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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jul 7 23:25:19 2008, in response to Re: Opposition to ARC Project Grows, posted by Forest Glen on Mon Jul 7 23:10:42 2008. The majority of the people that take the LIRR to Flatbush or Hunterspoint transfer to the subway to ManhattanJust as the majority of people that ride to Hoboken take the PATH. However, pushing for ARC is actually equivalent to pushing for building the Atlantic Avenue Branch all the way into Manhattan. And Flatbush Avenue is a good deal further away from the waterfront than Hoboken is, with a good deal better connecting ra But LIC and HPA only have the 7 to connect to rail-wise. That's very much like Hoboken. And there's also the great deal of transferring happening at Jamaica, which shoots a lot of holes in the one-seat ride theory. NJ Transit is pushing ARC over expansion of commuter rail within New Jersey and adding trains – with gas prices where they are, that's a huge mistake. Way less money could be spent on a unified ticketing strategy that would get people onto PATH or a ferry without needing to use multiple media for a single journey no matter how many seat-changes are needed. New Jersey has a lightrail for the sole purpose of transportation within Jersey Not true at all. A lot of the HBLR passengers are heading for Manhattan, not for destinations within NJ. Conversely, there are a great deal of reverse commuters that use NJTR (commuter rail). In addition, a great deal of River Line users are headed for Philadelphia. You can't pigeonhole different types of rail like that. The greed of Jersey City/Newport will add 15-20 minutes to the commutes of people heading to midtown if their plan comes into fruition How is it their greed? Especially versus the greed of the consultants who are pushing the ARC project over rail expansion within the state? I think you don't have a good understanding of what commuters in NJ really want. Furthermore, a direct one-seat ride to Manhattan is not a guarantee that you'll get there faster. It's actually faster to get to Manhattan riding to Hoboken than to Penn, nowadays (consider why the Hoboken trips were cut, and it wasn't because people weren't using them; they were quite busy). Most people have to get another ride to where they're going once they're actually in Manhattan, besides; in a lot of cases, it would be better to keep the waterfront terminals open and improve subway connections to them (this is an argument in favor of having the IRT take over PATH, yes, but think of what would be possible). |
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