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Posted by JOE @ NYCMTS - NYCTMG on Mon Feb 3 14:21:41 2020, in response to Re: Guess the Location??...Not so easy!:), posted by Elkeeper on Mon Feb 3 11:47:15 2020. Hello El KeeperIt seems that short lived transfer move may be lost to history. If, and likely there was, written (even photo) moves-documentation of that move were made by either the BMT, IRT and/or the LIRR, it was likely long ago purged during the mid 1960's when a room at the long ago NYCTA HQ 370- Jay Street as well as at the old IRT W.148th St Shop offices - containing EVERYTHING relevant to the OLD BRT, BMT and IRT, and by then demolished BRT & IRT 1880's era EL's, was disgracefully removed from storage there and dumped in flat cars in a work train to be taken to Coney Island yards area to be dumped and burned. ANYTHING relevant to no longer existing old IRT, BMT, NYCTA structures, rolling stock, EL's, etc., was discarded. Some lucky railfans were given inside info via Hugh Dunne of the location and access to get in there quickly and take what we could. A number of ERA members were there -- and yes, I got some goodies...but a one shot deal - all you could grab and carry (in bags, boxes,) quickly -- and out. One thing I got was a stapled set of excellent sharp blueprints of the Manhattan 3rd Ave El structures, tracks, feeders and 3rd rails, from South Ferry to Chatham Sq., along Pearl Street. Pages stretched 2 1/2 feet long containing about 8 pages! And photos. A large set of 5x7 B&W Photos by likely an NYCTS staff photog who walked the abandoned tracks of the Fulton EL shooting photos of the abandoned original Fulton EL Sands St Stub Terminal, and of the mainline as it passed lower on Fulton St to the Ferry. And of the Myrtle EL Upper Level Loop at the main Sands Street terminal. These were likely pre-demolition photos. I still have that stuff and others, today. What the few of us got was like a few grains of sand on the beach of a tremendous volume of even back then historic materials that filled a number of flat (with sides) cars --- all gone and burned. I also have tried extensively over the past many years (via the net) to find visual data on the BMT EL cars moved to IRT issue - and gave up. Found nothing. The 3 options I provided - WHICHEVER one, would be the only logical via-rails way to have done the transfer. Regards - Joe F |
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