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Willard's Offshore Assets Remain Hidden
Posted by SMAZ on Thu Jul 5 02:43:38 2012 fiogf49gjkf0d Romney's offshore assets remain hidden Associated Press For nearly 15 years, Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney's financial portfolio has included an offshore company that remained invisible to voters as his political star rose. Based in Bermuda, Sankaty High Yield Asset Investors Ltd. was not listed on any of Romney's state or federal financial reports. The company is among several Romney holdings that have not been fully disclosed, including one that recently posted a $1.9 million earning - suggesting he could be wealthier than the nearly $250 million estimated by his campaign. The omissions are permitted by state and federal authorities overseeing Romney's ethics filings, and he has never been cited for failing to disclose information about his money. But Romney's limited disclosures deprive the public of an accurate depiction of his wealth and a clear understanding of how his assets are handled and taxed, according to experts in private equity, tax and campaign finance law. Sankaty was transferred to a trust owned by Romney's wife, Ann, one day before he was sworn in as Massachusetts governor in 2003, according to Bermuda records obtained by the Associated Press. The Romneys' ownership of the offshore firm did not appear on any state or federal financial reports during Romney's two presidential campaigns. Only the Romneys' 2010 tax records, released under political pressure earlier this year, confirmed their continuing control of the company. The mystery surrounding Sankaty reinforces Romney's history of keeping a tight rein on his public dealings, already documented by his use of private e-mail and computer purges as Massachusetts governor and his refusal to disclose his top fundraisers. The Bermuda company had almost no assets, according to Romney's 2010 tax returns. But such partnership stakes could still provide significant income for years to come, said tax experts, who added that the lack of disclosure makes it impossible to know for certain. "We don't know the big picture," said Victor Fleischer, a University of Colorado law professor and private equity expert who urged corporate tax code reforms during congressional testimony last year. "Most of these disclosure rules are designed for people who have passive ownership of stocks and bonds. But in this case, he continues to own management interests that fluctuate greatly in value long after his time with the company and even the end of his separation agreement. And the public has no clear idea where the money is coming from or when it will end." Named for a historic Massachusetts coastal lighthouse, Sankaty was part of a cluster of similarly named hedge funds run by Bain Capital, the private-equity firm Romney founded and led until 1999. Romney's campaign declined to answer detailed questions about Sankaty.
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Re: Willard's Offshore Assets Remain Hidden
Posted by bingbong* on Thu Jul 5 07:54:42 2012, in response to Willard's Offshore Assets Remain Hidden, posted by SMAZ on Thu Jul 5 02:43:38 2012.* fiogf49gjkf0d Welcome once again to that nagging question "Is this legal, is this ethical?" I won't take on the first, not being a lawyer nor familiar with these issues. As to the latter, I'd say yes. First of all, this wealth is "outsourced". It isn't doing what American wealth should be doing (and is NOT) and that's creating American jobs. (So much for the republican mantra of"job creators" that's simply a dogwhistle for the interests of idle rich, who do not utilize their position to enhance the general welfare, but only produce continuing wealth for themselves for foreigners and while evading taxes as well.)Then he went and put this all in his wife's name, so suddenly it's hers, to evade legal issues I would guess, that bring us back to the former question.
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Posted by AMoreira81* on Thu Jul 5 10:05:04 2012, in response to Willard's Offshore Assets Remain Hidden, posted by SMAZ on Thu Jul 5 02:43:38 2012.* fiogf49gjkf0d So? What about them? Unless you are alleging criminal conduct, why should anyone care?
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Posted by bingbong* on Thu Jul 5 10:11:14 2012, in response to Re: Willard's Offshore Assets Remain Hidden, posted by AMoreira81 on Thu Jul 5 10:05:04 2012.* fiogf49gjkf0d This has just been discovered. Now they have to determine if there is criminality to it. It's early on for this, we'll have to see.
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Re: Willard's Offshore Assets Remain Hidden
Posted by Terrapin Station* on Thu Jul 5 10:20:13 2012, in response to Re: Willard's Offshore Assets Remain Hidden, posted by bingbong on Thu Jul 5 07:54:42 2012.* fiogf49gjkf0d is this ethical?...I'd say yes. I think you're confused.
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Posted by Terrapin Station* on Thu Jul 5 10:20:39 2012, in response to Re: Willard's Offshore Assets Remain Hidden, posted by bingbong on Thu Jul 5 10:11:14 2012.* fiogf49gjkf0d Now they have to determine if there is criminality to it. Why would there be criminality to it?
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Posted by Charles G* on Thu Jul 5 10:56:50 2012, in response to Re: Willard's Offshore Assets Remain Hidden, posted by bingbong on Thu Jul 5 07:54:42 2012.* fiogf49gjkf0d How do you know what this money is or is not doing? The fund is a "high-yield" fund, which is the polite name for "junk bond" fund, which is the impolite name given to a fund that loans moneys to companies that are poor financial risks. These companies may be in the US or may be elsewhere. By the name of the fund, I'd suggest that they are actually in the business of saving jobs by extending a lifeline (albeit an expensive one) to companies that would otherwise have to close down.
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Posted by Fred G* on Thu Jul 5 11:44:26 2012, in response to Re: Willard's Offshore Assets Remain Hidden, posted by Charles G on Thu Jul 5 10:56:50 2012.* fiogf49gjkf0d By the name of the fund, I'd suggest that they are actually in the business of saving jobs by extending a lifeline (albeit an expensive one) to companies that would otherwise have to close down. "Sankaty" means "save jobs" ? your pal, Fred
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Re: Willard's Offshore Assets Remain Hidden
Posted by Fred G* on Thu Jul 5 11:50:11 2012, in response to Re: Willard's Offshore Assets Remain Hidden, posted by Fred G on Thu Jul 5 11:44:26 2012.* fiogf49gjkf0d Sounds like something Detective Joe Jitsu might say. your pal, Fred
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Posted by SelkirkTMO* on Thu Jul 5 11:54:45 2012, in response to Re: Willard's Offshore Assets Remain Hidden, posted by Fred G on Thu Jul 5 11:44:26 2012.* fiogf49gjkf0d In Chinese, yes. Pronounced with feeling, "Sankatyverymuch." :)
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Posted by 3-9* on Thu Jul 5 13:12:51 2012, in response to Re: Willard's Offshore Assets Remain Hidden, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Jul 5 10:20:39 2012.* fiogf49gjkf0d Possible tax dodging, for one.
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Posted by Terrapin Station* on Thu Jul 5 13:24:50 2012, in response to Re: Willard's Offshore Assets Remain Hidden, posted by 3-9 on Thu Jul 5 13:12:51 2012.* fiogf49gjkf0d Possible tax dodging, for one. Doesn't the article make it clear that that's not in question?
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Posted by Olog-hai* on Thu Jul 5 13:54:53 2012, in response to Willard's Offshore Assets Remain Hidden, posted by SMAZ on Thu Jul 5 02:43:38 2012.* fiogf49gjkf0d . . . and "your president" is doing nothing about it. Must be a non-story then.
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Re: Willard's Offshore Assets Remain Hidden
Posted by Train Dude* on Thu Jul 5 14:01:35 2012, in response to Re: Willard's Offshore Assets Remain Hidden, posted by bingbong on Thu Jul 5 10:11:14 2012.* fiogf49gjkf0d "This has just been discovered. " Hey moron, it says in the first line of the article that it's been there for 15 years. That hardly qualifies as just discovered.
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Re: Willard's Offshore Assets Remain Hidden
Posted by Train Dude* on Thu Jul 5 14:05:24 2012, in response to Re: Willard's Offshore Assets Remain Hidden, posted by 3-9 on Thu Jul 5 13:12:51 2012.* fiogf49gjkf0d I guess like all the other knee-jerk liberals, you didn't bother to read the article
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Posted by Dave* on Thu Jul 5 14:28:57 2012, in response to Re: Willard's Offshore Assets Remain Hidden, posted by Train Dude on Thu Jul 5 14:01:35 2012.* fiogf49gjkf0d TD, stop confusing the issue with facts! But there's no need for name calling, IMO.
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Posted by Train Dude* on Thu Jul 5 14:42:03 2012, in response to Re: Willard's Offshore Assets Remain Hidden, posted by Dave on Thu Jul 5 14:28:57 2012.* fiogf49gjkf0d Perhaps not but Bing-Bong seems to enjoy it so I play along
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Posted by 3-9* on Thu Jul 5 14:58:37 2012, in response to Re: Willard's Offshore Assets Remain Hidden, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Jul 5 13:24:50 2012.* fiogf49gjkf0d Must've missed that part, they only talked about disclosure regarding his ethics filings, not necessarily if he gave incorrect data on his tax returns.
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Posted by Terrapin Station* on Thu Jul 5 15:35:20 2012, in response to Re: Willard's Offshore Assets Remain Hidden, posted by 3-9 on Thu Jul 5 14:58:37 2012.* fiogf49gjkf0d Must've missed that part, they only talked about disclosure regarding his ethics filings, not necessarily if he gave incorrect data on his tax returns. The OP says "Only the Romneys' 2010 tax records, released under political pressure earlier this year, confirmed their continuing control of the company." Assuming that, since his company was mentioned on the 2010 tax returns, it has probably been mentioned on every year's applicable tax returns, why would you think that the IRS wouldn't have already conducted an investigation if there was any chance that he had given incorrect data? It seems the IRS has always known about this company, it's only the public that is just finding out the additional details now.
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Posted by 3-9* on Thu Jul 5 17:04:20 2012, in response to Re: Willard's Offshore Assets Remain Hidden, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Jul 5 15:35:20 2012.* fiogf49gjkf0d The IRS does not investigate every tax return. Granted, they're more likely to investigate a big fish like this, but it did not say specifically if they did.
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Re: Mitt Romney's Offshore Assets Remain Hidden
Posted by Spider-Pig* on Thu Jul 5 17:05:16 2012, in response to Willard's Offshore Assets Remain Hidden, posted by SMAZ on Thu Jul 5 02:43:38 2012.* fiogf49gjkf0d Why do you have so little respect for a person's right to be known however he wishes to be known?
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Posted by Terrapin Station* on Thu Jul 5 17:21:55 2012, in response to Re: Willard's Offshore Assets Remain Hidden, posted by 3-9 on Thu Jul 5 17:04:20 2012.* fiogf49gjkf0d I understand that. But why would the fact that he has publicly released his 2010 tax return, containing information that has already been known to the Federal Gov't for many, many years, all the sudden bring up a question of criminality/tax dodging? If the IRS suspected anything, they could certainly act on it. Nothing has changed.
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Posted by bingbong* on Thu Jul 5 20:38:37 2012, in response to Re: Willard's Offshore Assets Remain Hidden, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Jul 5 10:20:13 2012.* fiogf49gjkf0d Thanks for catching that. I did mean no. Caught computing while exhausted I guess.
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Posted by bingbong* on Thu Jul 5 21:03:23 2012, in response to Re: Willard's Offshore Assets Remain Hidden, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Jul 5 17:21:55 2012.* fiogf49gjkf0d I fnot tax issues, there could be criminality WRT ethics disclosures. Let's allow those who know what the actual applicable laws are figure it out. if there's something here, may be be indicted on the appropriate charges. This thing is early on, best we can do now is to permit investigators to investigate.
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Re: Mitt Romney's Offshore Assets Remain Hidden
Posted by Train Dude* on Thu Jul 5 21:07:56 2012, in response to Re: Mitt Romney's Offshore Assets Remain Hidden, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jul 5 17:05:16 2012.* fiogf49gjkf0d Issue of the left, so it would seem.
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Posted by SelkirkTMO* on Thu Jul 5 21:16:19 2012, in response to Re: Mitt Romney's Offshore Assets Remain Hidden, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jul 5 17:05:16 2012.* fiogf49gjkf0d "Hussein" ... next? :)
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Re: Mitt Romney's Offshore Assets Remain Hidden
Posted by bingbong* on Thu Jul 5 21:18:56 2012, in response to Re: Mitt Romney's Offshore Assets Remain Hidden, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jul 5 17:05:16 2012.* fiogf49gjkf0d Ok....this guy has been running from his record in Massachusetts for years now. He's running from his record at Bain now, as much of it comes to light. He's even running from his real name.
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Posted by RockParkMan* on Thu Jul 5 21:21:40 2012, in response to Re: Mitt Romney's Offshore Assets Remain Hidden, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jul 5 17:05:16 2012.* fiogf49gjkf0d because he's a piece of shit TRUE NAZI who deserves prison for all of the GOOD UNION jobs he sold to China.
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Posted by Train Dude* on Thu Jul 5 21:23:13 2012, in response to Re: Mitt Romney's Offshore Assets Remain Hidden, posted by bingbong on Thu Jul 5 21:18:56 2012.* fiogf49gjkf0d Bullshit Bullshit Bullshit I won't bother to ask for proof. I know that you'll come up with some liberal clap-trap.
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Posted by Fred G* on Thu Jul 5 22:12:36 2012, in response to Re: Mitt Romney's Offshore Assets Remain Hidden, posted by bingbong on Thu Jul 5 21:18:56 2012.* fiogf49gjkf0d Romney was a shitty governor of Massachusetts who made everyone buy health insurance. your pal, Fred
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Posted by Train Dude* on Thu Jul 5 22:14:57 2012, in response to Re: Mitt Romney's Offshore Assets Remain Hidden, posted by Fred G on Thu Jul 5 22:12:36 2012.* fiogf49gjkf0d And as we all know - he's running away from that record, now.
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Posted by SelkirkTMO* on Thu Jul 5 22:23:40 2012, in response to Re: Mitt Romney's Offshore Assets Remain Hidden, posted by Train Dude on Thu Jul 5 22:14:57 2012.* fiogf49gjkf0d More like watersports ... OH the irony! But good chowdah as long as you can pahk your cah. ::
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Posted by Train Dude* on Thu Jul 5 22:27:20 2012, in response to Re: Mitt Romney's Offshore Assets Remain Hidden, posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Jul 5 22:23:40 2012.* fiogf49gjkf0d Hey, our next president likes wind surfing and jet stkiing. I like him more than a president - golfer who can't pull his putz and keeps losing his balls.
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Posted by SelkirkTMO* on Thu Jul 5 22:29:06 2012, in response to Re: Mitt Romney's Offshore Assets Remain Hidden, posted by Train Dude on Thu Jul 5 22:27:20 2012.* fiogf49gjkf0d Heh. Kerry in Jesus Jammies ... yep ... excellent choice! :)
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Posted by bingbong* on Thu Jul 5 22:30:52 2012, in response to Re: Mitt Romney's Offshore Assets Remain Hidden, posted by Train Dude on Thu Jul 5 22:27:20 2012.* fiogf49gjkf0d You guys condemned Sen Kerry for the things when he ran. Turnaround is about the fairest play in modern politics you're gonna get.
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Posted by Train Dude* on Thu Jul 5 22:32:51 2012, in response to Re: Mitt Romney's Offshore Assets Remain Hidden, posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Jul 5 22:29:06 2012.* fiogf49gjkf0d what are you talking about now?
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Posted by Train Dude* on Thu Jul 5 22:34:04 2012, in response to Re: Mitt Romney's Offshore Assets Remain Hidden, posted by bingbong on Thu Jul 5 22:30:52 2012.* fiogf49gjkf0d Show me where I condemned Kerry for any recreational activity, asshole. Time you backed up your bullshit - cow.
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Posted by SelkirkTMO* on Thu Jul 5 22:42:44 2012, in response to Re: Mitt Romney's Offshore Assets Remain Hidden, posted by Train Dude on Thu Jul 5 22:32:51 2012.* fiogf49gjkf0d I even provided a video daily double there ... see left pic, see right pic, your guy is Bizarro world Kerry. Heh!
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Posted by SelkirkTMO* on Thu Jul 5 22:44:12 2012, in response to Re: Mitt Romney's Offshore Assets Remain Hidden, posted by Train Dude on Thu Jul 5 22:34:04 2012.* fiogf49gjkf0d Beach footwear summer ... yay! :)
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Posted by Spider-Pig* on Thu Jul 5 22:48:27 2012, in response to Re: Mitt Romney's Offshore Assets Remain Hidden, posted by bingbong on Thu Jul 5 21:18:56 2012.* fiogf49gjkf0d LOL!
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Posted by Train Dude* on Thu Jul 5 22:49:34 2012, in response to Re: Mitt Romney's Offshore Assets Remain Hidden, posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Jul 5 22:42:44 2012.* fiogf49gjkf0d I have no problem with people who are physically active serving public office. I did not dislike Kerry for his rich wife or his water sports (although I did post about him docking his yacht in another state to avoid paying Ma. luxury taxes on it).. For the record, I also saw nothing wrong with Clinton's interest in Jazz though I didn't like when he was giving monica "flute lessons" while on duty.
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Posted by SelkirkTMO* on Thu Jul 5 22:51:24 2012, in response to Re: Mitt Romney's Offshore Assets Remain Hidden, posted by Train Dude on Thu Jul 5 22:49:34 2012.* fiogf49gjkf0d It was still THE major event that caused Kerry's downfall ... that wind surfing thing was his Dukakis in a tank. And hey ... all the republicans are pissed at him over that photo op too. Me? I could care. But it's funny as hell. And Clinton got blown by an intern. The Twin Towers got blown by a Bush. All things considered, give Bubba another one.
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Posted by Train Dude* on Thu Jul 5 23:00:05 2012, in response to Re: Mitt Romney's Offshore Assets Remain Hidden, posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Jul 5 22:51:24 2012.* fiogf49gjkf0d Geez, you are all over the place tonight. When and where did the republicans make an issue about wind surfing. I remember the speedboat issues in viet nam. Were they wind surfing there too?
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Posted by Train Dude* on Thu Jul 5 23:00:35 2012, in response to Re: Mitt Romney's Offshore Assets Remain Hidden, posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Jul 5 22:51:24 2012.* fiogf49gjkf0d Geez, you are all over the place tonight. When and where did the republicans make an issue about wind surfing. I remember the ~~speedboat~~ Swiftboat issues in viet nam. Were they wind surfing there too?
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Posted by SelkirkTMO* on Thu Jul 5 23:11:41 2012, in response to Re: Mitt Romney's Offshore Assets Remain Hidden, posted by Train Dude on Thu Jul 5 23:00:05 2012.* fiogf49gjkf0d Apparently you're getting dizzy ... my bad, dog ... I snipped the wires on your bullshit button, so don't bother.
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Posted by Train Dude* on Thu Jul 5 23:14:03 2012, in response to Re: Mitt Romney's Offshore Assets Remain Hidden, posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Jul 5 23:11:41 2012.* fiogf49gjkf0d Come on, Kevin, I thought that was a clever ad. It was not a swipe at wind surfing but used windsurfing as a visual to make the point about flip-flopping - but then again, I bet you already knew that.
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Re: Mitt Romney's Offshore Assets Remain Hidden
Posted by SelkirkTMO* on Thu Jul 5 23:20:37 2012, in response to Re: Mitt Romney's Offshore Assets Remain Hidden, posted by Train Dude on Thu Jul 5 23:14:03 2012.* fiogf49gjkf0d Yep ... and this time around, Kerry is the republican. Thank you, God! :)
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Re: Mitt Romney's Offshore Assets Remain Hidden
Posted by Train Dude* on Thu Jul 5 23:27:45 2012, in response to Re: Mitt Romney's Offshore Assets Remain Hidden, posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Jul 5 23:20:37 2012.* fiogf49gjkf0d Alls fair in love and politics. I am going to love when they start playing the obama campaign sound-bytes contrasted against the reality.
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Posted by SelkirkTMO* on Thu Jul 5 23:32:21 2012, in response to Re: Mitt Romney's Offshore Assets Remain Hidden, posted by Train Dude on Thu Jul 5 23:27:45 2012.* fiogf49gjkf0d I firmly believe that this is going to be the batshittiest October EVAR! People may even forget it's celebrate with beer month. :)
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Re: Mitt Romney's Offshore Assets Remain Hidden
Posted by Train Dude* on Thu Jul 5 23:35:09 2012, in response to Re: Mitt Romney's Offshore Assets Remain Hidden, posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Jul 5 23:32:21 2012.* fiogf49gjkf0d One can only hope so. BTW - we'll be in Munich Germany next September for the Oktoberfest. Perhaps the drinking should begin here in september too.
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