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Posted by JOE @ NYCMTS - NYCTMG on Thu Jan 30 20:02:40 2020, in response to Re: Guess the Location??...Not so easy!:), posted by Elkeeper on Thu Jan 30 13:30:05 2020. Hello EL KeeperI was told over 5 or so decades ago the transfer move details. Its all very hazy now but I do remember it involved the direct ON TRACKS connection between the BMT (ex BRT) and the LIRR to the IRT - via the LIRR tracks parallel to the IRT Corona Yards and shops. The route likely was via S. Brooklyn Railway from MacDonald Avenue from CI Yards - with strings of BMT Gate cars towed to LIRR At Parkville Jct and via same out to Queens via interconnecting LIRR Tracks. The LIRR and BRT / BMT / SBK had a long and intermixed cooperative and at earlier times joint operation association. The BMT EL Gate cars were towed to what was a very long single connection track which ran in a corridor-space between an IRT Corona Yard Track lead and the immediately close parallel LIRR Mainline in that area. The BMT EL cars could run into the IRT Corona yards on their own power as the yard had both EL uncovered style & Subway Covered Style 3rd Rails -- for the IRT subway and IRT 2nd Ave EL trains uses. BELOW is an aerial photo of the present area. On the photo I drew a RED LINE showing the location of the long parallel connecting track location; YELLOW LINE is where I expect the IRT to LIRR track into yard and switches connection were...logically: A LOWER WHITE CIRCLE shows where what appears to be a small LIRR team track yard area - long out of use and with what appears to be the ties or remnants of one of the 2 or 3 yard tracks that were there long ago: The UPPER WHITE CIRCLE shows where in a Google area view you can see the remnants of that transfer track and where it once had a switch connection to the W/B LIRR main track at that easterly end point: Here is the photo below:  BELOW is the GOOGLE AERIAL interactive view LINK -- I have it set at at the east end of the yards area -- NOTE the abandoned piece of LIRR track in center between the IRT yards and LIRR Tracks -- that is where the east end of the long connection track was. You can MOVE the image eastward (slowly scroll to the right on screen image) and you will see that long corridor where a single connection track once existed and heads into the now abandoned trackless team track yards at the west end of the IRT Yard track leads. INTERACTIVE AERIAL view along location of IRT to LIRR Connecting transfer track ================================================================= TWO ALTERNATE & POSSIBLE TRANSFER SCENARIOS BACK THEN - but not used BELOW is a Google interactive AERIAL view showing where the 1914-1915 installed single LIRR track connection to the outbound Flushing Subway track after it exits its tunnel portal. The location is about direct center of the image where the 2 IRT tracks are - about where the 7th & 8th car (from rear car of that train at right) - the south concrete wall was built with an opening for delivery of the brand new 1915 IRT Steinway cars to operate the initial Grand Central Station to Queens Plaza Station shuttle service until the Flushing & Astoria lines were completed by 1917. That wall could have been opened again for BMT Gate cars to be delivered that way by the LIRR -- but would have to be TOWED by, and on, the IRT track out to Queens Plaza Station where the "EL" Style uncovered 3rd rail territory tracks began. Then they could run on their own power. However - THIS WAS NOT the way I recall the transfer was made. LI City AERIAl - LIRR closely parallel to IRT Flushing Line The other possibility was via LIRR Car Floats to the New Haven RR E.132nd St Harlem River Bronx Freight yards (and float docks) -- to connect with the NHRR and NYW&B Railway "in yard" connective tracks -- and via the NYW&B Railway to IRT 3rd Ave El connective ramp track at Willis Ave. At that point the BMT EL trains could have run on their own power (*) over the Harlem River Bridge -- down south on the 2nd Ave EL to E. 50th Street interlocking -- changed (reversed) direction back north on N/B local track to the switch to the Queensboro bridge line -- and over into Queens Plaza Station on the IRT Flushing Line side tracks and platform. (*) If those BMT motor gate cars still had their El style Drop Sled 3rd Rail shoes) But this WAS NOT USED and would have relied on a lot of Special Moves and orders from the IRT Manhattan Railway Division Well, hopefully, this will explain it all -- regards - Joe F |
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