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Posted by Newkirk Images on Fri Jan 27 16:49:43 2012, in response to Retirement of TTC H4 Subway Cars, posted by rocketdriver2019 on Fri Jan 27 15:55:56 2012. Are these the cars with the yellow or the dark red doors ?Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by RockParkMan on Fri Jan 27 16:58:27 2012, in response to Retirement of TTC H4 Subway Cars, posted by rocketdriver2019 on Fri Jan 27 15:55:56 2012. Will any be preserved? |
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Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Fri Jan 27 17:10:55 2012, in response to Retirement of TTC H4 Subway Cars, posted by rocketdriver2019 on Fri Jan 27 15:55:56 2012. Eh, TTC is still running ugly stock so it doesn't matter. Wake me up when the Flexity units show up. :-) |
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Posted by rocketdriver2019 on Fri Jan 27 17:11:27 2012, in response to Re: Retirement of TTC H4 Subway Cars, posted by Newkirk Images on Fri Jan 27 16:49:43 2012. Neither... yellow doors are H5s, which will begin retiring this year but will probably last into next year. Red doors are the T1s, which still have a lot of life left in them and will be with us for many years to come.Orange doors are H6's, which are also going soon. The H4s have mucus green doors (for lack of a better analogy lol). TRs have unpainted steel doors. |
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Posted by rocketdriver2019 on Fri Jan 27 17:11:53 2012, in response to Re: Retirement of TTC H4 Subway Cars, posted by RockParkMan on Fri Jan 27 16:58:27 2012. Not to my knowledge, although a few will be converted to work cars. |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri Jan 27 17:17:20 2012, in response to Retirement of TTC H4 Subway Cars, posted by rocketdriver2019 on Fri Jan 27 15:55:56 2012. Too bad they are 10' 4" wide. They are 4" too wide to fit on NYCT. Could use them on the C train to shift R32's to the Z and replace R42's. |
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Posted by blue8irt on Fri Jan 27 18:23:10 2012, in response to Retirement of TTC H4 Subway Cars, posted by rocketdriver2019 on Fri Jan 27 15:55:56 2012. Do they have a museum for their old rolling stock? |
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Posted by RockParkMan on Fri Jan 27 18:26:22 2012, in response to Re: Retirement of TTC H4 Subway Cars, posted by blue8irt on Fri Jan 27 18:23:10 2012. Time to start one. |
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Posted by RockParkMan on Fri Jan 27 18:26:46 2012, in response to Re: Retirement of TTC H4 Subway Cars, posted by rocketdriver2019 on Fri Jan 27 17:11:53 2012. any asbestos issues??? |
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Posted by chuchubob on Fri Jan 27 18:41:35 2012, in response to Re: Retirement of TTC H4 Subway Cars, posted by rocketdriver2019 on Fri Jan 27 17:11:27 2012. The H4s have mucus green doors (for lack of a better analogy lol)That snot a bad analogy. |
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Posted by rocketdriver2019 on Fri Jan 27 18:50:50 2012, in response to Re: Retirement of TTC H4 Subway Cars, posted by RockParkMan on Fri Jan 27 18:26:46 2012. Nope, none at all. Asbestos brake shoes were phased out many, many years ago.It'd be nice if the Halton County could take a couple of them, but they have no room. |
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Posted by rocketdriver2019 on Fri Jan 27 18:53:06 2012, in response to Re: Retirement of TTC H4 Subway Cars, posted by RockParkMan on Fri Jan 27 18:26:22 2012. Other than Halton County, which isn't run by the TTC, there isn't any. There was talk a couple of years ago about starting one, but then the Mayor changed, and he stacked the commission with a bunch of penny pinchers so there's no way it'll happen now. |
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Posted by Jersey Mike on Fri Jan 27 20:33:48 2012, in response to Retirement of TTC H4 Subway Cars, posted by rocketdriver2019 on Fri Jan 27 15:55:56 2012. If I had known more about the Toronto rolling stock scene when I visited in 2002 I would have sought out the H series cars more than I did. |
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Posted by blue8irt on Fri Jan 27 20:45:01 2012, in response to Re: Retirement of TTC H4 Subway Cars, posted by RockParkMan on Fri Jan 27 18:26:22 2012. Hmm, I wonder if they care that much about preservation. It's the only way to teach those who never used them. |
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Posted by The Silence on Fri Jan 27 21:04:38 2012, in response to Re: Retirement of TTC H4 Subway Cars, posted by rocketdriver2019 on Fri Jan 27 18:50:50 2012. Some equipment, at least in New York, has asbestos insulation within the car body (which is why we dumped them in the ocean, as asbestos is only harmful when airborne), I think that is what he was refering to. |
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Posted by RockParkMan on Fri Jan 27 21:14:51 2012, in response to Re: Retirement of TTC H4 Subway Cars, posted by The Silence on Fri Jan 27 21:04:38 2012. Yes. Many electrically powered rail cars built before the government broke the asbestos companies' coverup of the hazardous nature of asbestos used the substance for insulation. |
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Posted by The Flxible Neofan on Fri Jan 27 22:22:56 2012, in response to Retirement of TTC H4 Subway Cars, posted by rocketdriver2019 on Fri Jan 27 15:55:56 2012. Wow these strongly remind me of the B-IVs that SEPTA has, especially with the set-up of the headlights.
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Posted by Outside the Box on Sat Jan 28 02:31:03 2012, in response to Re: Retirement of TTC H4 Subway Cars, posted by Joe V on Fri Jan 27 17:17:20 2012. Swap in larger sills at the doorways and it would be 10'6" wide. The original 56' long G series cars were that wide. They're about 37 yrs old. TTC seems to retire their stock when they reach 30-35 yrs old. Some go to the scrap yard, but the H-5 and H-6 are slated to go overseas (Lagos Metro).http://www.subways.net/nigeria/lagos.htm I could imagine these running short turn service (w/ 750V electrical equipment) on the LIRR between the Queens County Line (or at least Jamaica Station and Willet Pt-Mets) and Atlantic Ave, NY Penn Station, (and Grand Central Terminal ESA level when done). It would resemble RER, S-Bahn, or Japanese commuter rail service. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Jan 28 07:46:13 2012, in response to Re: Retirement of TTC H4 Subway Cars, posted by Outside the Box on Sat Jan 28 02:31:03 2012. They are still 4" to fat . That goes for the floor level. LIRR and B Division is 10', even if they fatten out at the belt rail. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Jan 28 07:47:26 2012, in response to Re: Retirement of TTC H4 Subway Cars, posted by RockParkMan on Fri Jan 27 18:26:22 2012. There are a couple of Glocester cars somewhere. I think the MLW, H1, H2, and H3 are all extinct. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Jan 28 07:48:36 2012, in response to Re: Retirement of TTC H4 Subway Cars, posted by RockParkMan on Fri Jan 27 21:14:51 2012. Did the Canadian govt outlaw asbestos when we did ? |
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Posted by Michael Wares on Sat Jan 28 10:28:35 2012, in response to Re: Retirement of TTC H4 Subway Cars, posted by Newkirk Images on Fri Jan 27 16:49:43 2012. I'm posting the following for Mark Brader.The H-4's were the last Toronto subway cars with really comfortable seats, but also the last ones that weren't air-conditioned. I won't miss them in the summer, but I will the rest of the year. The inside door color is better described as cream. Here are all the colors that have been used: G-1,G-2,G-3,G-4 - green M-1 - unpainted (silver) H-1 - light grayish brown H-2,H-4 - cream H-5 - yellow H-6 - orange T-1 - dark red Rocket - unpainted (silver) I just did some searching for H-2 or H-4 cars in Google Images; there were lots of false hits (pictures of other classes of car) and a bunch of poor quality images, but here's a good one where the colors are clearly visible. http://torontoist.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/20120127-TTC-D4-Final-Run8-Corbin_Smith.jpg The H-2 and H-4 cars were virtually identical, except that the H-2's had some triple seats facing forwards and backwards, like the old G-cars. This meant that an H-2 had 6 more seats but less standing room. One difference visible from the outside was that the H-4's introduced a single mounting bracket for the two indicator lights on each side, marking the guard's car and a car with one or more doors open. The H-2's and all earlier cars had these lights mounted separately; the H-5's and all later cars extended the bracket to add a third light for the passenger-alarm indicator. Note that some seatbacks in the photo are orange and some are two-tone. I'm not 100% certain on this, but I believe the two-tone is the original design for both H-2 and H-4 and the solid orange ones were installed as cheaper replacements in later years. Here are some of the inferior photos that I found (bad color or too small or don't show enough of the car). All of these actually show H-4's, even though the last one has "H2" in the URL: http://www.blogto.com/upload/2012/01/2012127-h4-int-ed.jpg http://www.blogto.com/upload/2012/01/2012127-h4-seats-ed.jpg http://media.thestar.topscms.com/images/b4/94/31850cfa48eeb584c2fa2a82fe53.jpg http://media.citytv.topscms.com/images/0f/20/93843925409abb2c2af71a12c424.jpg http://nationalpostnews.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/subway1.jpg?w=620 http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5135/5497795796_12d2e13d40.jpg http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5212/5497795056_b02c750c25_z.jpg http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c9/Toronto_Subway_Train_Type_H2_Interior.jpg Mark Brader, Toronto |
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Posted by Michael Wares on Sat Jan 28 10:54:23 2012, in response to Re: Retirement of TTC H4 Subway Cars, posted by Michael Wares on Sat Jan 28 10:28:35 2012. To follow up my own post: I have to add that the table was properly aligned and the URLs were links when Mark sent them to me, but it surpasses my skills to preserve that in my post. |
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Posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Sat Jan 28 11:43:12 2012, in response to Re: Retirement of TTC H4 Subway Cars, posted by rocketdriver2019 on Fri Jan 27 17:11:27 2012. I can't believe the H5's will begin retiring this year....it seems like they just came out! :-( |
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Posted by R22 Shoal Point on Sat Jan 28 16:19:44 2012, in response to Re: Retirement of TTC H4 Subway Cars, posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Sat Jan 28 11:43:12 2012. Here's an interior shot on Flickr. I remember passing up air conditioned trains for a taste of the '70s.
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Jan 28 19:19:33 2012, in response to Re: Retirement of TTC H4 Subway Cars, posted by R22 Shoal Point on Sat Jan 28 16:19:44 2012. They should send them to Staten Island |
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Posted by PATHman on Sat Jan 28 19:31:35 2012, in response to Re: Retirement of TTC H4 Subway Cars, posted by Joe V on Sat Jan 28 19:19:33 2012. A train even less attractive than the R32-no thanks. |
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Posted by RockParkMan on Sat Jan 28 19:33:50 2012, in response to Re: Retirement of TTC H4 Subway Cars, posted by PATHman on Sat Jan 28 19:31:35 2012. The R32 is the finest subway car ever built. They should put the R32 shells back into production with NTT innards. |
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Posted by PATHman on Sat Jan 28 19:37:21 2012, in response to Re: Retirement of TTC H4 Subway Cars, posted by RockParkMan on Sat Jan 28 19:33:50 2012. The R32 is bland, mundane, and unoriginal. |
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Posted by RockParkMan on Sat Jan 28 19:47:33 2012, in response to Re: Retirement of TTC H4 Subway Cars, posted by PATHman on Sat Jan 28 19:37:21 2012. and built like a brick shithouse. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Sat Jan 28 20:11:02 2012, in response to Re: Retirement of TTC H4 Subway Cars, posted by RockParkMan on Sat Jan 28 19:47:33 2012. Yup!!That's why they've already outlasted three later subway car classes and may very well outlast a fourth! |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Jan 29 07:41:55 2012, in response to Re: Retirement of TTC H4 Subway Cars, posted by PATHman on Sat Jan 28 19:31:35 2012. You want glitz or function ? At least the have soft seats.The R40's with their "exciting" sloped ends are down with the fishies. The LIRR & MN M-1, advanced for its day, could never handle winter weather. They are gone. |
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Posted by PATHman on Sun Jan 29 15:13:48 2012, in response to Re: R32 Subway Cars, posted by Wallyhorse on Sat Jan 28 20:11:02 2012. And C riders are just loving riding the R32's while every other subway line has newer cars... |
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Posted by PATHman on Sun Jan 29 15:14:29 2012, in response to Re: Retirement of TTC H4 Subway Cars, posted by Joe V on Sun Jan 29 07:41:55 2012. The M3's are still around, and they're basically the same as the M1's. |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Sun Jan 29 15:45:28 2012, in response to Re: Retirement of TTC H4 Subway Cars, posted by Joe V on Sat Jan 28 19:19:33 2012. Shave the platforms and add A/C to the cars! |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Jan 29 15:53:09 2012, in response to Re: Retirement of TTC H4 Subway Cars, posted by PATHman on Sun Jan 29 15:14:29 2012. Yeh, BUT:1) M-3 is better able to handle snow than an M-1 with different air intake system and heated doors. (still can't beat an MP72, an 1100, or evena BMT Standard in the snow). 2) 15-17 years newer 3) Replacements will soon be funded. They will live no more years the the M-1. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Jan 29 15:53:49 2012, in response to Re: Retirement of TTC H4 Subway Cars, posted by Wado MP73 on Sun Jan 29 15:45:28 2012. Gotta narrow the truck wheel gauge by about 2" somehow. |
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Re: R32 Subway Cars |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Jan 29 20:02:11 2012, in response to Re: R32 Subway Cars, posted by PATHman on Sun Jan 29 15:13:48 2012. You think they'd like R42's any better just because they are 5 years newer ? You are comparing a 43 year old Chevy to a 47 Volvo. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sun Jan 29 20:40:07 2012, in response to Re: Retirement of TTC H4 Subway Cars, posted by PATHman on Sat Jan 28 19:37:21 2012. uhh huh...the very best of all the cars nycta ordered. the ONLY real problems they had was thar they sat a little too high on their trucks after being delivered due to weight issues[underestimated weight condition]. They were fast..jumped like jack rabbits..which brings into question why the 38s were so rough riding cars. |
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Posted by RockParkMan on Sun Jan 29 20:43:49 2012, in response to Re: Retirement of TTC H4 Subway Cars, posted by PATHman on Sat Jan 28 19:37:21 2012. Foamer Post. |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Mon Jan 30 09:04:03 2012, in response to Re: Retirement of TTC H4 Subway Cars, posted by Joe V on Sun Jan 29 15:53:49 2012. Unless they were designed for dual-gauge, it's easier to replace the trucks. From R44s maybe? |
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