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Re: The Connection Between WTC and Cortlandt St
Posted by J trainloco on Thu Mar 22 22:06:14 2012, in response to Re: The Connection Between WTC and Cortlandt St, posted by Avid Reader on Thu Mar 22 09:04:54 2012.While all of the routes you mentioned,would go to new areas,
Generally, that's exactly what you want to do when you build a new route.
none give route insurance. These junctions do just that.
So you would propose spending billions to connect two lines not to expand service or add capacity, but to allow routing flexibility? No disrespect, but that's a bad idea. This is a capital cost likely in the billions that would likely be used a few weekends a year for trackwork, and for a few incident re-routes, but not much else. What makes this proposal look even worse is that the 6th avenue trunk line already HAS flexibility to and from south brooklyn. An incident North of W4th can be avoided by switching to the local north of B'way lafayette and then using 8th avenue. Whilel the same opportunity doesn't exist southbound, constructing 2 switches between W4 and Bway lafayette would be exponentially cheaper than bulding your proposed connector.
I'm honestly dumbfounded that if you were in charge of route planning, you would tell people in areas with NO subway service that it was a higher priority to build more infrastructure for passengers who already have two lines.
Your extensions are just that,or new lines. Like the "new" Second Avenue Line,70 years in the making. Hows that working for you?
What point are you making here? SAS funding issues are no reflection on its merit. And by that same token, extensions of the BMT Broadway line to points north have been on the table for just as long, and NOTHING has come of them.
You have your preferences,I have mine. But our preferences DON'T make the others Stupid or worthless.
I know as a society we want to encourage individual thinking and all, but sometimes ideas that are different are bad.
The Christy Street connector,The Essex/6th Ave connector,and the 21St Street / Northern Blvd Connector had a drastic impact on service,and hold great potential,in the event of problems elsewhere.
But each of those projects added something significant. First of all, the Christie connector project encompassed both the 6th avenue express connection to the manhattan bridge A/B tracks AND the connection between the 6th ave local tracks and Essex street. This project was worthwhile because it effectively opened up the completely untapped capacity of the 6th ave express tracks to usage by Brooklyn riders. Meanwhile the Brooklyn side of the east river had expresses from 3 branches vying for space on one side of the bridge while the other side duplicated an unpopular lower manhattan route. The level of midtown service we have today would not be possible without Chrystie. As for the other half of Chrystie, it was tacked onto the existing project, and provided service to midtown... and sat pretty much unused for over 30 years.
As for the 63rd connector, its value can be summed up like this: prior to the construction of 63rd, there was a total of 3 pairs of tracks between Queens and manhattan, and Brooklyn had 9 pairs. The 63rd connector was simply the culmination of decades of work to add needed capacity. It was not an ancillary connector between two existing through routes.