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Re: NJT conducting “Princeton Transitway Study” on Dinky ROW

Posted by 3-9 on Thu Jan 23 08:47:19 2020, in response to Re: NJT conducting “Princeton Transitway Study” on Dinky ROW, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jan 22 20:45:27 2020.

So spend taxpayer dollars for completely gutting the ROW and putting buses on it, never mind the higher maintenance costs of roadways and the shorter-by-comparison service life of buses that nobody would want to ride by contrast?

NJT's excellent at profligate spending, don't forget. They had no problem shelling out $12 million a unit for sight-unseen ALP-45DPs, something definitely not off the shelf, never mind spending the most per mile that I've seen for LRT (hundreds of millions per mile on HBLR, which is on pre-existing rights of way for the most part).


First you say buses are expensive, but then you point out how expensive it is to get the latest rail equipment. How expensive do you think it'll be to get MUs for a 2-stop shuttle, when their fleet is almost entirely locomotives and unpowered coaches, as opposed to grabbing a couple of buses from their already massive bus fleet?

There used to be a lot more than that before NJT started making the Dinky miss connections deliberately. They probably also factor service cancellations due to shoddy maintenance into "ridership".

And how long ago was that? That wouldn't be before Princeton U set up a free bus service which goes around campus before terminating at Princeton Junction, would it? Unlike the Dinky, which can't go beyond Princeton station?

LOL, not "done". Guess you don't know what goes into roadway maintenance. BTW, as for signals, the Dinky runs on track warrants; after all, what other trains occupy the ROW?

Then you missed the part where they installed all those electronics for PTC. Yet another thing to maintain, unlike a dedicated busway, which wouldn't need sophisticated signals and overhead power lines.

How many city buses can get up to the same average speed as the Dinky over the same 2.7 miles? Absolutely none, even if it were on a dedicated ROW. What makes you think that Arrows have high operating costs versus a bus?

Because a bus doesn't have to be certified by the FRA, and like I said before, buses are vastly cheaper and easier to replace, esp. since NJT can buy them in bulk, with at most minor mods from the manufacturer. BTW, the Dinky runs at an average of 32 mph. I think a bus can make that on a dedicated roadway, easily.

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