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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jul 7 22:39:33 2008, in response to Opposition to ARC Project Grows, posted by Forest Glen on Mon Jul 7 21:39:30 2008. I think the people in Jersey City are wrong for trying to prolong the commuters of people from the hinterlands of Jersey for their own selfish reasons. The fact remains that commuter railroads exist to get people from the suburbs to the CBD. Despite their delusions, Jersey City/Newport is not the CBD. The Hudson-Bergen Lightrail provides transportation within Jersey City. There are plenty of high rises being built in the area. ARC will only expedite the commutes of people who merely use Hoboken as a transfer station. This will not stop people from going to the waterfrontI assume you wrote this part? Thanks for posting the rest. If commuter railroads existed solely to get people to/from the CBD of their metro area, then let me tell you that all of the other railroads would have died back in 1910 except the PRR, LIRR, NYC and NHRR. But guess what—the waterfront terminals were closer to the big money district of Manhattan than GCT or NYP. The PRR kept their Exchange Place Terminal going for fifty years after NYP opened, and the bare fact remains that the PRR did not build NYP to replace Exchange Place. At all. Otherwise there would be four tracks going into NYP from the NJ side today, and there would be at least 42 tracks at NYP on two levels. (One design for the line to NYP had it leaving the traditional New Jersey Railroad route in Rahway, crossing into Staten Island and going over the Verrazano Narrows into Brooklyn, and then using the LIRR tunnels, making it a stub termnial—no tunnels under the North River. Can you picture how things would be if the PRR had gone with that configuration? All commuters needing to change trains onto PATH from Hudson, Essex and northeastern Union Counties?) Now what about the LIRR? Very, very few diesel-territory trains actually operate into Manhattan under dual-mode power, even with the new DM30ACs running (and doesn't it beg the question as to why the LIRR has non-dual-mode DE30ACs at all). Also, why isn't the Atlantic Avenue Branch closed? or Long Island City, or HPA, then? At least the LIRR has dual-mode locomotives. No, these guys are right. Hoboken is way closer to Manhattan than even the LIRR's diesel-territory terminals in Queens and the all-electric terminus in Brooklyn. What's needed are more trains to more destinations within New Jersey, and more ferry service out of Hoboken to take the pressure off PATH and buses at that location. Unless the MTA and NJT are getting together to build a full-size station somewhere between Lower Manhattan and Midtown, the overpriced ARC project, which won't provide any new tunnels to NYP from the NJ side, ought to be put on hiatus. |
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