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Re: Mythbusters? (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street) |
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Posted by tunnelrat on Sun Jan 23 12:06:16 2011, in response to Re: Mythbusters? (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street), posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Sun Jan 23 11:59:55 2011. my eyes popped out of my head!whoever did the research HAD to be a subway buff. |
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Posted by LRG5784 on Sun Jan 23 12:09:54 2011, in response to Re: Mythbusters? (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street), posted by tunnelrat on Sun Jan 23 11:18:47 2011. "a big set of balls."I'm underqualified.... JOKING! :-P |
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Posted by LRG5784 on Sun Jan 23 12:10:48 2011, in response to Re: Mythbusters? (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street), posted by tunnelrat on Sun Jan 23 11:37:29 2011. Weren't some sections of the Second Avenue subway that were built in the 1970s backfilled? |
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Posted by tunnelrat on Sun Jan 23 12:16:42 2011, in response to Re: Mythbusters? (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street), posted by LRG5784 on Sun Jan 23 12:10:48 2011. n-o,no. |
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Posted by arnine on Sun Jan 23 12:17:23 2011, in response to Re: Mythbusters? (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street), posted by tunnelrat on Sun Jan 23 11:42:53 2011. Yeah that is true. |
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Posted by LRG5784 on Sun Jan 23 12:18:11 2011, in response to Re: Mythbusters? (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street), posted by tunnelrat on Sun Jan 23 12:16:42 2011. Okay, thanks. |
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Posted by Nyctransitman on Sun Jan 23 12:41:52 2011, in response to Re: Mythbusters? (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street), posted by tunnelrat on Sun Jan 23 10:54:37 2011. I'll look for that manhole the next time I'm in Ozone Park. Maybe we need publicity from the local Quuens papers. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Jan 23 12:49:00 2011, in response to Re: Mythbusters? (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street), posted by arnine on Sun Jan 23 08:00:05 2011. Also, it involves no explosion, car crash or other demolition. Everything on that show now has to have a big boom. |
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Posted by monorail on Sun Jan 23 12:55:12 2011, in response to Re: Mythbusters? (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street), posted by tunnelrat on Sun Jan 23 11:18:47 2011. 'a big set of balls. 'if they are too big, he wont be able to get down the manhole.... |
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Posted by tunnelrat on Sun Jan 23 13:10:08 2011, in response to Re: Mythbusters? (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street), posted by Nyctransitman on Sun Jan 23 12:41:52 2011. not ozone park,at the edge of the parking lot looking e/b at elderts lane looking towards ozone pk.no markings on m/h. |
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Posted by monorail on Sun Jan 23 13:16:47 2011, in response to Re: Mythbusters? (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street), posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Jan 23 12:49:00 2011. 'Everything on that show now has to have a big boom.'so they use a large microphone... |
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Posted by Karl M, Ex New Yorker on Sun Jan 23 13:17:31 2011, in response to Re: Mythbusters? (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street), posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Jan 23 12:49:00 2011. I remember from a few years ago the earthquake machine episode where the Mythbusters tried to do an earthquake like Tesla did in lower New York City, only they did it on a bridge they got some results with an oscillation on the bridge but I believe it was deemed unworkable to make an earthquake from an oscillator, but Tesla did it in his lab with the oscillator bolted to a beam which was deep in the ground causing the sand to resonate fast enough to cause an earthquake like movement of the ground, these guys botched the experiment. Karl M |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Jan 23 13:24:25 2011, in response to Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street, posted by LRG5784 on Sun Jan 23 10:17:26 2011. LION says: It was Filled in.If it were not filled in there would have to be access for inspection. 
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Posted by BMTLines on Sun Jan 23 13:34:37 2011, in response to Re: Mythbusters? (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street), posted by tunnelrat on Sun Jan 23 11:39:30 2011. Did you ask to photocopy contract books or blueprints? |
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Posted by Joe Saitta on Sun Jan 23 13:42:56 2011, in response to Re: Mythbusters? (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street), posted by monorail on Sun Jan 23 12:55:12 2011. That leaves out TS. |
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Posted by Michael549 on Sun Jan 23 13:51:47 2011, in response to Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street, posted by LRG5784 on Sun Jan 23 10:17:26 2011. Let's say that 76th Street station existed, and in the transit fan's wildest dreams - as a full station with working tracks, platforms and signals, and even working light bulbs!In a pure practical sense, what use would the station hold? As a local station with its track switch layout, it is too cumbersome to be a terminal station. The TA would probably not open the station to passenger traffic, say for the C-train to terminate there. What would happen during the midnight hours - a two-stop shuttle to a station that would get very little ridership? As a local station with its track switch layout, using it for train layup or storage space - others have said the track layout is cumbersome for train moves. I'm just wondering, even if the 76th Street existed (as a fully usable station) what would be the practical benefit to the average subway rider? Mike |
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Posted by arnine on Sun Jan 23 13:53:28 2011, in response to Re: Mythbusters? (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street), posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Jan 23 12:49:00 2011. True |
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Posted by tunnelrat on Sun Jan 23 13:53:53 2011, in response to Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street, posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Jan 23 13:24:25 2011. no access at the junction,no access at the narrows tunnel the only access at the polo grounds is the anderson ave side from the street with a tall ladder.show me the reports when these were last inspected. |
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Posted by arnine on Sun Jan 23 13:54:51 2011, in response to Re: Mythbusters? (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street), posted by monorail on Sun Jan 23 12:55:12 2011. Lol it may be troublesome :) |
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Posted by LRG5784 on Sun Jan 23 13:55:25 2011, in response to Re: Mythbusters? (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street), posted by Joe Saitta on Sun Jan 23 13:42:56 2011. Lol. |
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Posted by arnine on Sun Jan 23 13:56:34 2011, in response to Re: Mythbusters? (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street), posted by tunnelrat on Sun Jan 23 13:10:08 2011. Does it have holes in it? |
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Posted by tunnelrat on Sun Jan 23 13:57:12 2011, in response to Re: Mythbusters? (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street), posted by BMTLines on Sun Jan 23 13:34:37 2011. no blueprints there on what I wanted.I could have made copies of anything I wanted.the archieves has very few construction photos of the A line in bklyn. |
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Posted by tunnelrat on Sun Jan 23 13:59:24 2011, in response to Re: Mythbusters? (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street), posted by tunnelrat on Sun Jan 23 13:10:08 2011. yes,but you can`t see anything looking down.you would have to pop the cover. |
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Posted by arnine on Sun Jan 23 14:00:10 2011, in response to Re: Mythbusters? (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street), posted by tunnelrat on Sun Jan 23 13:59:24 2011. Ok I was just curious if a small camera can be lowered but if it is that dark then yes cover needs to be popped. |
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Posted by Nyctransitman on Sun Jan 23 14:00:33 2011, in response to Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street, posted by Michael549 on Sun Jan 23 13:51:47 2011. Maybe to tear down the elevated structure on Liberty Avenue and build a new subway line connection to the Rockaway Line and maybe out to Southeastern Queens. |
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Posted by tunnelrat on Sun Jan 23 14:04:29 2011, in response to Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street, posted by LRG5784 on Sun Jan 23 10:17:26 2011. this is a misconception that just about everyone on this board has.it ALWAYS was the intention of the BOT to recapture the fulton st.EL at grant ave&to extend the A to 229st&linden blvd. |
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Posted by jabrams on Sun Jan 23 14:08:52 2011, in response to Re: Mythbusters? (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street), posted by RockParkMan on Sun Jan 23 11:11:04 2011. Where is there a manhole that leads to a subway tunnel in NYC (except for Bob Diamond's one on Atlantic Ave.)? Emergency exits have rectangular grates and they are always on the sidewalk as not be end up under a vehicle. |
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Posted by tunnelrat on Sun Jan 23 14:11:47 2011, in response to Re: Mythbusters? (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street), posted by jabrams on Sun Jan 23 14:08:52 2011. ALL OVER THE PLACE!we`re not talking about an emergency exit.these are access to cable rooms,etc. |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Sun Jan 23 14:33:43 2011, in response to Re: Mythbusters? (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street), posted by arnine on Sun Jan 23 11:39:26 2011. With our luck, that will be the only outer-borough street that Bloomberg gets plowed right away and repaved over come spring. |
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Posted by Randyo on Sun Jan 23 14:56:53 2011, in response to Re: Mythbusters? (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street), posted by tunnelrat on Sun Jan 23 11:37:29 2011. AFAIK, the only subway that was backfilled was the portion of what would have been the BMT's Lexington Av subway around the area of 28 St - 33 St give or take a block or two. |
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Posted by BMTLines on Sun Jan 23 15:01:54 2011, in response to Re: Mythbusters? (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street), posted by Randyo on Sun Jan 23 14:56:53 2011. I believe the Manhattan and/or the Queens loops of the original configuration of the Steinway tunnels were also filled in |
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Posted by arnine on Sun Jan 23 15:03:46 2011, in response to Re: Mythbusters? (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street), posted by Mitch45 on Sun Jan 23 14:33:43 2011. Lol yeah gotta keep railfans in suspense ya know :) |
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Posted by tunnelrat on Sun Jan 23 15:04:23 2011, in response to Re: Mythbusters? (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street), posted by Randyo on Sun Jan 23 14:56:53 2011. it wasn`t a subway,it was an excuvationI.E.they dug up the street,changed their minds&backfilled it.of this i,m positive.it was dug up from 23st to 40st.at 28st a sewer was dug to the east river. |
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Posted by Randyo on Sun Jan 23 15:11:33 2011, in response to Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street, posted by tunnelrat on Sun Jan 23 14:04:29 2011. I keep trying to tell them that but nobody pays attention. What is interesting though, is that some early proposals for the IND Fulton St Line called for it to continue out Fulton St under the existing J Line structure and emerge just past the Crescent St station and connect to the Liberty Av structure from north of l Liberty Av instead of south of it which is where it connects at present. I suspect that that is the reason why the first portion of the IND ended at the odd location of Rockaway Av since the planners probably weren't quite sure where the line was going to go once it reached the ENY area. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Jan 23 15:16:40 2011, in response to Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street, posted by tunnelrat on Sun Jan 23 13:53:53 2011. Maybe never. But it *could* be inspected.Whose tunnel is it? Maybe MTA gave it to the Dept of Parks or to streets or whatever. Anyway. the LION has provided his two cents, what you buy with it is your affair. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Jan 23 15:18:02 2011, in response to Re: Mythbusters? (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street), posted by tunnelrat on Sun Jan 23 13:57:12 2011. See. Those documents are being stored in Roswell NM.
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Posted by Randyo on Sun Jan 23 15:21:35 2011, in response to Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street, posted by G1Ravage on Fri Jan 21 17:40:53 2011. Actually, the wall at the end of track is concrete not cinderblock. The wall at the end of the tunnels for A7 and A8 yard leads is cinderblock however. According to some retired NYCTA employees who worked construction flagging in the area during the construction of Grant Av, before the concrete wall was put up, there was a temporary wooden wall. A map I have seen somewhere from 1950, indicates that while the "mainline" portion of the Pitkin Av subway was intended to have connected to the LIRR ROW in the area of Aqueduct in 1948, by the time of the 1950 map those plans had been abandoned and the connection we now know as Liberty Junction was shown. ERA Sprague Library has a contract book showing the connection from Grant as far as Hudson St and past the Hudson Interlocking, there is a note on the track map that indicates existing BMT signaling was to be used beyond that point. Of course once it was decided to build Liberty Jct, new signaling to accommodate the new interlocking became necessary. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Jan 23 15:24:37 2011, in response to Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street, posted by tunnelrat on Sun Jan 23 14:04:29 2011. I know. It was supposed to go in either direction, straight to 76th, as well as the dual contracts end of the Liberty El. But the original plan WAS abolished after the war when construction restarted again. The idea to go straight was abolished, and only one of the two planned forks was taken. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Jan 23 15:26:13 2011, in response to Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street, posted by Michael549 on Sun Jan 23 13:51:47 2011. Nothing? Who said that there is a purpose to it in the current system? There are plenty of abandoned stations which are not practical. Court St, Lower 9th, even lower Bergen, City Hall lower (BMT). But this controversy is NOT finding out about it to use, but just to know it's there. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Jan 23 15:27:39 2011, in response to Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street, posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Jan 23 15:16:40 2011. Doesn't the Atlantic Ave tunnel also extend further past that cement block wall, and there's no access. |
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Posted by tunnelrat on Sun Jan 23 15:29:06 2011, in response to Re: Mythbusters? (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street), posted by BMTLines on Sun Jan 23 15:01:54 2011. the queens loop was backfilled.at GCT,looking towards 5th.ave the begining of the loop was filled in.the middle section,between the 2 tracks is a pump room.across from the pump room is the 3rd section which is as it was when it was abandonded.I have been in this section several times in the last 10 years.as of 3 years ago the t.a.put a gate across the entrance,so if you don`t have the right key,you ain`t gettin` in.the forth section has been turned an air shaft,you can look down from the street as the grating is large.the 3rd section is the most interesting,talk about stepping back in time over a 100 years.the 4th section has no remants of the trolley tunnel. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Jan 23 15:29:18 2011, in response to Re: Mythbusters? (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street), posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Jan 23 12:49:00 2011. Not to mention this wouldn't be of interest to many outside the railfan community in NY. Perhaps it's more for that History Channel show....I forget what it's called Something of the Underworld or the like. I think that would be more fitting than Mythbusters. |
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Posted by Randyo on Sun Jan 23 15:30:17 2011, in response to Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street, posted by tunnelrat on Sat Jan 22 19:12:29 2011. I would think that the sewers would have been above the subway at that point since the topography that is shown for the proposed construction of the area seems to indicate that 76 S station would have been deeper than Euclid since the A7 and A8 yard leads would rise above the mainline infrastructure to access Pitkin Yd. The Pitkin Av "mainline" also dips below both the leads to Grant Av station as well as underneath the K3-4 and K5 yard leads that does put 76 St station pretty deep and probably below any sewer work in the area. Also someone posted on this p forum a few years ago that his father had observed what appeared to be major street construction in the area of Conduit Blvd in the late 1940s and while this may not necessarily have any relation to actual subway construction, it may indicate that any sewer work done in the area may have been done at that time rather than at a later date. |
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Posted by tunnelrat on Sun Jan 23 15:31:54 2011, in response to Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Jan 23 15:27:39 2011. bob diamond says so,I think it was back filled. |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Sun Jan 23 15:34:10 2011, in response to Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Jan 23 15:26:13 2011. Wallyhorse can figure out a way to use it if it exists... |
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Posted by Randyo on Sun Jan 23 15:36:26 2011, in response to Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Jan 23 15:24:37 2011. See my post on this topic. As of 1948 when Euclid opened, it was still intended to have the subway continue out Pitkin and also have the connection to the BMT Fulton El. From a map I saw showing proposed subway extensions, that plan seems to have been abandoned by 1950 since it shows what eventually became Liberty Jct. |
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Posted by Randyo on Sun Jan 23 15:38:26 2011, in response to Re: Mythbusters? (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street), posted by tunnelrat on Sun Jan 23 15:04:23 2011. Some documentation I have seen seems to indicate it was a little more than just an "excavation." |
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Posted by Randyo on Sun Jan 23 15:39:27 2011, in response to Re: Mythbusters? (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street), posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Jan 23 15:29:18 2011. The program is called "Cities of the Underworld" |
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Posted by tunnelrat on Sun Jan 23 15:40:23 2011, in response to Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street, posted by Randyo on Sun Jan 23 15:11:33 2011. one of the plans was to ramp up to the fulton st.EL&recapture it.the pockets at jamaica ave.on the A were supposed to conn.to the jamaica el at cresent st.one of hylands proposals was to run UNDER the jam.el.in compatation with it STOOOOOOOOOOPID. |
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Posted by tunnelrat on Sun Jan 23 15:41:58 2011, in response to Re: Mythbusters? (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street), posted by Randyo on Sun Jan 23 15:39:27 2011. sounds like something about the mafia.palermo would be #1. |
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