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Re: Hi-def image of BMT Park Row el terminal

Posted by monorail on Wed Dec 7 21:45:43 2011, in response to Re: Hi-def image of BMT Park Row el terminal, posted by ClearAspect on Wed Dec 7 16:56:00 2011.

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' I couldn't help but notice the nice steel gate work, the flowers and such'


steel flowers?

or 'such'?????

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Re: Hi-def image of BMT Park Row el terminal

Posted by monorail on Wed Dec 7 21:46:31 2011, in response to Re: Hi-def image of BMT Park Row el terminal, posted by Newkirk Images on Wed Dec 7 17:06:26 2011.

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'to provide an eye popping image'


whose eyes 'popped'????

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Re: Hi-def image of BMT Park Row el terminal

Posted by monorail on Wed Dec 7 21:47:33 2011, in response to Re: Hi-def image of BMT Park Row el terminal, posted by Newkirk Images on Wed Dec 7 17:12:17 2011.

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no one threw it.....

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Re: Hi-def image of BMT Park Row el terminal

Posted by monorail on Wed Dec 7 21:52:16 2011, in response to Re: Hi-def image of BMT Park Row el terminal, posted by Joe Saitta on Wed Dec 7 17:59:42 2011.

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'Maybe another will pop up on eBay.... '


unless you sit on someone else's lap.....

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Re: Hi-def image of BMT Park Row el terminal

Posted by monorail on Wed Dec 7 21:52:50 2011, in response to Re: Hi-def image of BMT Park Row el terminal, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Dec 7 18:07:53 2011.

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especially if they are grains of salt....

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Re: Hi-def image of BMT Park Row el terminal

Posted by monorail on Wed Dec 7 21:53:19 2011, in response to Re: Hi-def image of BMT Park Row el terminal, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Dec 7 18:12:10 2011.

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why was the bird, 'dirty'?

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Re: Hi-def image of BMT Park Row el terminal

Posted by monorail on Wed Dec 7 21:53:49 2011, in response to Re: Hi-def image of BMT Park Row el terminal, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Wed Dec 7 18:43:08 2011.

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which is?

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Re: Hi-def image of BMT Park Row el terminal

Posted by monorail on Wed Dec 7 21:55:35 2011, in response to Re: Hi-def image of BMT Park Row el terminal, posted by J trainloco on Wed Dec 7 19:02:00 2011.

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who threw it?

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Re: Hi-def image of BMT Park Row el terminal

Posted by monorail on Wed Dec 7 21:57:27 2011, in response to Re: Hi-def image of BMT Park Row el terminal, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Dec 7 19:10:02 2011.

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'Damn, I'm jelly.'


Is there peanut butter, in the house?????

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Re: Hi-def image of BMT Park Row el terminal

Posted by Elkeeper on Wed Dec 7 21:59:05 2011, in response to Re: Hi-def image of BMT Park Row el terminal, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Dec 7 17:37:48 2011.

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On the 6th Ave el, Cortlandt Street became 3 tracks just NORTH of the station. I don't know what its 9th Ave counterpart on Greenwich St looked like before the third tracking program in 1915-1917. Anyone know which station this is?

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Re: Hi-def image of BMT Park Row el terminal

Posted by monorail on Wed Dec 7 22:01:35 2011, in response to Re: Hi-def image of BMT Park Row el terminal, posted by chud1 on Wed Dec 7 20:10:27 2011.

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'excellent picture of days gone by.'

got any pictures of days to come?

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Re: Hi-def image of BMT Park Row el terminal

Posted by Mellow One on Wed Dec 7 23:56:21 2011, in response to Re: Hi-def image of BMT Park Row el terminal, posted by Elkeeper on Wed Dec 7 21:59:05 2011.

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The 6th Ave El on Church St expanded to 3 tracks at Dey St. The Cortlandt and Rector St stations had a center track that was a runaround track in the Steam Era and a storage track after electrification. The center track South of Rector St was a turnback after electification.

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Re: Hi-def image of BMT Park Row el terminal

Posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Thu Dec 8 01:03:28 2011, in response to Hi-def image of BMT Park Row el terminal, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Dec 7 14:20:03 2011.

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As a Chicagoan, I have to point out that sign that reads "L" and not "EL."

David Harrison

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Re: Hi-def image of BMT Park Row el terminal

Posted by Elkeeper on Thu Dec 8 01:14:49 2011, in response to Re: Hi-def image of BMT Park Row el terminal, posted by Mellow One on Wed Dec 7 23:56:21 2011.

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Okay, thanks for the verification. I did check 2 different track maps before I posted. Now, is the el station in the photo from the 6th or the 9th Ave el?

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Re: Hi-def image of BMT Park Row el terminal

Posted by hank eisenstein on Thu Dec 8 01:38:00 2011, in response to Re: Hi-def image of BMT Park Row el terminal, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Dec 7 20:59:06 2011.

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And the final reason for upload speed being slower than download speed is to provide more download speed. For non-business users, traffic is 95% download.

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Re: Hi-def image of BMT Park Row el terminal

Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Thu Dec 8 01:40:45 2011, in response to Re: Hi-def image of BMT Park Row el terminal, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Dec 7 19:52:49 2011.

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Selkirk posted a good reason for cable, but there's probably something else at play too.

My full time job used to be administering a campus network, and even directly plugged into The Internet (as in, nothing but gigabit cables between my office computer and some regional backbone) I couldn't get upload speeds faster than maybe 20mbit. I'm not sure what my download was, speedtest sites didn't show it accurately and trying to torrent the entire Debian installation (~8 dvds) had the data coming in faster than the hard drive could write it... I stopped getting I/O errors when I capped it at 500mbit though :).

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Re: Hi-def image of BMT Park Row el terminal

Posted by hank eisenstein on Thu Dec 8 01:44:29 2011, in response to Re: Hi-def image of BMT Park Row el terminal, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Dec 7 18:12:10 2011.

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I'm actually on the 'standard tier' which is supposed to be 10Mbps/512kpbs. Though it's interesting that your speed, 1/4 of mine, is still a 'C'.

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Re: Hi-def image of BMT Park Row el terminal

Posted by hank eisenstein on Thu Dec 8 01:46:29 2011, in response to Re: Hi-def image of BMT Park Row el terminal, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Dec 7 18:07:53 2011.

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If I had access to a drum scanner...

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Re: Hi-def image of BMT Park Row el terminal

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Dec 8 01:48:02 2011, in response to Re: Hi-def image of BMT Park Row el terminal, posted by hank eisenstein on Thu Dec 8 01:38:00 2011.

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Provisioning for T-1 and DS-3 circuits is actually symmetrical. Cable and ADSL have a need for it being Asymmetrical due to reverse path bandwidth constraints and "concentrating" in the case of the latter. But all other services have provisioning for equal up and down bandwidth. You don't HAVE to use it all though.

After all, server farms tend to have little other than clicks coming inbound, but have to shovel a lot of data OUT. :)

Your observation though is the reason why asymmetric is tolerable to most people and why it didn't require cable to expand their reverse path to a higher frequency split.

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Re: Hi-def image of BMT Park Row el terminal

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Dec 8 01:52:09 2011, in response to Re: Hi-def image of BMT Park Row el terminal, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Thu Dec 8 01:40:45 2011.

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Heh. Somebody didn't set up their FIFO buffer properly. :)

As to the cap on your upstream, it was probably set in the Cisco nearby to cap it. The pipe itself is symmetrical, but routers can be set to throttle at any rate desired. All part of "load balancing" configs.

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Re: Hi-def image of BMT Park Row el terminal

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Dec 8 01:55:12 2011, in response to Re: Hi-def image of BMT Park Row el terminal, posted by hank eisenstein on Thu Dec 8 01:44:29 2011.

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The sad thing is that it's "turbo plus" ... I shudder to think of what the foul bird would be doing if we went for "regular." :(

But hey ... we're upstate. It's getting a bit too snowy for smoke and blankets out there.

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Re: Hi-def image of BMT Park Row el terminal

Posted by Mellow One on Thu Dec 8 01:56:29 2011, in response to Re: Hi-def image of BMT Park Row el terminal, posted by Elkeeper on Thu Dec 8 01:14:49 2011.

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It had to make two passes to see the image before I realized that I had to use the bottom slider to view the whole image. That appears to be the 9th Ave El station. The roof coupolas usually identify the line. See my 6th Ave Album and 9th ave El Album. Follow the URL links to the other libraries.

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Re: Hi-def image of BMT Park Row el terminal

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Dec 8 01:57:44 2011, in response to Re: Hi-def image of BMT Park Row el terminal, posted by monorail on Wed Dec 7 21:52:50 2011.

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Heh. Salt licks come in all shapes. :)

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Re: Hi-def image of BMT Park Row el terminal

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Dec 8 01:58:28 2011, in response to Re: Hi-def image of BMT Park Row el terminal, posted by hank eisenstein on Thu Dec 8 01:46:29 2011.

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When I worked at Western Union back in the early 70's, we had these amazing fax scanners and burners like that. It was fun watching them spark the paper. :)

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Re: Hi-def image of BMT Park Row el terminal

Posted by Mellow One on Thu Dec 8 02:04:53 2011, in response to Hi-def image of BMT Park Row el terminal, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Dec 7 14:20:03 2011.

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I believe that this Park Row Terminal is a Detroit Publishing c.1905, glass plate image. They don't get any better than that 100 years ago or even now.

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Re: Hi-def image of BMT Park Row el terminal

Posted by Mellow One on Thu Dec 8 02:11:01 2011, in response to Re: Hi-def image of BMT Park Row el terminal, posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Thu Dec 8 01:03:28 2011.

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They give em L in Brooklyn.

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Re: Hi-def image of BMT Park Row el terminal

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Dec 8 02:21:15 2011, in response to Re: Hi-def image of BMT Park Row el terminal, posted by Mellow One on Thu Dec 8 02:11:01 2011.

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Well c'mon ... Brooklyn always had trouble with vowels ... dropping the "e" ensured that nobody would mispronounce "el." :)

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Re: Hi-def image of BMT Park Row el terminal

Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Dec 8 06:52:38 2011, in response to Re: Hi-def image of BMT Park Row el terminal, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Dec 7 17:42:32 2011.

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I erred, it's not really hi-definition

No shit. What else is new?

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Re: Hi-def image of BMT Park Row el terminal

Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Dec 8 06:53:25 2011, in response to Re: Hi-def image of BMT Park Row el terminal, posted by Mitch45 on Wed Dec 7 16:19:02 2011.

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How did anyone get a hi-def image of the terminal? There were no hi-def cameras around 70 years ago.

Hey Mitch45, you're an idiot. Thanks.

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Re: Hi-def image of BMT Park Row el terminal

Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Thu Dec 8 11:22:35 2011, in response to Re: Hi-def image of BMT Park Row el terminal, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Dec 7 17:41:24 2011.

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Also why, even though I shoot at 1 Megapixel, I almost always reduce my pics to ~250 K, 300 at the most when I plan to post them. I could make a copy and keep the original at its original size (generally 800-900K), but that's too much trouble for a hobby.


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Re: Hi-def image of BMT Park Row el terminal

Posted by tunnelrat on Thu Dec 8 11:46:02 2011, in response to Re: Hi-def image of BMT Park Row el terminal, posted by Newkirk Images on Wed Dec 7 17:06:26 2011.

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Camera man should be saying"I am your father,luke."

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Re: Hi-def image of BMT Park Row el terminal

Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Thu Dec 8 11:52:42 2011, in response to Re: Hi-def image of BMT Park Row el terminal, posted by FYBklyn1959 on Thu Dec 8 11:22:35 2011.

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1 Megapixel is horrible resolution...most cellphone cameras are better than that.

You need a management program like Picasa. You can keep the high-quality pictures on your own hard drive, and use the 'share' tool in Picasa to upload them to the web at reduced resolution automatically.

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Re: Hi-def image of BMT Park Row el terminal

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Dec 8 12:06:37 2011, in response to Re: Hi-def image of BMT Park Row el terminal, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Dec 7 20:59:06 2011.

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Thanks for the explanation. My only beef with my cable high speed is the upload speed.

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Re: Hi-def image of BMT Park Row el terminal

Posted by Dan Lawrence on Thu Dec 8 14:11:11 2011, in response to Re: Hi-def image of BMT Park Row el terminal, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Dec 8 06:53:25 2011.

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Get a job, Turtle!!!!!!

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Re: Hi-def image of BMT Park Row el terminal

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Dec 8 14:33:17 2011, in response to Re: Hi-def image of BMT Park Row el terminal, posted by Dan Lawrence on Thu Dec 8 14:11:11 2011.

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It's partially my fault, I should have labeled the image "high resolution".

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Re: Hi-def image of BMT Park Row el terminal

Posted by TERRapin station on Thu Dec 8 14:58:49 2011, in response to Re: Hi-def image of BMT Park Row el terminal, posted by Dan Lawrence on Thu Dec 8 14:11:11 2011.

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Why? And why are you almost always wrong, Dan Lawrence?

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Re: Hi-def image of BMT Park Row el terminal

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Dec 8 15:32:42 2011, in response to Re: Hi-def image of BMT Park Row el terminal, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Dec 8 12:06:37 2011.

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You're welcome ... this is not to say that cable couldn't move the upper frequency limit for reverse feed to a higher crossover frequency and up that bandwidth substantially (and some cable companies did) ... but it would come at the loss of numerous TV channels worth of bandwidth, something they're not likely to want to do. Systems that have higher crossovers are older systems with dual cables and there's not that many that built dual cable.

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Re: Hi-def image of BMT Park Row el terminal

Posted by Kriston Lewis on Thu Dec 8 16:24:21 2011, in response to Re: Hi-def image of BMT Park Row el terminal, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Dec 7 18:12:10 2011.

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Paying for 15/3, not bad.


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Re: Hi-def image of BMT Park Row el terminal

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Dec 8 16:25:21 2011, in response to Re: Hi-def image of BMT Park Row el terminal, posted by Kriston Lewis on Thu Dec 8 16:24:21 2011.

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I hate you! :)

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Re: Hi-def image of BMT Park Row el terminal

Posted by Newkirk Images on Thu Dec 8 16:53:46 2011, in response to Re: Hi-def image of BMT Park Row el terminal, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Dec 7 18:01:47 2011.

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I'm Grade B.



Bill Newkirk

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Re: Hi-def image of BMT Park Row el terminal

Posted by Kriston Lewis on Thu Dec 8 17:01:57 2011, in response to Re: Hi-def image of BMT Park Row el terminal, posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Dec 8 16:25:21 2011.

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This isn't normal. I'd be lucky if I'd get up to 5 during peak hours. Maybe all those FiOS attack ads are getting them to step up their game. I've been praying and doing rain dances for FiOS to wire up Fulton Street.

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Re: Hi-def image of BMT Park Row el terminal

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Dec 8 17:04:31 2011, in response to Re: Hi-def image of BMT Park Row el terminal, posted by Kriston Lewis on Thu Dec 8 17:01:57 2011.

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I can't get past 4 in the middle of the night when the entire town is dark. :(

I *still* hate you. Heh.

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Re: Hi-def image of BMT Park Row el terminal

Posted by monorail on Thu Dec 8 17:56:46 2011, in response to Re: Hi-def image of BMT Park Row el terminal, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Dec 8 06:52:38 2011.

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new york
new jersey
new mexico

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Re: Hi-def image of BMT Park Row el terminal

Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Thu Dec 8 23:47:21 2011, in response to Re: Hi-def image of BMT Park Row el terminal, posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Dec 8 01:52:09 2011.

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I checked the configs of all of the devices under my control, there was no such cap. It may have been on the next provider's end, but the question would be... why?? Afaik we paid for symmetric.. and even if we didn't, once you get on the level of buying gigabits of bandwidth, they don't cap you, they simply meter it. They *want* you to cross your limit so they can send you the overage bill (which can easily get to $tens of thousands).

Since it wasn't impacting customers no one gave enough of a crap to look into it further.

Error counts weren't incrementing either, so it probably wasn't a physical problem.

I guess I regret that the most, never figuring out why the upload sucked...

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Re: Hi-def image of BMT Park Row el terminal

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Dec 9 00:19:42 2011, in response to Re: Hi-def image of BMT Park Row el terminal, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Thu Dec 8 23:47:21 2011.

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Dunno what to tell you, but someone was capping it. Last time I paid for a DS3 @ 144Mbps, I made sure I was getting that both ways. And we did. And that's the max ... we'd have had to buy another pipe to get more. Sounds like you guys were getting stiffed though if the limit wasn't in your plant.

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Re: Hi-def image of BMT Park Row el terminal

Posted by Dan Lawrence on Wed Dec 14 21:45:10 2011, in response to Re: Hi-def image of BMT Park Row el terminal, posted by TERRapin station on Thu Dec 8 14:58:49 2011.

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You are a PITA to everyone here and on OTChat. No one here likes you. We hope the Arnie trips are always on Saturdays so you can't ride in it.

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Re: Hi-def image of BMT Park Row el terminal

Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Dec 14 22:18:36 2011, in response to Re: Hi-def image of BMT Park Row el terminal, posted by Dan Lawrence on Wed Dec 14 21:45:10 2011.

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Why? And why are you almost always wrong, Dan Lawrence?

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Re: Hi-def image of BMT Park Row el terminal

Posted by Dan Lawrence on Sun Dec 18 15:49:16 2011, in response to Re: Hi-def image of BMT Park Row el terminal, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Dec 14 22:18:36 2011.

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Totally predicable. Like a moth to a flame. You have never met me, you could not pick me out of a lineup. I feel sorry for your son, he has you for a father.

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Re: Hi-def image of BMT Park Row el terminal

Posted by Elkeeper on Sun Dec 18 16:53:38 2011, in response to Re: Hi-def image of BMT Park Row el terminal, posted by Dan Lawrence on Sun Dec 18 15:49:16 2011.

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Now, we don't know that for sure, Dan- the kid's real father being Terp!

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Re: Hi-def image of BMT Park Row el terminal

Posted by Joe Saitta on Sun Dec 18 16:59:16 2011, in response to Re: Hi-def image of BMT Park Row el terminal, posted by Elkeeper on Sun Dec 18 16:53:38 2011.

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Artificial insemination is in vogue these days, as are borrowed men.

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