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Re: The Homophobic Batshit Continues

Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jun 1 09:30:47 2012, in response to Re: The Homophobic Batshit Continues, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Jun 1 08:08:15 2012.

That 32% is an example of people who are rational enough to believe in the truth (evolution), but still emotionally cling to superstitions. I don't condemn them though because I have the same problem. I wish religion were true but I know regrettably that it isn't.

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Re: The Homophobic Batshit Continues

Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jun 1 09:31:44 2012, in response to Re: The Homophobic Batshit Continues, posted by JayZeeBMT on Fri Jun 1 08:21:09 2012.

That is true. I think most of us can respect someone who believes in divine intervention in evolution. But creationism is just profoundly stupid.

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Re: The Homophobic Batshit Continues

Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jun 1 09:38:36 2012, in response to Re: The Homophobic Batshit Continues, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jun 1 09:31:44 2012.

It's Ologesque.

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Re: The Homophobic Batshit Continues

Posted by AlM on Fri Jun 1 09:54:44 2012, in response to Re: The Homophobic Batshit Continues, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Jun 1 08:23:30 2012.

The idea that humans evolved with God guiding is very strong among Roman Catholics (and probably other groups as well). It is NOT Creationism, even if you think it is. People who believe that have no problem at all with evolution as taught in any sane school system.





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Re: The Homophobic Batshit Continues

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Fri Jun 1 10:28:19 2012, in response to Re: The Homophobic Batshit Continues, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Jun 1 08:23:30 2012.

Oh, now I'm waging "war on the Bible", because I object to a church teaching a five-year-old how to hate?

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Re: The Homophobic Batshit Continues

Posted by Fred G on Fri Jun 1 10:46:31 2012, in response to Re: The Homophobic Batshit Continues, posted by JayZeeBMT on Fri Jun 1 10:28:19 2012.

Some people over-generalize. Look for words like "widespread" by the end of the day :)

your pal,
Fred

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Re: The Homophobic Batshit Continues

Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Fri Jun 1 14:29:52 2012, in response to Re: The Homophobic Batshit Continues, posted by Fred G on Fri Jun 1 10:46:31 2012.

Hes the one over using widespread by trying to make it sound like this lunatic "church" group is "widespread". I dont hear you correcting him in the same way.

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Re: The Homophobic Batshit Continues

Posted by Edwards! on Fri Jun 1 21:23:57 2012, in response to Re: The Homophobic Batshit Continues, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Jun 1 07:58:04 2012.

yup..and i love every minute of it.

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Re: The Homophobic Batshit Continues

Posted by Edwards! on Fri Jun 1 21:26:21 2012, in response to Re: The Homophobic Batshit Continues, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jun 1 03:42:40 2012.

LOL! You think Thats funny..wait until i hit you with the good stuff!
you'll really crack up,then..

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Re: The Homophobic Batshit Continues

Posted by Edwards! on Fri Jun 1 21:30:45 2012, in response to Re: The Homophobic Batshit Continues, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Jun 1 07:58:04 2012.

of course i am..especially if it come to politics..religion..or any of those things you guys seem to cling to in some sort of weird OCD fashion.

Funny thing though..What I said was the truth..deny it if you wish.

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Re: The Homophobic Batshit Continues

Posted by Edwards! on Fri Jun 1 21:40:01 2012, in response to Re: The Homophobic Batshit Continues, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Jun 1 08:08:15 2012.

i take it you mean "polled people"..
Believe it or not..there are more people out there that believe IN GOD than there aren't..
furthermore..a reasonably intelligent person wouldn't see the need to take a "poll" that flies in the face of their faith..whether its apparent or not..

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Re: The Homophobic Batshit Continues

Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jun 1 21:40:52 2012, in response to Re: The Homophobic Batshit Continues, posted by AlM on Fri Jun 1 09:54:44 2012.

Excellent post.

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Re: The Homophobic Batshit Continues

Posted by Edwards! on Fri Jun 1 21:41:18 2012, in response to Re: The Homophobic Batshit Continues, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jun 1 09:30:47 2012.

YAWN..spoken like a true trog..

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Re: The Homophobic Batshit Continues

Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jun 1 22:34:39 2012, in response to Re: The Homophobic Batshit Continues, posted by JayZeeBMT on Fri Jun 1 10:28:19 2012.

You are but it's a just war.

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Re: The Homophobic Batshit Continues

Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jun 2 00:34:35 2012, in response to Re: The Homophobic Batshit Continues, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Jun 1 08:02:11 2012.

It's not a complex when it's based on reality.

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Re: The Homophobic Batshit Continues

Posted by Fred G on Sat Jun 2 00:40:03 2012, in response to Re: The Homophobic Batshit Continues, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Jun 1 08:02:11 2012.

It's not a complex when they're talking about you from the pulpit or from the podium.

your pal,
Fred

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Re: The Homophobic Batshit Continues

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jun 2 01:04:10 2012, in response to Re: The Homophobic Batshit Continues, posted by Fred G on Sat Jun 2 00:40:03 2012.

And "persecution complex" ... "libruls" :)

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Re: The Homophobic Batshit Continues

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Jun 2 03:44:19 2012, in response to Re: The Homophobic Batshit Continues, posted by Edwards! on Fri Jun 1 21:30:45 2012.

When have I ever "clung to religion" here?

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Re: The Homophobic Batshit Continues

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Jun 2 03:45:47 2012, in response to Re: The Homophobic Batshit Continues, posted by Fred G on Sat Jun 2 00:40:03 2012.

Yes....in psycho extremist fringe "churches".

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Re: The Homophobic Batshit Continues

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jun 2 04:15:42 2012, in response to Re: The Homophobic Batshit Continues, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Jun 2 03:45:47 2012.

You mean like the one your Presidential candidate is from? They LOVE "homos" there too, and even spend lotsa money on taking them down. :(

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Re: The Homophobic Batshit Continues

Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jun 2 04:24:24 2012, in response to Re: The Homophobic Batshit Continues, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Jun 2 03:44:19 2012.

IIRC, the fellow you're replying to "clung to religion" more times than you. He can't get his trolls straight . . .

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Re: The Homophobic Batshit Continues

Posted by SMAZ on Sat Jun 2 06:09:50 2012, in response to Re: The Homophobic Batshit Continues, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu May 31 11:34:13 2012.

but parents still have a right to impose their religious views on their children, whether moderate, non existing, or extreme.



of course they do



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Re: The Homophobic Batshit Continues

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jun 2 06:21:20 2012, in response to Re: The Homophobic Batshit Continues, posted by SMAZ on Sat Jun 2 06:09:50 2012.

You BETCHA!



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Re: The Homophobic Batshit Continues

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Jun 2 07:41:46 2012, in response to Re: The Homophobic Batshit Continues, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jun 2 04:15:42 2012.

I am not fan of the mormons, but it's by far better than the extremist racist church our president belonged to for 20 years, and only quit when it was obvious it was extremist and would hurt him politically.

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Re: The Homophobic Batshit Continues

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Jun 2 07:43:18 2012, in response to Re: The Homophobic Batshit Continues, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jun 2 06:21:20 2012.

Yes, extremist psychos. Most of us laugh at them.

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Re: The Homophobic Batshit Continues

Posted by Fred G on Sat Jun 2 09:37:03 2012, in response to Re: The Homophobic Batshit Continues, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Jun 2 03:45:47 2012.

That doesn't matter. Perhaps you have a hard time putting yourself in other people's shoes and understanding how it feels to be slandered like that. It's good to call out bigotry like that and it doesn't mean that somebody is suffering from some mental conditon because they object to it.

your pal,
Fred

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Re: The Homophobic Batshit Continues

Posted by Train Dude on Sat Jun 2 11:07:17 2012, in response to Re: The Homophobic Batshit Continues, posted by Edwards! on Fri Jun 1 02:47:24 2012.

"The so called "enlightened man",who is a humanist to the core..is nothing more than a sham..a creature bred for personal comforts wrapped in self love..greedy.. morally reprehensible..who loves nothing,hates everything..but convinces the world that they are humanitarians ..working towards the betterment of "mankind"...
Encouraging a developing each and every immoral act as a "feel good" moment..getting in touch with your "inner child" or "inner angel"..."


Congratulations! You've succeeded in describing every one of your "back and forths" with that other self-absorbed fool, selXXXX!

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Re: The Homophobic Batshit Continues

Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Jun 2 13:10:28 2012, in response to Re: The Homophobic Batshit Continues, posted by Fred G on Sat Jun 2 09:37:03 2012.

They hate the heterosexual "fornicator.s" just as much

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Re: The Homophobic Batshit Continues

Posted by Fred G on Sat Jun 2 13:20:33 2012, in response to Re: The Homophobic Batshit Continues, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Jun 2 13:10:28 2012.

I doubt that very much. At any rate, I didn't see them singing "Aint No Fornicators Gonna Go To Heaven".

your pal,
Fred

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Re: The Homophobic Batshit Continues

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jun 2 17:55:17 2012, in response to Re: The Homophobic Batshit Continues, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Jun 2 07:41:46 2012.

Yeah, but do consider that Obama wasn't a BISHOP in that church. I have issues with putting a religious LEADER in the White House ... it's not like Romney's just a member of the faithful ...

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Re: The Homophobic Batshit Continues

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jun 2 17:56:05 2012, in response to Re: The Homophobic Batshit Continues, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Jun 2 07:43:18 2012.

And others NOMINATE them ...

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Re: The Homophobic Batshit Continues

Posted by Rockparkman on Sat Jun 2 20:47:08 2012, in response to Re: The Homophobic Batshit Continues, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jun 2 17:56:05 2012.

I LOOK FORWARD TO THE DAY OF THE AUTO RACKS.

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Re: The Homophobic Batshit Continues

Posted by Dan Lawrence on Sun Jun 3 11:21:51 2012, in response to Re: The Homophobic Batshit Continues, posted by Rockparkman on Sat Jun 2 20:47:08 2012.

Auto Racks today are totally covered to keep the nuts who like to throw rocks at the car windows away.

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Re: The Homophobic Batshit Continues

Posted by Rockparkman on Sun Jun 3 11:42:13 2012, in response to Re: The Homophobic Batshit Continues, posted by Dan Lawrence on Sun Jun 3 11:21:51 2012.

according to some Nazis, auto racks have a dual purpose.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pE8EwruBak8

Also:
http://www.subchat.com/read.asp?Id=1140287

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Re: The Homophobic Batshit Continues

Posted by JayMan on Sun Jun 3 14:57:00 2012, in response to Re: The Homophobic Batshit Continues, posted by ClearAspect on Thu May 31 08:59:41 2012.

Yes they do. That's the nature of the beast, whether we agree with it or not...

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Re: The Homophobic Batshit Continues

Posted by JayMan on Sun Jun 3 14:58:23 2012, in response to Re: The Homophobic Batshit Continues, posted by ClearAspect on Thu May 31 09:14:42 2012.

That's your opinion—a commendable one, but your opinion nonetheless. Others may not share it.

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Re: The Homophobic Batshit Continues

Posted by JayMan on Sun Jun 3 14:59:50 2012, in response to Re: The Homophobic Batshit Continues, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu May 31 10:21:42 2012.

Did we really?



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Re: The Homophobic Batshit Continues

Posted by JayMan on Sun Jun 3 15:05:09 2012, in response to Re: The Homophobic Batshit Continues, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu May 31 10:56:35 2012.

One quibble:

Parents don't impose their beliefs on their children.

The connection between parent and child, relative to the culture at large, is 100% genetic.

Where children do absorb the beliefs professed by their parents, over and above whatever they inherited from them, it is through the things they picked up by their peers (which they all got from their parents).

It's a roundabout process, at best.

In that sense, JayZee's objection to the church may have some merit, as all the children present represent the peer group that will serve to reinforce each other's beliefs.

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Re: The Homophobic Batshit Continues

Posted by JayMan on Sun Jun 3 15:06:01 2012, in response to Re: The Homophobic Batshit Continues, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu May 31 12:14:29 2012.

Universal morals?

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Re: The Homophobic Batshit Continues

Posted by JayMan on Sun Jun 3 15:08:29 2012, in response to Re: The Homophobic Batshit Continues, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu May 31 12:17:01 2012.

Kids don't get brainwashed against Jesus at school. They get brainwashed against creationism and whatever aspect of their religion that are odd with the facts taught in school.

Children don't get brainwashed against Jesus any more than they do Allah or Buddha...

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Re: The Homophobic Batshit Continues

Posted by JayMan on Sun Jun 3 15:11:14 2012, in response to Re: The Homophobic Batshit Continues, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu May 31 21:52:11 2012.

Do you think 99% of the public rejects the KKK? Maybe up here, but believe me mileage varies as you go around the country...

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Re: The Homophobic Batshit Continues

Posted by JayMan on Sun Jun 3 15:13:32 2012, in response to Re: The Homophobic Batshit Continues, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jun 1 07:30:49 2012.

Yes, I am in 100% agreement, people ARE stupid.

The rub is that the only way to change such things is to make people less stupid, which isn't going to happen anytime soon....

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Re: The Homophobic Batshit Continues

Posted by JayMan on Sun Jun 3 15:15:55 2012, in response to Re: The Homophobic Batshit Continues, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jun 1 09:31:44 2012.

How much different is belief in divine intervention in evolution—or even outright creationism for that matter—from denial of HBD?

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Re: The Homophobic Batshit Continues

Posted by LuchAAA on Sun Jun 3 15:24:01 2012, in response to Re: The Homophobic Batshit Continues, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jun 1 09:31:44 2012.

creationism is not stupid.

if you look at the universe, it was obviously planned.

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Re: The Homophobic Batshit Continues

Posted by JayMan on Sun Jun 3 15:36:28 2012, in response to Re: The Homophobic Batshit Continues, posted by LuchAAA on Sun Jun 3 15:24:01 2012.

Actually, if you look at the universe, it is obvious that it was not.

One of the most succinct examples is this: why do men have nipples?

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Re: The Homophobic Batshit Continues

Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jun 3 15:39:52 2012, in response to Re: The Homophobic Batshit Continues, posted by JayMan on Sun Jun 3 15:36:28 2012.

Excellent post.

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Re: The Homophobic Batshit Continues

Posted by LuchAAA on Sun Jun 3 15:40:44 2012, in response to Re: The Homophobic Batshit Continues, posted by JayMan on Sun Jun 3 15:36:28 2012.

i didn't say the universe was perfect.

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Re: The Homophobic Batshit Continues

Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jun 3 15:48:09 2012, in response to Re: The Homophobic Batshit Continues, posted by LuchAAA on Sun Jun 3 15:24:01 2012.

LOL! Creationism is by far the most idiotic thing that somewhat mainstream people still believe. It is less respectable than believing in Santa Claus or the Tooth Fairy, which at least bring happiness to children.

What about the universe makes you so certain that it must have been planned?

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Re: The Homophobic Batshit Continues

Posted by Train Dude on Sun Jun 3 15:48:18 2012, in response to Re: The Homophobic Batshit Continues, posted by JayMan on Sun Jun 3 15:36:28 2012.

For the same reasons cars with automatic transmissions still have parking brakes. They are certainly "planned".

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Re: The Homophobic Batshit Continues

Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jun 3 15:50:07 2012, in response to Re: The Homophobic Batshit Continues, posted by Train Dude on Sun Jun 3 15:48:18 2012.

The parking brakes on automatic cars aren't skeoumorphic. They're there to avoid tension on the parking pawl when parking on a hill. Unlike humans, cars are intelligently designed.

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