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Re: Obama: A menace to diplomacy

Posted by Fred G on Wed May 30 11:38:02 2012, in response to Re: Obama: A menace to diplomacy, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed May 30 10:04:57 2012.

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Oh, ohkayyyyy.

your pal,
Fred

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Re: Obama: A menace to diplomacy

Posted by Fred G on Wed May 30 11:46:37 2012, in response to Re: Obama: A menace to diplomacy, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed May 30 04:47:36 2012.

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LOL I can't believe they went there. Let's talk cocaine use now.

your pal,
Fred

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Re: Obama: A menace to diplomacy

Posted by AlM on Wed May 30 11:54:30 2012, in response to Re: Obama: A menace to diplomacy, posted by Fred G on Wed May 30 11:46:37 2012.

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What surprises me is that no indignant Republican has pointed out how unfit Obama is because his father was a bigamist, having failed to divorce his first wife before heading into a shotgun marriage with Barack's mother.



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We sensed a pattern in 2008 Re: Obama: A menace to diplomacy

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed May 30 12:07:52 2012, in response to Obama: A menace to diplomacy, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue May 29 21:26:40 2012.

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Remember when Obama claimed his uncle liberated Auschwitz while serving in the US Army?

As dumb as Bush sounded, he never made these kinds of elementary school mistakes. Obama seems to have a problem with Poland.

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Re: Obama: A menace to diplomacy

Posted by bingbong on Wed May 30 12:09:19 2012, in response to Re: Obama: A menace to diplomacy, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Wed May 30 04:53:22 2012.

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Obviously he never read them either.

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Re: We sensed a pattern in 2008 Re: Obama: A menace to diplomacy

Posted by dand124 on Wed May 30 12:10:07 2012, in response to We sensed a pattern in 2008 Re: Obama: A menace to diplomacy, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed May 30 12:07:52 2012.

fiogf49gjkf0d
Who cares? why not focus on real issues.

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Re: We sensed a pattern in 2008 Re: Obama: A menace to diplomacy

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed May 30 12:13:27 2012, in response to Re: We sensed a pattern in 2008 Re: Obama: A menace to diplomacy, posted by dand124 on Wed May 30 12:10:07 2012.

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It hints that we have a wholly unprepared man in the White House at a crucial time in our history. He's not an intellect, he's not a moderate and he's not a uniter. We need to correct this mistake in November.

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Re: Obama: A menace to diplomacy

Posted by dand124 on Wed May 30 12:15:42 2012, in response to Re: Obama: A menace to diplomacy, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Wed May 30 04:14:50 2012.

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if facts a wrong in the speech it's not his fault because other people are supposed to fact cheek for him.

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Re: We sensed a pattern in 2008 Re: Obama: A menace to diplomacy

Posted by Fred G on Wed May 30 12:16:15 2012, in response to Re: We sensed a pattern in 2008 Re: Obama: A menace to diplomacy, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed May 30 12:13:27 2012.

fiogf49gjkf0d
Well, you know when the polls are open so go do your thing. One of us will cancel your vote out :)

your pal,
Fred

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Re: We sensed a pattern in 2008 Re: Obama: A menace to diplomacy

Posted by AlM on Wed May 30 12:26:39 2012, in response to We sensed a pattern in 2008 Re: Obama: A menace to diplomacy, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed May 30 12:07:52 2012.

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This type of sloppiness has been going on long before Obama.

See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%22Polish_death_camp%22_controversy

There are also 11,000 citations in Google to "Bosnian massacre" Srebrenica.

People aren't careful.


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Re: We sensed a pattern in 2008 Re: Obama: A menace to diplomacy

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed May 30 12:54:37 2012, in response to Re: We sensed a pattern in 2008 Re: Obama: A menace to diplomacy, posted by Fred G on Wed May 30 12:16:15 2012.

fiogf49gjkf0d
I plan to vote early and often. My beard is almost ready.

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Re: We sensed a pattern in 2008 Re: Obama: A menace to diplomacy

Posted by Charles G on Wed May 30 12:59:51 2012, in response to Re: We sensed a pattern in 2008 Re: Obama: A menace to diplomacy, posted by AlM on Wed May 30 12:26:39 2012.

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There are also 11,000 citations in Google to "Bosnian massacre" Srebrenica.

People aren't careful.


How many of those are by US Presidents?

My take on all this -- this was a clear fk-up by President Obama and his speechwriters and I seems that they have been a little weak in saying so, instead saying that the President "misspoke" and expressing "regret".

If the people of Poland are truly offended (and I can't bother to sort through all the headlines to figure out if they are or whether it is just partisan "gotcha" noise), then the right course of action is clearly to say "Hey, I screwed up. My writers got it wrong and I didn't proofread things as thoroughly as I should have. Poland is a great ally of the US and we would never want to offend you. Please accept my apologies."

Then it's done. Owning your mistakes and making things right is a sign of strength and never a sign of weakness.



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Re: We sensed a pattern in 2008 Re: Obama: A menace to diplomacy

Posted by AlM on Wed May 30 13:06:36 2012, in response to Re: We sensed a pattern in 2008 Re: Obama: A menace to diplomacy, posted by Charles G on Wed May 30 12:59:51 2012.

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It's a lack of professionalism by the speechwriters and a lack of care by Obama. He should read all his speeches in advance with a critical eye.

I still think it's nowhere near as bad as Romney proposing to send arms to Al Qaeda in Syria. That's a pure lie (because he wouldn't actually do it if he had the power to do it) put out for political advantage.



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Re: We sensed a pattern in 2008 Re: Obama: A menace to diplomacy

Posted by Fred G on Wed May 30 13:24:01 2012, in response to Re: We sensed a pattern in 2008 Re: Obama: A menace to diplomacy, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed May 30 12:13:27 2012.

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your pal,
Fred

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Re: We sensed a pattern in 2008 Re: Obama: A menace to diplomacy

Posted by Charles G on Wed May 30 13:52:15 2012, in response to Re: We sensed a pattern in 2008 Re: Obama: A menace to diplomacy, posted by AlM on Wed May 30 13:06:36 2012.

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I haven't bothered to read about Romney/arms/Syria.

The difference here is between a sitting President and a candidate for President. People get that candidates say all kinds of things for political advantage. Sitting Presidents don't have that luxury.

The reaction thus far by Team Obama seems to be that of a candidate (gloss over it an let it go away) and not that of a sitting President.



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Re: Obama: A menace to diplomacy

Posted by Train Dude on Wed May 30 15:25:17 2012, in response to Re: Obama: A menace to diplomacy, posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed May 30 06:06:01 2012.

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Aside from that happening roughly 30 years ago and that former president being dead, how, exactly, does that mitigate what this fucking moron said?

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Re: Obama: A menace to diplomacy

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed May 30 15:26:02 2012, in response to Re: Obama: A menace to diplomacy, posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed May 30 06:06:01 2012.

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An unrelated and universally accepted gaffe. You're not good at building strawmen.

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Re: Obama: A menace to diplomacy

Posted by Train Dude on Wed May 30 15:32:49 2012, in response to Re: Obama: A menace to diplomacy, posted by dand124 on Wed May 30 12:15:42 2012.

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So if the first idiot makes a good speech, then we should also say that the speech writer wrote a good speech and the fact checker did a great job? The first idiot should get no credit? Much like when selcock cracked up his train? It was someone else's fault? Is that how it works?

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Re: We sensed a pattern in 2008 Re: Obama: A menace to diplomacy

Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Wed May 30 15:36:39 2012, in response to Re: We sensed a pattern in 2008 Re: Obama: A menace to diplomacy, posted by Charles G on Wed May 30 12:59:51 2012.

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But its typical obama administration....never take responsibiloty for anything. Its been his hallmark.

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Re: We sensed a pattern in 2008 Re: Obama: A menace to diplomacy

Posted by Train Dude on Wed May 30 15:51:00 2012, in response to Re: We sensed a pattern in 2008 Re: Obama: A menace to diplomacy, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Wed May 30 15:36:39 2012.

fiogf49gjkf0d
Maybe he decided to give a speech that George W. Bush actually intended to give but left it in the Oval Office by mistake. Therefore, once again, can we have 9 choruses of o'bummer's favorite campaign slogan:

IT'S BUSH'S FAULT
IT'S BUSH'S FAULT
IT'S BUSH'S FAULT
IT'S BUSH'S FAULT
IT'S BUSH'S FAULT
IT'S BUSH'S FAULT
IT'S BUSH'S FAULT
IT'S BUSH'S FAULT
IT'S BUSH'S FAULT


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Re: We sensed a pattern in 2008 Re: Obama: A menace to diplomacy

Posted by AMoreira81 on Wed May 30 17:00:46 2012, in response to Re: We sensed a pattern in 2008 Re: Obama: A menace to diplomacy, posted by Charles G on Wed May 30 12:59:51 2012.

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From what I have read, there is great outrage.

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Re: We sensed a pattern in 2008 Re: Obama: A menace to diplomacy

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed May 30 18:24:26 2012, in response to Re: We sensed a pattern in 2008 Re: Obama: A menace to diplomacy, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Wed May 30 15:36:39 2012.

fiogf49gjkf0d
Gotta love you republican types flapping all over this. OK ... so let me get this straight. Obama apologized WAY too many times in the past and you bitched over each and every one. And NOW ... you're demanding that he apologize?

And saying he never took responsibility and apologized?



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Re: We sensed a pattern in 2008 Re: Obama: A menace to diplomacy

Posted by cortelyounext on Wed May 30 18:35:35 2012, in response to Re: We sensed a pattern in 2008 Re: Obama: A menace to diplomacy, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed May 30 18:24:26 2012.

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Please post the clip of the cat that keeps popping its head out of the box and the mallets trying to hit it, and thanks.

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Re: We sensed a pattern in 2008 Re: Obama: A menace to diplomacy

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed May 30 18:46:53 2012, in response to Re: We sensed a pattern in 2008 Re: Obama: A menace to diplomacy, posted by cortelyounext on Wed May 30 18:35:35 2012.

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OP delivars! :)



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Re: We sensed a pattern in 2008 Re: Obama: A menace to diplomacy

Posted by cortelyounext on Wed May 30 18:53:30 2012, in response to Re: We sensed a pattern in 2008 Re: Obama: A menace to diplomacy, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed May 30 18:46:53 2012.

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That's the one. Just unreal.

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Re: We sensed a pattern in 2008 Re: Obama: A menace to diplomacy

Posted by Charles G on Wed May 30 18:57:03 2012, in response to Re: We sensed a pattern in 2008 Re: Obama: A menace to diplomacy, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed May 30 18:24:26 2012.

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You do see the difference between apologizing for something that you yourself did a day ago and apologizing for something that someone else did many years ago, right?

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Re: We sensed a pattern in 2008 Re: Obama: A menace to diplomacy

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed May 30 19:03:48 2012, in response to Re: We sensed a pattern in 2008 Re: Obama: A menace to diplomacy, posted by cortelyounext on Wed May 30 18:53:30 2012.

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And no gophers were harmed in this production! :)

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Re: We sensed a pattern in 2008 Re: Obama: A menace to diplomacy

Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Wed May 30 19:14:17 2012, in response to Re: We sensed a pattern in 2008 Re: Obama: A menace to diplomacy, posted by Charles G on Wed May 30 18:57:03 2012.

fiogf49gjkf0d
Thats something the left doesnt get. Obama is an expert at apologizing "for America" and things he and the left percieve as "bad" in the past.
However he never accepts any blame or responsibility for anything he or his cohorts have done.

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Re: We sensed a pattern in 2008 Re: Obama: A menace to diplomacy

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed May 30 20:28:52 2012, in response to Re: We sensed a pattern in 2008 Re: Obama: A menace to diplomacy, posted by Charles G on Wed May 30 18:57:03 2012.

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Of COURSE! But this is tardchat where logic is upside down. My statement is certified to meet or exceed the specifications of political logic in the prospectus issued for this site.

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Re: We sensed a pattern in 2008 Re: Obama: A menace to diplomacy

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed May 30 20:31:19 2012, in response to Re: We sensed a pattern in 2008 Re: Obama: A menace to diplomacy, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Wed May 30 19:14:17 2012.

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lol

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