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Re: ISSUE AT FOREST HILLS

Posted by SubBus aka ENY Local on Mon Mar 14 09:50:57 2011, in response to Re: ISSUE AT FOREST HILLS, posted by Railman718 on Mon Mar 14 09:45:00 2011.

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Well, u picked the right weekend to be away........

Especially Saturday.......

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Re: ISSUE AT FOREST HILLS

Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Mar 14 09:52:42 2011, in response to Re: ISSUE AT FOREST HILLS, posted by BigBusDriver on Mon Mar 14 09:50:34 2011.

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LOL @ you not being able to answer the questions. Quite telling.

How do you know I don't work in a messenger room? Why are you wrong so often?

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Re: ISSUE AT FOREST HILLS

Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Mon Mar 14 09:52:50 2011, in response to Re: ISSUE AT FOREST HILLS, posted by Railman718 on Mon Mar 14 09:45:00 2011.

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Niiiiiiiiiiiiiiiice!!! :-)



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Re: ISSUE AT FOREST HILLS

Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Mon Mar 14 09:54:10 2011, in response to Re: ISSUE AT FOREST HILLS, posted by SubBus aka ENY Local on Mon Mar 14 09:50:57 2011.

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Supposed to hit the 70s at least 1 day later this week, and 60s too.

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Re: ISSUE AT FOREST HILLS

Posted by Railman718 on Mon Mar 14 09:54:57 2011, in response to Re: ISSUE AT FOREST HILLS, posted by SubBus aka ENY Local on Mon Mar 14 09:50:57 2011.

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Oh i can imagine one question no interval i know of invovled yes?

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Re: ISSUE AT FOREST HILLS

Posted by Dutchrailnut on Mon Mar 14 09:56:21 2011, in response to Re: ISSUE AT FOREST HILLS, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Mon Mar 14 08:48:39 2011.

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lets not get into engineers vs conductors but refere to the letter from NYCLU read paragraph after Mr.Dun 's signature.

http://www.lirrhistory.com/photog.pdf

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Re: ISSUE AT FOREST HILLS

Posted by Dutchrailnut on Mon Mar 14 09:57:27 2011, in response to Re: ISSUE AT FOREST HILLS, posted by BigBusDriver on Mon Mar 14 08:59:41 2011.

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The memo is also like 6 years old and several other memo's issued.
http://www.lirrhistory.com/photog.pdf

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Re: ISSUE AT FOREST HILLS

Posted by Dutchrailnut on Mon Mar 14 09:58:14 2011, in response to Re: ISSUE AT FOREST HILLS, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Mon Mar 14 09:03:19 2011.

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http://www.lirrhistory.com/photog.pdf read instead of spewing mis-information.

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Re: ISSUE AT FOREST HILLS

Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Mar 14 10:00:05 2011, in response to Re: ISSUE AT FOREST HILLS, posted by Dutchrailnut on Mon Mar 14 09:56:21 2011.

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but refere to the letter from NYCLU read paragraph after Mr.Dun 's signature.

Now YOU read the third page of the PDF.

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Re: ISSUE AT FOREST HILLS

Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Mar 14 10:00:54 2011, in response to Re: ISSUE AT FOREST HILLS, posted by Dutchrailnut on Mon Mar 14 09:58:14 2011.

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He wasn't spewing mis-information. YOU are (as usual).

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Re: ISSUE AT FOREST HILLS

Posted by Dutchrailnut on Mon Mar 14 10:03:06 2011, in response to Re: ISSUE AT FOREST HILLS, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Mar 14 10:00:05 2011.

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May I remind you Chief Kevin McConville was fired and his policies no longer stand, several other memo's were issued of which you have no knowledge.

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Re: ISSUE AT FOREST HILLS

Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Mon Mar 14 10:03:23 2011, in response to Re: ISSUE AT FOREST HILLS, posted by Dutchrailnut on Mon Mar 14 09:56:21 2011.

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It is very open to discussion, both have equal weight in incidents like this, and sadly both crafts suffer from having people who are misguided and misinformed, and the photography notice issued in 2006 by then MTA/MTA PD Chief of Department Kevin McConville was issued and posted at ALL the crew sign on locations, I myself seen it at Stamford, NH, GCT and Harmon, safe to say it did go out to the other locations as well. Problem is both crafts have people who do not bother to read it, thus things like this result. So to a degree it should be discussed, and maybe someday our crafts will wake up and read notices the company issues!! Maybe less people will get in trouble otherwise!!

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Re: ISSUE AT FOREST HILLS

Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Mon Mar 14 10:03:55 2011, in response to Re: ISSUE AT FOREST HILLS, posted by Dutchrailnut on Mon Mar 14 09:57:27 2011.

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And remember......."Effective Until Superceded"

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Re: ISSUE AT FOREST HILLS

Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Mon Mar 14 10:06:00 2011, in response to Re: ISSUE AT FOREST HILLS, posted by Dutchrailnut on Mon Mar 14 09:58:14 2011.

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Dutch, do tell me what misinformation was I spewing??? Everything I said was 110% in concert with notices that have been issues by those up above us. Again, the problem is not the company and policy, the problem lies with those among US!!! THOSE are who stay misinformed!! All you did by posting those notices is back up my point!! I thank you for that!!

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Re: ISSUE AT FOREST HILLS

Posted by Dutchrailnut on Mon Mar 14 10:06:38 2011, in response to Re: ISSUE AT FOREST HILLS, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Mon Mar 14 10:03:23 2011.

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hmm you want to discuss what is posted on company bulletin boards ?? your career may be short ...

http://www.mta.info/mta/security/index.html

btw I posted those memo's

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Re: ISSUE AT FOREST HILLS

Posted by Dutchrailnut on Mon Mar 14 10:08:02 2011, in response to Re: ISSUE AT FOREST HILLS, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Mon Mar 14 10:03:55 2011.

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those memo's are not issued to joe blow like you and me.
or john Q public.

The original memo I posted to try to get crews to back off.


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Re: ISSUE AT FOREST HILLS

Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Mon Mar 14 10:10:04 2011, in response to Re: ISSUE AT FOREST HILLS, posted by Dutchrailnut on Mon Mar 14 10:03:06 2011.

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Well, if this is true, do email me these notices, because I damn sure have never seen them posted anywhere nor know of the existence of such!! Sounds like you are putting forth misinformation!! Unless you have these notices or can obtain them, YOU are misinforming people, and it is that ignorance that is starting the problems that warranted the original thread, and many incidents like it.

And again, notices are in effect until superceded, and you know this!! Until a notice comes forth to replace this one, it is still effective.

If you cannot come forth with such notices, please refer me to who can, for my own knowledge and info, because something like this would indeed have an effect on crews and performance of duty, and I am rather astonished if such notices you claim exist, why they have not been issued to the people to whom they would directly affect???

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Re: ISSUE AT FOREST HILLS

Posted by BigBusDriver on Mon Mar 14 10:11:12 2011, in response to Re: ISSUE AT FOREST HILLS, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Mar 14 09:52:42 2011.

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OK, I'll bite. Do you work in the mailroom?
I am wrong so often because I grew up in a zero parent home and the only source of info was an old Funk & Wagnell's encyclopedia set, missing some volumes.
Satisfied? Thanks for bringing back thoughts of my traumatic youth.

STILL
LOL@BREE-ANNE

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Re: ISSUE AT FOREST HILLS

Posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Mar 14 10:13:41 2011, in response to Re: ISSUE AT FOREST HILLS, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Mon Mar 14 08:48:39 2011.

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Some NJT engineer pulled that crap on at Hoboken years ago & told some cop I was standing in front of his train. Interestingly enough he wasn't man enough to confront me face-to-face when I was taking his locomotive's picture.

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Re: ISSUE AT FOREST HILLS

Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Mon Mar 14 10:13:47 2011, in response to Re: ISSUE AT FOREST HILLS, posted by Dutchrailnut on Mon Mar 14 10:06:38 2011.

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Maybe you misunderstood.......I said if you know of them, EMAIL THEM!! And if they are on the bulletin boards, why would I be speaking of this???? Obviously I look at them enough to know no new notice about photography is there, and the only one I have seen was the 2006 notice.

My career is good, because this proves I do what MANY others do not do, and that is actually look at the boards!! Again, your feedback in this thread has done nothing but to once again support my points and stance on this matter.

And you have access to the bulletin boards only supervision I thought had access to for posting company information???? Interesting!!!

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Re: ISSUE AT FOREST HILLS

Posted by Dutchrailnut on Mon Mar 14 10:15:33 2011, in response to Re: ISSUE AT FOREST HILLS, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Mon Mar 14 10:10:04 2011.

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They were issued to police officers in all dept including MTA NYPD and locals at outlying places, they do not affect ticket collectors.
our own(MNCR) instructions govern including "see something say something".
http://www.mta.info/mta/security/index.html

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Re: ISSUE AT FOREST HILLS

Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Mon Mar 14 10:15:46 2011, in response to Re: ISSUE AT FOREST HILLS, posted by Dutchrailnut on Mon Mar 14 10:08:02 2011.

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I spread the word about the photography memo longer than you have, especially when photography was never deemed illegal on our property in the first place. The notice coming out further confirmed what I said. People just choose not to take words or read notices until they find themselves in trouble for violating policies they were too ignorant to read!!

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Re: ISSUE AT FOREST HILLS

Posted by Dutchrailnut on Mon Mar 14 10:16:55 2011, in response to Re: ISSUE AT FOREST HILLS, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Mon Mar 14 10:13:47 2011.

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They were not posted under glass but next to the cars for sale and retirement collections ;-)

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Re: ISSUE AT FOREST HILLS

Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Mon Mar 14 10:24:03 2011, in response to Re: ISSUE AT FOREST HILLS, posted by Dutchrailnut on Mon Mar 14 10:15:33 2011.

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Please stop posting that web address (or in the least learn to link it), because for one, no one did anything wrong except the person who made the call, and again I am quite sure I know why they did and whom it was who did it, and the police who stated a permit is needed to take photos on MTA property when that could not be more further from the truth!! Again, I thank you for constantly proving my point, Dutch!! And please, tell me where I can find a bulletin board which has a new notice about photography (superceding the previous one) and the company's stand on it, because every place I look, I still have not seen such!!

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Re: ISSUE AT FOREST HILLS

Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Mon Mar 14 10:27:39 2011, in response to Re: ISSUE AT FOREST HILLS, posted by Dutchrailnut on Mon Mar 14 10:16:55 2011.

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Well, much like everything on those boards, they had to have been removed, because again I have not seen them, yet a few times I have seen less than flattering things written about people on them (identities withheld) especially in Danbury and Stamford, so obviously I do check the boards!! ;-)

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Re: ISSUE AT FOREST HILLS

Posted by Dutchrailnut on Mon Mar 14 10:35:13 2011, in response to Re: ISSUE AT FOREST HILLS, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Mon Mar 14 10:27:39 2011.

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Again are you willing to shorten your career by discussing what is posted in crew rooms and register rooms ???? ??

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Re: ISSUE AT FOREST HILLS

Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Mon Mar 14 10:39:06 2011, in response to Re: ISSUE AT FOREST HILLS, posted by Dutchrailnut on Mon Mar 14 07:29:32 2011.

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Has nothing to do with conscience!!! If you are law abiding, minding your business, and in no way committing illegal acts, and all of a sudden you are being questioned without any merit or reason for the questioning, it is stressing. How would you feel if you are in a legal spot, enjoying your hobby and all of a sudden law enforcement comes and questions you??? Would you feel it is justified knowing you did nothing wrong??? The couple of times (3 in total) I was ever questioned, I remained calm, and was even more open with them about what it is I was doing more than they even expected, and you know what??? I was left alone, and continued to do what I do when I railfan!! Sure, I remained calm and courteous (so it is clear to some here, I am not saying anyone else did not do same!!), but yes I felt it was unjustified and with no reason or merit at I have not nor would do anything wrong or illegal!!

I totally understand they have jobs to do, and I respect that, but let's face it, how often does the MTA PD effectively do their jobs??? Believe me, you do not want me to provide answers to that question, and knowledge I have to totally back up my answers, and even employees in dozens who can back my answer!! They hassle photographers in legal areas taking photographs (which is LEGAL on MTA property!!), yet when us crews have problems on the train, up to and including violent acts or threats of violent acts, they are no where to be found!!!

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Re: ISSUE AT FOREST HILLS

Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Mon Mar 14 10:43:00 2011, in response to Re: ISSUE AT FOREST HILLS, posted by Dutchrailnut on Mon Mar 14 10:35:13 2011.

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Unlike you, I have not spoken in company-verbatim details about any rule or policy, spoken of and posted written rules verbatim almost like "someone" copied and pasted them direct from the book, nor am I being watched for same by those higher up!! I think you should ask yourself that, as you have the history of posting stuff both here and RAILROAD.NET that you should not have been posting!!

RULE E, good buddy!! I think for the protection YOUR career, you should read it!!! Just because you got stranded trains out of Danbury, doesn't mean you are immune to the company disciplinary machine!! I have no record with them, how about you????? I am unknown upstairs!!! What about you????

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Re: ISSUE AT FOREST HILLS

Posted by Dutchrailnut on Mon Mar 14 10:46:00 2011, in response to Re: ISSUE AT FOREST HILLS, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Mon Mar 14 10:43:00 2011.

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Don't worry what I do , account for your own actions.


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Company Discipline Machine

Posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Mar 14 10:48:07 2011, in response to Re: ISSUE AT FOREST HILLS, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Mon Mar 14 10:43:00 2011.

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Re: ISSUE AT FOREST HILLS

Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Mon Mar 14 10:48:59 2011, in response to Re: ISSUE AT FOREST HILLS, posted by Dutchrailnut on Mon Mar 14 10:46:00 2011.

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What actions?? What details have I disclosed?? Did I speak of anything specific??? Did I divulge anything specific and detailed?? Again, I have not even come close to your reputation for posting stuff on this forum that is company sensitive.

Take your own advice, Dutch!! And again, I extend my thanks to you for backing up all my points here today.

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Re: ISSUE AT FOREST HILLS

Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Mon Mar 14 10:59:29 2011, in response to Re: ISSUE AT FOREST HILLS, posted by BMTLines on Sun Mar 13 22:51:09 2011.

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I totally agree with this post!! Photography is illegal and I really wish my colleagues from all departments and crafts would simply read AND UNDERSTAND rules and policies!!!

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Re: ISSUE AT FOREST HILLS

Posted by BigBusDriver on Mon Mar 14 11:02:25 2011, in response to Re: ISSUE AT FOREST HILLS, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Mon Mar 14 10:59:29 2011.

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ummm.... Paul.... psssst- shouldn't you have said "Photography is legal" instead of "Photography is illegal"?
Better duck! I see knives and arrows headed yer way!!!

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TYPO : Re: ISSUE AT FOREST HILLS

Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Mon Mar 14 11:05:38 2011, in response to Re: ISSUE AT FOREST HILLS, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Mon Mar 14 10:59:29 2011.

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Lemme clear up an error here........

Original post:

I totally agree with this post!! Photography is illegal and I really wish my colleagues from all departments and crafts would simply read AND UNDERSTAND rules and policies!!!

What I meant to say:

I totally agree with this post!! Photography is legal and I really wish my colleagues from all departments and crafts would simply read AND UNDERSTAND rules and policies!!!

My mistake!! :-)



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Re: TYPO : Re: ISSUE AT FOREST HILLS

Posted by Fred G on Mon Mar 14 11:06:42 2011, in response to TYPO : Re: ISSUE AT FOREST HILLS, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Mon Mar 14 11:05:38 2011.

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LOL, we know.

your pal,
Fred

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Re: TYPO : Re: ISSUE AT FOREST HILLS

Posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Mar 14 11:14:03 2011, in response to TYPO : Re: ISSUE AT FOREST HILLS, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Mon Mar 14 11:05:38 2011.

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Miss Steaks are a thing up with which leopards will not put!







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Re: TYPO : Re: ISSUE AT FOREST HILLS

Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Mon Mar 14 11:27:45 2011, in response to Re: TYPO : Re: ISSUE AT FOREST HILLS, posted by Fred G on Mon Mar 14 11:06:42 2011.

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LOL!!! :-D

Just making sure some do not misinterpret (because God knows no one on Subchat has ever done that before!!! :-D)

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Re: TYPO : Re: ISSUE AT FOREST HILLS

Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Mon Mar 14 11:28:13 2011, in response to Re: TYPO : Re: ISSUE AT FOREST HILLS, posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Mar 14 11:14:03 2011.

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I think it needs an Angus steak!! :-D

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Re: TYPO : Re: ISSUE AT FOREST HILLS

Posted by Teddmann on Mon Mar 14 12:08:52 2011, in response to Re: TYPO : Re: ISSUE AT FOREST HILLS, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Mon Mar 14 11:28:13 2011.

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>>I think it needs an Angus steak!!

Maybe the leopard would prefer an Angus Young??



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Re: ISSUE AT FOREST HILLS

Posted by BMTLines on Mon Mar 14 12:35:42 2011, in response to Re: ISSUE AT FOREST HILLS, posted by BigBusDriver on Mon Mar 14 11:02:25 2011.

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LOL - I knew what he meant :)

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Re: ISSUE AT FOREST HILLS

Posted by BMTLines on Mon Mar 14 12:44:13 2011, in response to Re: ISSUE AT FOREST HILLS, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Mon Mar 14 10:10:04 2011.

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TOTALLY IRRELEVANT. He signed a letter to the NYCLU that committed the MTA to abide by it. IF the MTA chooses to rescind its agreement with the NYCLU then they should state it. Agreements do not terminate simply because the individual who signed them is no longer employed.

Continuing to harass photographers places the MTA in breach of that agreement. I don't have any particular desire to photograph the LIRR but I may be out there this summer to test the agreement and file a lawsuit if I am harassed!

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Re: ISSUE AT FOREST HILLS

Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Mon Mar 14 12:46:34 2011, in response to Re: ISSUE AT FOREST HILLS, posted by BMTLines on Mon Mar 14 12:44:13 2011.

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Thank you for supporting my defense of this as well. I told Dutch notices are in effect until superceded and he knows this!!

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Re: ISSUE AT FOREST HILLS

Posted by BMTLines on Mon Mar 14 12:47:58 2011, in response to Re: ISSUE AT FOREST HILLS, posted by Dutchrailnut on Mon Mar 14 10:15:33 2011.

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Thank you for that information. If I am harassed I will instruct my attorney to subpoena those memos and use them as evidence against the MTA when I sue them!!

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Re: ISSUE AT FOREST HILLS

Posted by arnine on Mon Mar 14 12:56:03 2011, in response to Re: ISSUE AT FOREST HILLS, posted by Railman718 on Mon Mar 14 09:45:00 2011.

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Enjoy your time and pls come back to NYC and not to the next stop pls lol If you're in Ft Lauderdale pls say hi to my grandmother :)

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Re: ISSUE AT FOREST HILLS

Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Mon Mar 14 13:22:32 2011, in response to Re: ISSUE AT FOREST HILLS, posted by Jersey Mike on Sun Mar 13 22:28:31 2011.

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Why? To me, it sounds like they were doing exactly their job, and not exceeding authority nor violating anyone's rights whatsoever. They didn't even ask for ID.

Hey what're you doing here?
"Taking pictures of trains. It's perfectly legal."
[Other conversation so the officer can get an idea of whether or not you're a threat]
Have a nice day.

All of these interactions should go this way.



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Re: Company Discipline Machine

Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon Mar 14 13:23:48 2011, in response to Company Discipline Machine, posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Mar 14 10:48:07 2011.

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Nice kitty....

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Re: ISSUE AT FOREST HILLS

Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Mon Mar 14 13:29:34 2011, in response to Re: ISSUE AT FOREST HILLS, posted by Dutchrailnut on Mon Mar 14 09:58:14 2011.

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Not sure how far you read that, Dutch, but it does indeed say a permit is not required.

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Re: ISSUE AT FOREST HILLS

Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Mon Mar 14 13:37:11 2011, in response to Re: ISSUE AT FOREST HILLS, posted by BigBusDriver on Mon Mar 14 09:43:22 2011.

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Having had such a job, it's pretty much the same thing.

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Re: ISSUE AT FOREST HILLS

Posted by BMTLines on Mon Mar 14 13:38:37 2011, in response to Re: ISSUE AT FOREST HILLS, posted by Dutchrailnut on Mon Mar 14 09:58:14 2011.

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And where does that state that a permit is required?

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Re: ISSUE AT FOREST HILLS

Posted by Edwards! on Mon Mar 14 14:27:22 2011, in response to Re: ISSUE AT FOREST HILLS, posted by BigBusDriver on Mon Mar 14 08:59:41 2011.

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its been tossed about for a few years now on almost every message board concerning the subject..

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