRR roll again in Elmhurst?, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Feb 22 19:34:57 2012. Show us the PROFF, Troll. |
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