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Re: QueensWay gets $444,000 grant form NY State to design the first phase

Posted by Stephen Bauman on Wed Dec 17 18:34:06 2014, in response to Re: QueensWay gets $444,000 grant form NY State to design the first phase, posted by NIMBYkiller on Wed Dec 17 17:28:40 2014.

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7 line via the highways is the easiest way to expand,

I would prefer physical extensions to follow the existing street grid. That way commercial hubs and strips will follow the extension. These will increase the tax base and help pay for the extensions. Limited access highways have already disrupted the street grid. There isn't any room to build the commercial hubs and strips. Moreover, the highways keep street traffic away.

And what out of the box solutions are you talking?

Here's one I proposed a decade ago. One constraint was to spend as little money as possible and have a plan that could be implemented within a year.

Run a shuttle on the Port Washington Branch between Bayside and Willets Point every 10 minutes.

You need reversing facilities that don't interfere with regular through PW service. There are extra platforms and trackways at Willets Point - relics from the 1964 World's Fair. There's a yard east of Bayside for relaying and storing trains.

This would be an LIRR operation. However, POP would be used for payment similar to SBS. City bound a passenger arrives at an LIRR station, inserts Metrocard into machine and receives a receipt. If passenger arrived by bus, no additional fare is deducted. Passenger gives receipt to conductor on train.

At Willets Point, passenger exits train and uses existing walkway to IRT Willets Point Station. Passenger inserts Metrocard into turnstile. No additional fare is deducted. Additional trains are turned at Willets Point, so passenger enters empty #7 train to Times Sq.

NE Queens bus routes are changed to go to terminate at LIRR stations and not Main St. This will eliminate chronic traffic congestion in Downtown Flushing. Mileage reduction will substantially reduce bus operating costs.

Minimum ROW costs to implement. No additional property required. Minimum EIS impact because no changes to existing functions. Very little construction required. Refurbish abandoned Willets Point Platforms, improve walkway to IRT station, electrify yard and yard leads east of Bayside. All this out of doors on existing LIRR property.

I proposed this before M7's were being delivered. I would have used some M1's as rolling stock to keep costs down.

There are other possibilities for using Metrocard and existing railroads to extend subway service. The key is that any extended service be distinct from existing commuter operations. That way the wealthier suburbanites won't have to mix with the City's unwashed masses. This separation would also blunt criticism that City residents are getting a free ride.

One special situation that is coming up is the possibility to recpature the LIRR between Jamaica and Flatbush Ave. The LIRR plans to sever through service, when East Side Access comes on board. They are building a separate platform at Jamaica.

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