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Posted by JOE @ NYCMTS - NYCTMG on Wed Jan 29 20:55:16 2020, in response to Re: Guess the Location??...Not so easy!:), posted by Elkeeper on Wed Jan 29 16:52:10 2020. Hello ElkeeperYou are correct. The BMT did not take the City's offer in 1916 to jointly operate the Flushing & Astoria Lines with the IRT under dual contracts. The BMT had no direct connections nor way to get to those two Queens Elevated lines. Therefore the IRT took full control, management and operation of both the Astoria and Flushing Line route services. That began when the IRT 2nd Avenue EL service via the Queensboro Bridge started on 7-23-1917 to Astoria - and 1-17-1918 to E.104th St-Alburtis Avenue on the Corona line -- and extended 5-14-1927 to 111st St & Willets Point Blvd. Stations. The IRT Flushing-Astoria Subway service from Manhattan started initially from Grand Central Station to Queens Plaza EL Station on 11-5-1916 - and to 103rd St Station and to Astoria terminal, on 4-21-1917 and 111th St Station on 10-13-1925 and Willets Point and Flushing Stations on 1-21-1928 The BMT in conjunction with their new 60th Street tunnel to bring the BMT Subway trains to Queens, decided to exercise their Dual C9ontracts rights - and started BMT EL Gate Car shuttles from Queensboro Plaza Station to Flushing & Astoria on 4-8-1923 and to 111th Street station on 10-13-1915. The consist were usually 1200 and 1400 series Gate motor and trailer cars with some 6-4-6 trailers mixed in. We all know that the 10' wide BMT Standards (subway cars) would not run past Queens Plaza Station as all stations outbound could only clear up to 9' wide steel IRT or wooden IRT & BMT EL cars. Thus the wooden BMT shuttles and after 1939 thru 1949 October, the Q and QX Type MUDC converted BMT gate car shuttles.. In the PHOTO shown - those are IRT EL Gate cars of the 6-4-6 window design (pre 1900-era built cars) and this photo is sometime before 1923 when MUDC cars were created from the later 1900-1910 built gate cars of the 6 paired (12)window design. The BMT did NOT have any 6-4-6 window gate cars as MOTOR CARS -- ONLY as trailer cars. Most of the BMT originally 1880's built 6-4-6 window steam engine hauled trailer gate cars were converted and electrified, with center doors added, as motor cars around 1899-1900 approx., and had a 6-1-door-1-6 side windows/door configuration. Those few remaining 6-4-6 trailer cars NOT modified & converted to motor cars - thus remained as 6-4-6- trailer cars only for their life span. And some of those trailers ran on the Flushing & Astoria line BMT shuttle services as late as 1946 Regards - Joe F |
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