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Re: 70 Years Ago (12/15/1940) - IND 6th Avenue Line Opens

Posted by Stephen Bauman on Thu Dec 16 18:56:20 2010, in response to Re: 70 Years Ago (12/15/1940) - IND 6th Avenue Line Opens, posted by Randyo on Thu Dec 16 16:43:23 2010.

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The Culver stations had to be lengthened anyhow since they could only have accommodated 8 X 67 ft cars, so it would have made sense to lengthen them to accommodate 11 car IND trains

The rationale for re-routing the Culver via Rutgers St was to permit more trains on the Brighton, not to augment Culver service. The Queens Blvd line needed 11-car trains. The Culver did not.

They had to extend the Culver platforms 64 feet to get to 600 feet. Extending them to 660 feet would have cost almost twice as much.

AFAIK, the IND stations S/O ENY could only accommodate 10 car trains so the 11 car E trains that operated as far as Euclid could not open the 11th car there either.

11-car E trains never operated S/O ENY in regular revenue service. E service was extended to the Rockaways on 6/28/56. The arbitrator's decision left the TA with two choices: 2 conductors and 11-car trains or 1 conductor and 10-car trains. They opted for the latter before they extended E service to the Rockaways.

they had both a C/R and a rear guard either one of the end cars could have kept their side doors closed at those platforms that could only hold 10 cars.

Operating 11-car trains without an ability to lock out a car that will not platform is a non-starter. Trains do get re-routed in service. It's not a good policy in normal revenue service, when a line is supposed to operate 30+ tph. Extra dwell time at stations kills on time performance, especially since the criterion was 3 minutes late at the terminal in those days. The BOT spent a ton of money lengthening IRT express platforms to accommodate 10 car trains. They were not going backwards to introduce these problems on the IND.

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