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Re: The Homophobic Batshit Continues

Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jun 3 15:50:44 2012, in response to Re: The Homophobic Batshit Continues, posted by LuchAAA on Sun Jun 3 15:40:44 2012.

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Why would a perfect god design an imperfect universe?

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Re: The Homophobic Batshit Continues

Posted by LuchAAA on Sun Jun 3 15:53:35 2012, in response to Re: The Homophobic Batshit Continues, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jun 3 15:50:44 2012.

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who said anything about a perfect god?

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Re: The Homophobic Batshit Continues

Posted by cortelyounext on Sun Jun 3 15:53:37 2012, in response to Re: The Homophobic Batshit Continues, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jun 3 15:50:07 2012.

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For the last time, please stop using words such as skouemorphic in your posts, and thanks again for your thoughtful contributions to this board over the years.

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Re: The Homophobic Batshit Continues

Posted by Train Dude on Sun Jun 3 15:53:44 2012, in response to Re: The Homophobic Batshit Continues, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jun 3 15:50:07 2012.

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They (parking brakes) certainly are redundant. Much like our appendix, evolution has made certain body parts unnecessary. Male nipples are still used, however in certain rituals and sex games.

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Re: The Homophobic Batshit Continues

Posted by cortelyounext on Sun Jun 3 15:55:41 2012, in response to Re: The Homophobic Batshit Continues, posted by LuchAAA on Sun Jun 3 15:53:35 2012.

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Are you going to put Spider-Pig on the 2012 (Mid Year) LOL? He is a fanatical supporter of health care reform I think.

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Re: The Homophobic Batshit Continues

Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jun 3 16:00:48 2012, in response to Re: The Homophobic Batshit Continues, posted by JayMan on Sun Jun 3 14:59:50 2012.

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Yes, we did. People like that don't matter.

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Re: The Homophobic Batshit Continues

Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jun 3 16:02:44 2012, in response to Re: The Homophobic Batshit Continues, posted by JayMan on Sun Jun 3 15:06:01 2012.

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The kind of stuff that an atheist would consider "moral."

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Re: The Homophobic Batshit Continues

Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jun 3 16:03:28 2012, in response to Re: The Homophobic Batshit Continues, posted by JayMan on Sun Jun 3 15:08:29 2012.

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???

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Re: The Homophobic Batshit Continues

Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jun 3 16:04:00 2012, in response to Re: The Homophobic Batshit Continues, posted by JayMan on Sun Jun 3 15:11:14 2012.

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I was only repeating the number and not passing judgment on it.

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Re: The Homophobic Batshit Continues

Posted by LuchAAA on Sun Jun 3 16:05:04 2012, in response to Re: The Homophobic Batshit Continues, posted by cortelyounext on Sun Jun 3 15:55:41 2012.

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be careful. follow instructions. be alert. check your fuel before takeoff.

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Re: The Homophobic Batshit Continues

Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jun 3 16:05:29 2012, in response to Re: The Homophobic Batshit Continues, posted by JayMan on Sun Jun 3 15:13:32 2012.

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And of course, creationism is the DEFINITION of stupidity. The thesaurus people should include "creationist" as a synonym for the words stupid (n), dullard, et. al.

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Re: The Homophobic Batshit Continues

Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jun 3 16:08:34 2012, in response to Re: The Homophobic Batshit Continues, posted by LuchAAA on Sun Jun 3 15:53:35 2012.

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Why would you believe your "god" to be non-perfect? What would be the point of worshipping such a thing? Even the North Koreans believe their gods, the Kims, are perfect.

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Re: The Homophobic Batshit Continues

Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jun 3 16:09:39 2012, in response to Re: The Homophobic Batshit Continues, posted by Train Dude on Sun Jun 3 15:53:44 2012.

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Exactly, EVOLUTION has made certain parts redundant. I disagree that the parking brake is entirely redundant.

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Re: The Homophobic Batshit Continues

Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jun 3 16:09:59 2012, in response to Re: The Homophobic Batshit Continues, posted by cortelyounext on Sun Jun 3 15:53:37 2012.

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I agree. From now on I will spell it correctly.

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Re: The Homophobic Batshit Continues

Posted by JayMan on Sun Jun 3 16:16:01 2012, in response to Re: The Homophobic Batshit Continues, posted by LuchAAA on Sun Jun 3 15:53:35 2012.

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If God isn't perfect, why do we need him to explain anything?

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Re: The Homophobic Batshit Continues

Posted by cortelyounext on Sun Jun 3 16:18:05 2012, in response to Re: The Homophobic Batshit Continues, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jun 3 16:09:59 2012.

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That was totally uncalled for.

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Re: The Homophobic Batshit Continues

Posted by JayMan on Sun Jun 3 16:20:26 2012, in response to Re: The Homophobic Batshit Continues, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jun 3 16:02:44 2012.

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Are there any morals that atheists universally agree upon? Even if so, those would be the morals of said group. I don't buy that morality exists in a platonic sense like mathematics does.

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Re: The Homophobic Batshit Continues

Posted by JayMan on Sun Jun 3 16:21:46 2012, in response to Re: The Homophobic Batshit Continues, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jun 3 16:00:48 2012.

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Hardly true since they are becoming more numerous, unfortunately.

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Re: The Homophobic Batshit Continues

Posted by cortelyounext on Sun Jun 3 16:22:56 2012, in response to Re: The Homophobic Batshit Continues, posted by LuchAAA on Sun Jun 3 16:05:04 2012.

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I refuse to be distracted by threads - I'll have enough on my mind trying to overcome gusty crosswinds in my assigned piece of equipment which is, sadly, aerodynamically unsound.

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Re: The Homophobic Batshit Continues

Posted by LuchAAA on Sun Jun 3 16:25:56 2012, in response to Re: The Homophobic Batshit Continues, posted by cortelyounext on Sun Jun 3 16:22:56 2012.

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if you weren't going back to work, I was going to put you on The List.

The List may come out on 6/15. I have to see.

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Re: The Homophobic Batshit Continues

Posted by JayMan on Sun Jun 3 16:28:42 2012, in response to Re: The Homophobic Batshit Continues, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jun 3 16:05:29 2012.

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But, let's be realistic here. Most people who profess to believe in evolution are much too stupid to understand it. They believe it only because it's what their social category has deemed to be right.

I've said it before, and I'll likely say it again. While folks like HBD'ers extol average IQs of 100+, let's not forget that a person with an IQ of 100 isn't at all very smart. You don't see respectable intelligence until at least IQ of 120.

But then, maybe I'm biased because my IQ is much higher than that. Maybe to someone whose IQ is 170, I am a slobbering buffoon. ;)

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Re: The Homophobic Batshit Continues

Posted by Rockparkman on Sun Jun 3 16:32:49 2012, in response to Re: The Homophobic Batshit Continues, posted by JayMan on Sun Jun 3 16:28:42 2012.

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Mine is 135 and I think you're s slobbering buffoon. Eugenics is for agriculture, NOT humans, Dr. Mengele.

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Re: The Homophobic Batshit Continues

Posted by JayMan on Sun Jun 3 17:19:14 2012, in response to Re: The Homophobic Batshit Continues, posted by Rockparkman on Sun Jun 3 16:32:49 2012.

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Hmmm... How old were you when you were last tested?

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Re: The Homophobic Batshit Continues

Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jun 3 17:59:01 2012, in response to Re: The Homophobic Batshit Continues, posted by JayMan on Sun Jun 3 16:20:26 2012.

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That is called moral relativism and it is abominable.

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Re: The Homophobic Batshit Continues

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Jun 3 17:59:21 2012, in response to Re: The Homophobic Batshit Continues, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jun 3 16:09:39 2012.

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Science has discovered recently that the appendix DOES have a purpose - it's a "pocket" which retains digestive bacteria and allows restoration when those in the rest of the tract are wiped out for whatever reason ...

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Re: The Homophobic Batshit Continues

Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jun 3 18:01:29 2012, in response to Re: The Homophobic Batshit Continues, posted by JayMan on Sun Jun 3 16:21:46 2012.

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No, they still don't matter.

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Re: The Homophobic Batshit Continues

Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jun 3 18:01:49 2012, in response to Re: The Homophobic Batshit Continues, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jun 3 18:01:29 2012.

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Not everything is about HBD.

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Re: The Homophobic Batshit Continues

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Jun 3 20:20:46 2012, in response to Re: The Homophobic Batshit Continues, posted by LuchAAA on Sun Jun 3 15:53:35 2012.

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There are plenty things wrong, but in my personal belief (whether or not there is a "God" is besides the point), but "misery", sickness and everything is around because you really don't know how good you have it until there's a problem. What I mean by that is, when things are always good, we tend to get indifferent, unconcerned, unthinking, and just too comfortable. You don't know what good is until you suffered a little.
Again, sounds crazy, but on a small scale, did you ever have a cold, and you are in absolute misery, and as you begin to get better, you say, wow, I really feel good now. Well, you don't know what it feels like to feel good until you have been sick.

We all become too comfortable when things are going to well.

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Re: The Homophobic Batshit Continues

Posted by SMAZ on Sun Jun 3 22:23:48 2012, in response to Re: The Homophobic Batshit Continues, posted by LuchAAA on Sun Jun 3 15:24:01 2012.

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creationism is not stupid.


Neither is the Easter Bunny.

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Re: The Homophobic Batshit Continues

Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jun 3 22:26:06 2012, in response to Re: The Homophobic Batshit Continues, posted by SMAZ on Sun Jun 3 22:23:48 2012.

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Belief in the Eaater Bunny is not as stupid as belief in creationism.

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Re: The Homophobic Batshit Continues

Posted by JayMan on Sun Jun 3 22:52:40 2012, in response to Re: The Homophobic Batshit Continues, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jun 3 17:59:01 2012.

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I'm sure that there are things that both you and I would agree as being moral/immoral. That said, that doesn't change the fact that morality is a human invention.

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Re: The Homophobic Batshit Continues

Posted by JayMan on Sun Jun 3 22:53:52 2012, in response to Re: The Homophobic Batshit Continues, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jun 3 18:01:49 2012.

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Not everything, but it matters a lot more than you apparently think it does.

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Re: The Homophobic Batshit Continues

Posted by JayMan on Sun Jun 3 22:55:08 2012, in response to Re: The Homophobic Batshit Continues, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Jun 3 20:20:46 2012.

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We all become too comfortable when things are going to well.

Why, exactly, would that be a bad thing?

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Re: The Homophobic Batshit Continues

Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jun 3 22:58:29 2012, in response to Re: The Homophobic Batshit Continues, posted by JayMan on Sun Jun 3 22:52:40 2012.

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Of course it's a human invention. I don't see your point. That other apes are "immoral" doesn't really change that there are certain universal values.

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Re: The Homophobic Batshit Continues

Posted by Easy on Sun Jun 3 22:59:37 2012, in response to Re: The Homophobic Batshit Continues, posted by JayMan on Sun Jun 3 22:55:08 2012.

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Do you view complacency as a good thing?

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Re: The Homophobic Batshit Continues

Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jun 3 22:59:44 2012, in response to Re: The Homophobic Batshit Continues, posted by JayMan on Sun Jun 3 22:53:52 2012.

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No, it's that you seem to believe that idiots like that have any power or influence whatsoever.

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Re: The Homophobic Batshit Continues

Posted by JayMan on Sun Jun 3 23:31:12 2012, in response to Re: The Homophobic Batshit Continues, posted by Easy on Sun Jun 3 22:59:37 2012.

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If there was no suffering in the world why would complacency be a bad thing?

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Re: The Homophobic Batshit Continues

Posted by JayMan on Sun Jun 3 23:36:10 2012, in response to Re: The Homophobic Batshit Continues, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jun 3 22:58:29 2012.

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But that's just it, there aren't any universal values.* Otherwise we wouldn't have disagreements over what is moral. The values you insist are universal are only universal to the subset of people who agree with you. While I'd like accept many of them as being moral, that doesn't make them any more "special". They aren't any more the "proper" morals because they're yours.

*note that I'd actually be happy to be proven wrong and to see an example of a moral principle that we can show to be universal.

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Re: The Homophobic Batshit Continues

Posted by JayMan on Sun Jun 3 23:38:25 2012, in response to Re: The Homophobic Batshit Continues, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jun 3 22:26:06 2012.

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Do you really think it'd be less stupid for a grown person to believe in the Easter Bunny than it would be if they believed in creationism?

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Re: The Homophobic Batshit Continues

Posted by JayMan on Sun Jun 3 23:39:36 2012, in response to Re: The Homophobic Batshit Continues, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jun 3 22:59:44 2012.

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They do when they go to the polls...

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Re: The Homophobic Batshit Continues

Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jun 3 23:47:53 2012, in response to Re: The Homophobic Batshit Continues, posted by JayMan on Sun Jun 3 23:36:10 2012.

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They are because I belong to the superior civilization.

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Re: The Homophobic Batshit Continues

Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jun 3 23:48:33 2012, in response to Re: The Homophobic Batshit Continues, posted by JayMan on Sun Jun 3 23:38:25 2012.

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How is that different than the sky god most people believe in?

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Re: The Homophobic Batshit Continues

Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jun 3 23:49:39 2012, in response to Re: The Homophobic Batshit Continues, posted by JayMan on Sun Jun 3 23:39:36 2012.

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Nope.

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Re: The Homophobic Batshit Continues

Posted by JayMan on Sun Jun 3 23:59:24 2012, in response to Re: The Homophobic Batshit Continues, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jun 3 23:47:53 2012.

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They are better, but the claim I'm really asking you to prove is that they are universal. That was your claim, and it's a mighty big one...

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Re: The Homophobic Batshit Continues

Posted by JayMan on Mon Jun 4 00:04:12 2012, in response to Re: The Homophobic Batshit Continues, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jun 3 23:48:33 2012.

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Belief is God in some form is hardwired into most people's brains and for people who lack the intelligence to analyze the universe critically God does provide some fufilling answers to some deep questions. Nevermind that it's an illusion, but it is seemingly sensible one. A grown person would find it hard to defend belief in th Easter Bunny.

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Re: The Homophobic Batshit Continues

Posted by JayMan on Mon Jun 4 00:05:06 2012, in response to Re: The Homophobic Batshit Continues, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jun 3 23:49:39 2012.

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Then how do you explain the Teabaggers and the like?

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Re: The Homophobic Batshit Continues

Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jun 4 00:07:48 2012, in response to Re: The Homophobic Batshit Continues, posted by JayMan on Mon Jun 4 00:05:06 2012.

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They are played for the fools that they are by politicians who use them.

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Re: The Homophobic Batshit Continues

Posted by SMAZ on Mon Jun 4 00:16:30 2012, in response to Re: The Homophobic Batshit Continues, posted by JayMan on Mon Jun 4 00:04:12 2012.

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Nevermind that it's an illusion, but it is seemingly sensible one. A grown person would find it hard to defend belief in th Easter Bunny.


a belief in a higher power is sensible.

OTOH, a belief in fairy tales like the Easter Bunny or the Adam and Eve story is not fit for a mature adult brain.

Such ridiculous stories are no different than those of babies being delivered by storks.

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Re: The Homophobic Batshit Continues

Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Jun 4 00:20:15 2012, in response to Re: The Homophobic Batshit Continues, posted by JayMan on Mon Jun 4 00:05:06 2012.

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HBD has something to do with the Tea Party?

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Re: The Homophobic Batshit Continues

Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jun 4 00:26:42 2012, in response to Re: The Homophobic Batshit Continues, posted by SMAZ on Mon Jun 4 00:16:30 2012.

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No, it isn't.

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