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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed May 16 16:56:04 2012 Rejected 414-0 in the House, shot down 99-0 in the Senate. I don't think "abject humiliation" is adequate enough to describe this:http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/inside-politics/2012/may/16/obama-budget-defeated-99-0-senate/ |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed May 16 16:59:28 2012, in response to Obama's budget now 0-Congress, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed May 16 16:56:04 2012. That merits a "wow" or two. What's up with the rebellion on the Dems' part? |
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Posted by Fred G on Wed May 16 17:04:14 2012, in response to Obama's budget now 0-Congress, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed May 16 16:56:04 2012. Democrats disputed that it was actually the president's plan, arguing that the slim amendment didn't actually match Mr. Obama's budget document, which ran thousands of pages. But Republicans said they used all of the president's numbers in the proposal, so it faithfully represented his plan.LOL your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Charles G on Wed May 16 17:25:46 2012, in response to Re: Obama's budget now 0-Congress, posted by Fred G on Wed May 16 17:04:14 2012. The slim version is easier for those Congressfolk who don't like to read bills before voting on them. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed May 16 17:32:13 2012, in response to Re: Obama's budget now 0-Congress, posted by Fred G on Wed May 16 17:04:14 2012. Yeah, ain't the Dems hilarious? |
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Posted by Fred G on Wed May 16 17:32:45 2012, in response to Re: Obama's budget now 0-Congress, posted by Charles G on Wed May 16 17:25:46 2012. The Cliff Notes.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Fred G on Wed May 16 17:38:54 2012, in response to Re: Obama's budget now 0-Congress, posted by Olog-hai on Wed May 16 17:32:13 2012. Not as funny as you guys.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Mr Mabstoa on Wed May 16 18:20:12 2012, in response to Re: Obama's budget now 0-Congress, posted by Olog-hai on Wed May 16 16:59:28 2012. Obama is going down faster than Trayvon after Zimmerman shot him!Too soon? |
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Posted by orange blossom special on Wed May 16 18:30:52 2012, in response to Obama's budget now 0-Congress, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed May 16 16:56:04 2012. Wow, a demonkkkrat actually brought up a budget finally?!Well, he'll just have to deem it passed like they used to do! |
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Posted by bingbong on Wed May 16 18:34:37 2012, in response to Re: Obama's budget now 0-Congress, posted by Mr Mabstoa on Wed May 16 18:20:12 2012. Yes, that was in incredibly bad taste. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed May 16 18:51:27 2012, in response to Obama's budget now 0-Congress, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed May 16 16:56:04 2012. Heh. Leave it to those who know nothing of how government works to see this as anything more than a political play with the intended results.The REASON why the "President's budget" cannot be adopted by either house of congress is because doing so would completely cede congressional authority. THAT'S why it was zero'd. A pathetic and illegal ploy by our republican friends for solely grandstanding purposes. CONGRESS is supposed to do the budget, the President's "budget request" is nothing more than a request. It is NOT a budget bill. |
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Posted by orange blossom special on Wed May 16 18:56:46 2012, in response to Re: Obama's budget now 0-Congress, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed May 16 18:51:27 2012. If the universe hates his budget so much, despite Republican efforts to reach across the aisle and put to a vote in good faith what the democrats wants to inflict on us, why does Obama get to waste so much money, paper, and time giving us trash that no one ever intended to pass??And why does the Democrats keep sending angry petitions to Obama at his anti-Semitic overtures? |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed May 16 19:09:24 2012, in response to Re: Obama's budget now 0-Congress, posted by Olog-hai on Wed May 16 16:59:28 2012. Merely the republicans showing how stupid they think the American people are. Looks like they won this round too if YOU'RE buying it. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed May 16 19:20:31 2012, in response to Re: Obama's budget now 0-Congress, posted by orange blossom special on Wed May 16 18:56:46 2012. The only reaching across the aisle that the republicans are doing is to slap the democrats. And that so-called trash is a Constitutional requirement. The President submits an "executive budget" for the agencies and the congress then looks that over and writes their own. Then they PASS their own budget bills in both houses and the President signs or vetoes the final result.They don't teach civics in school anymore. It shows. :( |
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Posted by bingbong on Wed May 16 20:35:53 2012, in response to Re: Obama's budget now 0-Congress, posted by orange blossom special on Wed May 16 18:56:46 2012. For the same reason that bush did, Clinton did, Bush before him and .....The President is supposed to put forward his budget request as a framework for his policy agenda. Congress is supposed to work from this framework because the people elected the President to enact the agenda he campaigned on. Since Congress doesn't want to be told what to do, they historically ignore it and follow the requirements of the Constitution. The House is to put forward what they can pass, get the Senate to agree to and the President to sign. So goes the swarm of democracy. It is the House that is failing *their* Constitutional *mandate* to initiate budgetary bills. They will not pass anything that the other chamber will pass, nor have they passed anything the President would sign. Simply put, if the House keeps passing Ryan "budgets" they will continue to FAIL. When they pass something rational it will be considered. Note that nobody's holding their breath. |
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Posted by orange blossom special on Wed May 16 22:03:00 2012, in response to Re: Obama's budget now 0-Congress, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed May 16 19:20:31 2012. That way is old and tired. It's a new age. We elect a megalomaniac, so why not use his budget, he knows better than congress!The constitution is living and breathing man! |
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Posted by orange blossom special on Wed May 16 22:04:34 2012, in response to Re: Obama's budget now 0-Congress, posted by bingbong on Wed May 16 20:35:53 2012. Except we never had a budget pre-Ryan either. So it's not a new thing you can blame on the very smart Wisconsonite Ryan.Now obviously Obama is smarter, and we all love him, so why can't we just pass his version and have the country fixed? |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed May 16 22:30:02 2012, in response to Re: Obama's budget now 0-Congress, posted by orange blossom special on Wed May 16 22:03:00 2012. Well ... using somebody else's work instead of doing your own does kinda fit the mood of the no-nothing, DO-nothing congress ... but still. It's sorta like turning in a shopping list instead of receipts to the finance office, evpecting reimbursement. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed May 16 22:30:50 2012, in response to Re: Obama's budget now 0-Congress, posted by orange blossom special on Wed May 16 22:04:34 2012. Yeah, but when the republicans took over the house, they insisted that they were going to fix that. LOL |
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Posted by bingbong on Wed May 16 23:02:37 2012, in response to Re: Obama's budget now 0-Congress, posted by orange blossom special on Wed May 16 22:04:34 2012. They chose not to lock in spending through the budgetary process as the demands of that moment...so close after the bushcrash, when the entire global economy was completely unstable.....required flexibility. So they appropriated spending at the previous year's levels based on immediacy of need. They couldn't set a budget when they had no idea if the financial system would need another bailout. They should have extended the same flexibility to jobs programs.Your second question is a good one. The country would be further along to recovery...and able to successfully tackle deficits and debt sooner if they'd follow his basic budgetary blueprint. Look at the UK. They did austerity, now they're doing a double dip recession that's much worse than the first. Spain is in an all out recession after austerity was imposed. Greece....need we go there? Recessionary times is NOT when to tackle deficits. Those must wait for recovery. Money needs to go into supporting the jobless as they retool for new jobs, investment in new industries and much needed infrastructure work - while there's people available to do it. We did this on a lesser scale to great success in the 90s, only to see the next bunch actively dismantle and squander all the good done. Now we are faced with all the damage they did and fixing it. It's taking a lot of time because it was much worse than anyone cares to recognize. |
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Posted by chicagomotorman on Thu May 17 01:22:15 2012, in response to Re: Obama's budget now 0-Congress, posted by bingbong on Wed May 16 18:34:37 2012. No it wasn't. |
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Posted by Fred G on Thu May 17 03:57:02 2012, in response to Re: Obama's budget now 0-Congress, posted by Mr Mabstoa on Wed May 16 18:20:12 2012. Do you miss your wife? LOLyour pal, Fred |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Thu May 17 07:10:15 2012, in response to Re: Obama's budget now 0-Congress, posted by Fred G on Thu May 17 03:57:02 2012. lol |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jun 11 13:16:28 2012, in response to Obama's budget now 0-Congress, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed May 16 16:56:04 2012. bump |
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