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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Fri Apr 13 11:41:13 2012 The NYPD is looking to talk to a man who has lately been photographing children at play in Brooklyn's Prospect Park. The man, described as having "a really nice camera" with a "zoom lens", has aroused the concern of local parents, although his photography in a public place, as the article acknowledges, is completely legal.Is this legitimate concern for child safety (e.g. "suspicious" photography of children), or another attempt at criminalizing photography? Let me know your thoughts... |
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Posted by Allan on Fri Apr 13 12:10:36 2012, in response to Legitimate Concern...Or More War On Photography?, posted by JayZeeBMT on Fri Apr 13 11:41:13 2012. IMHO it is a legitimate concern for child safety (e.g. "suspicious" photography of children) |
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Posted by Fred G on Fri Apr 13 12:13:49 2012, in response to Legitimate Concern...Or More War On Photography?, posted by JayZeeBMT on Fri Apr 13 11:41:13 2012. I don't think it's WOP so much as the popo responding to a complaint. I take candid people fotos and skip kids since parents are annoyed by it. Someone probably called it in.Your pal, Fred |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Fri Apr 13 12:18:20 2012, in response to Re: Legitimate Concern...Or More War On Photography?, posted by Fred G on Fri Apr 13 12:13:49 2012. I think so, too, someone probably picked up a phone. But still, it does raise some interesting questions...like what happens when you're shooting a landmark, for example, and some kid wanders into the frame. Should one then be obligated to delete that particular pic?OTOH, unless I woke up in the former Soviet Union this morning, this kind of public photography is still protected under the First Amendment, creepy though it may appear to some... |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Fri Apr 13 12:19:54 2012, in response to Re: Legitimate Concern...Or More War On Photography?, posted by Allan on Fri Apr 13 12:10:36 2012. Do you think there should be legislation prohibiting photography of children not your own in public places? (In other words, a "protect the children" exception to the First Amendment.) |
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Posted by bingbong on Fri Apr 13 12:23:19 2012, in response to Legitimate Concern...Or More War On Photography?, posted by JayZeeBMT on Fri Apr 13 11:41:13 2012. If one can distinguish identity, it's wrong. If it's just kids running around a playground, it's generic. That's OK. If the guy's a pro, it's probably ok (he'd be likely to have some sort of credentials), he understands model releases and all the legal stuff WRT subjects. |
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Posted by Allan on Fri Apr 13 12:32:11 2012, in response to Re: Legitimate Concern...Or More War On Photography?, posted by JayZeeBMT on Fri Apr 13 12:19:54 2012. No, I would not agree with that BUT I do agree with the police wanting to question the photographer as to his intentions. |
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Posted by AlM on Fri Apr 13 12:46:08 2012, in response to Re: Legitimate Concern...Or More War On Photography?, posted by JayZeeBMT on Fri Apr 13 12:18:20 2012. like what happens when you're shooting a landmark, for example, and some kid wanders into the frame. Should one then be obligated to delete that particular pic?NEVER. If you've committed a crime by taking the picture, then it's evidence against you and the police would be incompetent if they ask you to delete it in any case. If you haven't committed a crime, the police can ask you questions but that's it. |
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Posted by Fred G on Fri Apr 13 14:36:12 2012, in response to Re: Legitimate Concern...Or More War On Photography?, posted by JayZeeBMT on Fri Apr 13 12:18:20 2012. That's different. If you wander into my pic, well...I was there first.Your pal, Fred |
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Posted by JayMan on Fri Apr 13 16:01:15 2012, in response to Legitimate Concern...Or More War On Photography?, posted by JayZeeBMT on Fri Apr 13 11:41:13 2012. It is suspicious. That said, they have nothing to work with as he has not done anything illegal...I personally now try to avoid taking pictures that annoy people, and since I'm also not interested in having people in my photos it works well. |
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Posted by orange blossom special on Fri Apr 13 18:20:06 2012, in response to Legitimate Concern...Or More War On Photography?, posted by JayZeeBMT on Fri Apr 13 11:41:13 2012. Tough one. You might be merging common sense with legal statures.This all depends on your state and jurisdiction too. It reminds me of the cases where people like to photograph girls and such. It is public property. I couldn't image what he'd be doing with such generic photos. Maybe he was doing survellance? Blackmail? Spying? PI? Espionage?! |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Mon Apr 16 09:27:59 2012, in response to Re: Legitimate Concern...Or More War On Photography?, posted by JayZeeBMT on Fri Apr 13 12:19:54 2012. Do you think there should be legislation prohibiting photography of children not your own in public places?Absolutely not. For one, you would technically be committing a crime if you take a picture of your own child and another child is in the frame. |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Mon Apr 16 09:28:37 2012, in response to Re: Legitimate Concern...Or More War On Photography?, posted by Allan on Fri Apr 13 12:10:36 2012. IMHO it is a legitimate concern for child safetyHow does a photograph put the child at risk? |
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Posted by Easy on Mon Apr 16 09:45:28 2012, in response to Re: Legitimate Concern...Or More War On Photography?, posted by JayZeeBMT on Fri Apr 13 12:18:20 2012. someone probably picked up a phone.It's mentioned several times in the article that you linked that he was reported to the police. He's most likely a pervert that gets off on kids and that's obviously what concerns people. That it could escalate. Maybe he has a record and has been convicted of molesting kids. |
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Posted by Easy on Mon Apr 16 09:47:26 2012, in response to Re: Legitimate Concern...Or More War On Photography?, posted by JayZeeBMT on Fri Apr 13 12:19:54 2012. Do you think that there should be legislation preventing police from talking to people? (ie a Constitutional Amendment that prevents police from speaking unless spoken to). |
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Posted by Fred G on Mon Apr 16 09:50:26 2012, in response to Re: Legitimate Concern...Or More War On Photography?, posted by Easy on Mon Apr 16 09:45:28 2012. someone probably picked up a phone.It's mentioned several times in the article that you linked that he was reported to the police. Thanks for pointing this out. It'll go in my report.  your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Easy on Mon Apr 16 09:50:29 2012, in response to Re: Legitimate Concern...Or More War On Photography?, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Mon Apr 16 09:28:37 2012. It's not the photograph, it's the photographer. Whats wrong with talking to someone with such an inordinate interest in children that he has been reported by multiple people? |
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Posted by Fred G on Mon Apr 16 09:50:37 2012, in response to Re: Legitimate Concern...Or More War On Photography?, posted by Easy on Mon Apr 16 09:45:28 2012. someone probably picked up a phone.It's mentioned several times in the article that you linked that he was reported to the police. Thanks for pointing this out. It'll go in my report. your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Easy on Mon Apr 16 09:51:35 2012, in response to Re: Legitimate Concern...Or More War On Photography?, posted by Fred G on Mon Apr 16 09:50:26 2012. Forgive me for suggesting that anyone actually read the article before discussing it. Carry on. |
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Posted by Fred G on Mon Apr 16 09:57:09 2012, in response to Re: Legitimate Concern...Or More War On Photography?, posted by Easy on Mon Apr 16 09:51:35 2012. Forgive me for pointing out how vaginal you are.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Fred G on Mon Apr 16 10:06:37 2012, in response to Re: Legitimate Concern...Or More War On Photography?, posted by JayZeeBMT on Fri Apr 13 12:19:54 2012. No there shouldn't be. If somebody is hanging around a playground taking pics of kids, somebody is going to complain about it and it will be handled by authorized parties. We can't be chipping away at our fundamental rights.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by monorail on Mon Apr 16 10:15:45 2012, in response to Legitimate Concern...Or More War On Photography?, posted by JayZeeBMT on Fri Apr 13 11:41:13 2012. 'The man, described as having "a really nice camera" with a "zoom lens"'it is okay, as long as this 'zoom lens' doesn't pop out of his pants.... |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Apr 16 10:21:22 2012, in response to Re: Legitimate Concern...Or More War On Photography?, posted by Easy on Mon Apr 16 09:45:28 2012. It's mentioned several times in the article that you linked that he was reported to the police. +1 |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Apr 16 10:22:46 2012, in response to Re: Legitimate Concern...Or More War On Photography?, posted by bingbong on Fri Apr 13 12:23:19 2012. If one can distinguish identity, it's wrong. Nope. BTW, you lied about your comments on Sandra Fluke. When are you going to admit that? |
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Posted by Fred G on Mon Apr 16 10:24:57 2012, in response to Re: Legitimate Concern...Or More War On Photography?, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Apr 16 10:21:22 2012. You guys are so eager to jump on JayZee that you missed that I said the same thing.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Easy on Mon Apr 16 10:27:05 2012, in response to Re: Legitimate Concern...Or More War On Photography?, posted by Fred G on Mon Apr 16 09:57:09 2012. Hardly. I reintroduced facts into the discussion. You're the one bitching about it. |
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Posted by Easy on Mon Apr 16 10:31:31 2012, in response to Re: Legitimate Concern...Or More War On Photography?, posted by Fred G on Mon Apr 16 10:24:57 2012. You didn't word it so obviously.I try and not nitpick JayZee, but he is so over the top that I find it difficult. He implied that if you want police to talk to this guy that you want to amend the constitution and live in Soviet Russia. I need better self-control. |
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Posted by Fred G on Mon Apr 16 10:33:14 2012, in response to Re: Legitimate Concern...Or More War On Photography?, posted by Easy on Mon Apr 16 10:27:05 2012. I understand how important internet leg-humping is to you and I apologize for spoiling the party.What you highlighted was an infinitely unimportant part of the conversation, not a major flaw in any points made nor a game-changer to the topic. Maybe I just underestimate how important it is to you to correct such grievous blunders. I'm so sorry and I'll spring for some Midol for you and anyone else who thinks I'm wrong.  your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Fred G on Mon Apr 16 10:35:28 2012, in response to Re: Legitimate Concern...Or More War On Photography?, posted by Easy on Mon Apr 16 10:31:31 2012. You guys need to work on your covert skills then because it's pretty transparent to us in the peanut gallery that you're just laying in the weeds for Mister Not So Cronkite*.your pal, Fred * I agree with the premise that Mister Zee needs to vet his reports better. |
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Posted by cortelyounext on Mon Apr 16 10:45:54 2012, in response to Re: Legitimate Concern...Or More War On Photography?, posted by Easy on Mon Apr 16 10:27:05 2012. You're all worked up and it's not even 0700 on a Monday morning out there. |
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Posted by Fred G on Mon Apr 16 10:47:53 2012, in response to Re: Legitimate Concern...Or More War On Photography?, posted by cortelyounext on Mon Apr 16 10:45:54 2012. He's vigilant and alert at any hour of the day. He's a good man in a tight corner.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Railman718 on Mon Apr 16 11:00:35 2012, in response to Re: Legitimate Concern...Or More War On Photography?, posted by Fred G on Mon Apr 16 10:33:14 2012. Ha ha ha+1000 |
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Posted by Easy on Mon Apr 16 11:18:09 2012, in response to Re: Legitimate Concern...Or More War On Photography?, posted by Fred G on Mon Apr 16 10:35:28 2012. He's wrong more than most. Did you see last week where he misused a quote of mine to imply something that I didn't mean? |
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Posted by Fred G on Mon Apr 16 11:22:47 2012, in response to Re: Legitimate Concern...Or More War On Photography?, posted by Easy on Mon Apr 16 11:18:09 2012. He's no Edward R Murrow, I'll agree with you there. :)your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Railman718 on Mon Apr 16 11:34:29 2012, in response to Re: Legitimate Concern...Or More War On Photography?, posted by Fred G on Mon Apr 16 10:35:28 2012. * I agree with the premise that Mister Zee needs to vet his reports better.Said the same thing to the brother... |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Apr 16 12:28:10 2012, in response to Re: Legitimate Concern...Or More War On Photography?, posted by Fred G on Mon Apr 16 10:24:57 2012. Fine. Pox be on you too. :) |
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