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Posted by
Wallyhorse
on Tue Feb 14 01:13:55 2012, in response to Re: Lawmakers: southern Queens commuters need a new railway more than the QueensWay, posted by N6 Limited on Mon Feb 13 23:51:39 2012.
edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Right!
If this line is going to work, it's going to have to be subway service.
One thing that needs to be remembered is that if Genting (the casino operator that would be building the Convention Center) winds up paying at least some of the frieght for this happening (and while they may want the (A) Super Express, the chances of that happening are probably around ZERO, which is why they could be talked into doing this instead), they likely would want any service from this line serviing Aqueduct to operate through lower Manhattan and the Financial District. As was pointed out in other threads, just about every possible scenario would likely have this service be from the Broadway line because of that with the possible exception of the (E) and (R) swapping QB tracks with the (E) running to Rockaway Park, with every such scenario having some form of unintended consequence or another mainly because of how the subways were built back in the day.
With that in mind, as the Second Avenue Subway likely will have started up by the time this were to happen, here's what I would be looking at doing assuming Genting would want any new Rockaway Branch to serve lower Manhattan to give people from the Financial District a choice of one-seat rides to the Casino and Convention Center.
1. The (W) is revived and becomes the new Queens Boulevard-Rockaway branch, running from Whitehall Street-Rockaway Park as a 24/7 line, local all the way. This eliminates the Rockaway Park (S) and the (W) would have Rockaway Park for a yard.
2. The (D) and (R) swap Brooklyn terminals with both lines operating 24/7 and local along 4th Avenue in Brooklyn (including the (D) stopping at DeKalb 24/7 before going over the bridge), eliminating the current overnight (R) shuttle as the (D) would go to 95th and the (R) would replace the (D) on the West End. The (D) would operate as it does now otherwise in Manhattan while the (R) goes back to being the Astoria line as it was prior to 1987. This solves any yard issues the (R) would have returning to being the full-time Astoria branch while the (D) has Concourse Yard to serve.
3. The (N) runs as it does now, but only from 5:30-10:00 PM weekdays to Astoria and in Brooklyn would now be a full-time 24/7 express along 4th Avenue. Overnights and weekends, the (N) would operate as it does now in Manhattan, except it would be express to 57th and run with the (Q) to 96th Street-2nd Avenue (later 125th-Lexington Avenue) to help bolster service along the new SAS on nights and weekends.
This to me is the most workable solution should the connection between the Queens Boulevard and former LIRR Rockaway branch is built, allowing a new line to serve Aqueduct, the Convention Center and JFK.
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