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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jan 6 08:30:29 2009, in response to Re: Why was 179th St/Jamaica 13 years late?, posted by randyo on Mon Jan 5 20:13:34 2009. And as mentioned, Chicago (which was BORN out of the railroads, and always had a high rail presence/attitude), is one of the very rare and few exceptions.And you also mentioned Los Angeles. If any city can't be included in this it's LA. IF you think NY was screwed out of "rail" (which isn't really true, as NY has one of the best rail transportation systems in the country, even if it could lead much to be desired as well), LA is the anti-NY. LA was lined with interurban and urban rail transportation, and EVERY but of it was ripped up. It even had many underground sections through the city. PRIVATELY owned. Again, the key here is that you are taking today's thought of "public" rail, and trying to bring that to an era when much of it was still privately held. The rail systems were BOUGHT out, and destroyed afterwards. The fact that LA now has the Green line in a freeway, and part of the Gold line in one, has nothing to do with planning back then. Their freeways just have a lot more room in general. While in NY it's huge to have a three+ lane highway (6+ if thinking bidirectionally), in LA, 5 lanes in one direction is common on many of them. There is way more room, and it was done RECENTLY to put the rail in the median, not in Moses' era. And if you are screaming about how much was destroyed in neighborhoods for a 3 lane (in each direction) expressway such as the Cross Bronx, LIE, Gowanas, etc, imagine if they needed an additional 120 feet of destruction through those neighborhoods to allow for enough room for something in the median. The LIE (at least in Queens were this transit would be needed) and the Cross Bronx are fit like a puzzle through the neighborhoods, and think of what was knocked down for just the 3 lanes (in each direction). |
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