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TWO Audio Experts Say Voice Crying For Help NOT Zimmerman's

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Mar 31 19:56:04 2012, in response to New video clearly shows Zimmerman had head wound, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Mar 31 12:49:39 2012.

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"Undeniable"? Really? Coming from Breitbart? Just as you made some absurd claim that ABC-TV edited the Sanford Police video to show some desired result, can you prove that that YOUR video--which Breitbart only says appears to show an injury--has not been played with? I still, in any case, don't see any sign of the kind of "serious head injury" Zimmerman and his supporters are claiming.

Meanwhile, two audio experts in forensic voice identification have concluded 'with reasonable scientific certainty' that the voice heard crying for help on the 911 tapes during the Trayvon Martin incident is not that of George Zimmerman. This is yet another screaming contradiction of Zimmerman's bizarre, self-serving account of the incident between him and Travon, that ended with Zimmerman executing Trayvon.

There are now EMS tapes, forensic voice analysis, and video that ALL directly refute Zimmerman's wild claims that he was severely beaten, was crying out for help, and that Trayvon was the aggressor. It's time to arrest this man, already, and it;s time for you, Olog, TD, Luch, and others to STOP pretending Zimmerman is the good guy here.

George Zimmerman was an out-of-control, self-appointed pretend cop, with a history of violent outbursts, who went into the streets looking for trouble, and committed murder. That's it, and that's all.

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Re: TWO Audio Experts Say Voice Crying For Help NOT Zimmerman's

Posted by Train Dude on Sat Mar 31 20:08:11 2012, in response to TWO Audio Experts Say Voice Crying For Help NOT Zimmerman's, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Mar 31 19:56:04 2012.

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Nathan, I think that you've crossed "that" line. Unlike you, selkock and seldouche and a few others, I have no vested interest in this little soap opera that the left is producing. I have not stated any opinion about the the case one way or the other. What I don't understand is why you and selkock, seldouche and a few others are so invested in convicting this half Hispanic democrat and portraying him as a Republican or conservative. Guilty or innocent - makes no difference to me but the morons like selkock ranting that this case proves how evil Republicans are is a joke.

As for your linking me to any prejudgement in this case, I would hope that when you cannot provide a link to said prejudgement you will just man up and admit that you were wrong.

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Re: TWO Audio Experts Say Voice Crying For Help NOT Zimmerman's

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Mar 31 20:14:52 2012, in response to Re: TWO Audio Experts Say Voice Crying For Help NOT Zimmerman's, posted by Train Dude on Sat Mar 31 20:08:11 2012.

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Heh. You ARE aware that if you say it three times, I appear? :)



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Re: TWO Audio Experts Say Voice Crying For Help NOT Zimmerman's

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Mar 31 20:18:16 2012, in response to Re: TWO Audio Experts Say Voice Crying For Help NOT Zimmerman's, posted by Train Dude on Sat Mar 31 20:08:11 2012.

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I'm just amazed that the more evidence piles up against Zimmerman, the more lots of right-wingers here are bending over backwards to make it all a "conspiracy of the left". I seriously doubt I am wrong on this story, but if there turns out to be good evidence that confirms Zimmerman's account of the incident--again, a vanishingly small likelihood--I'll stabd corrected.

But keep in mind two very salient facts:

1. Trayvon isn't here to speak up for himself,

2. It is absolutely in Zimmerman's best personal and legal interest to create the most self-serving explanation of what happened.



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Re: TWO Audio Experts Say Voice Crying For Help NOT Zimmerman's

Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Mar 31 20:18:43 2012, in response to Re: TWO Audio Experts Say Voice Crying For Help NOT Zimmerman's, posted by Train Dude on Sat Mar 31 20:08:11 2012.

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Wait until this is debunked.

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Re: TWO Audio Experts Say Voice Crying For Help NOT Zimmerman's

Posted by Fred G on Sat Mar 31 20:25:19 2012, in response to Re: TWO Audio Experts Say Voice Crying For Help NOT Zimmerman's, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Mar 31 20:18:43 2012.

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Just wait!

your pal,
Fred

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Re: TWO Audio Experts Say Voice Crying For Help NOT Zimmerman's

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Mar 31 20:26:52 2012, in response to Re: TWO Audio Experts Say Voice Crying For Help NOT Zimmerman's, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Mar 31 20:18:43 2012.

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"Debunked"? Did you read the credentials of the audio experts who analyzed the tape?

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Re: TWO Audio Experts Say Voice Crying For Help NOT Zimmerman's

Posted by Fred G on Sat Mar 31 20:33:32 2012, in response to Re: TWO Audio Experts Say Voice Crying For Help NOT Zimmerman's, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Mar 31 20:26:52 2012.

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They're not Olog and Hai so they don't know what they're talking about :P

your pal,
Fred

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Re: TWO Audio Experts Say Voice Crying For Help NOT Zimmerman's

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Mar 31 20:35:40 2012, in response to Re: TWO Audio Experts Say Voice Crying For Help NOT Zimmerman's, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Mar 31 20:26:52 2012.

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Do they work for Stratfor? No. Therefore ... :)

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Re: TWO Audio Experts Say Voice Crying For Help NOT Zimmerman's

Posted by Train Dude on Sat Mar 31 20:35:48 2012, in response to Re: TWO Audio Experts Say Voice Crying For Help NOT Zimmerman's, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Mar 31 20:18:16 2012.

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I guess you missed the entire point of what I posted. Is this just more proof that liberals cannot see beyond their own agendas?

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Re: TWO Audio Experts Say Voice Crying For Help NOT Zimmerman's

Posted by AlM on Sat Mar 31 20:43:02 2012, in response to Re: TWO Audio Experts Say Voice Crying For Help NOT Zimmerman's, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Mar 31 20:18:16 2012.

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???

It's in Zimmerman's best interest to actually create no explanation whatsoever. The less he says before trial the more flexibility he has at a trial (if there is one) to tell the story that best fits with the facts.



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Re: TWO Audio Experts Say Voice Crying For Help NOT Zimmerman's

Posted by LuchAAA on Sat Mar 31 20:47:17 2012, in response to TWO Audio Experts Say Voice Crying For Help NOT Zimmerman's, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Mar 31 19:56:04 2012.

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Thanks for considering me JayZeeBMT.

I appreciate it.

My only complaint about the video is that I think it's ridiculous to try and make a determination one way or the other if Zimmerman has a broken nose, just by using that video.

I have nothing to say about the audio because I have no way of knowing who's screaming for help, and won't pretend to.

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Re: TWO Audio Experts Say Voice Crying For Help NOT Zimmerman's

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Mar 31 21:21:50 2012, in response to Re: TWO Audio Experts Say Voice Crying For Help NOT Zimmerman's, posted by LuchAAA on Sat Mar 31 20:47:17 2012.

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Funniest thing about all the "look! Look! He's injured" is that the supposed line on the right side of Zim's head is overpeaking of the video ... anyone who's ever worked in television knows what happens when you turn up the "aperture" control to distortion. :)

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Re: TWO Audio Experts Say Voice Crying For Help NOT Zimmerman's

Posted by LuchAAA on Sat Mar 31 21:35:25 2012, in response to Re: TWO Audio Experts Say Voice Crying For Help NOT Zimmerman's, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Mar 31 21:21:50 2012.

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as far as the back of his head, if it's bloody, the pro-Zimmerman crowd will zoom in on it and the anti-Zimmerman crowd will ignore. THIW.



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Re: TWO Audio Experts Say Voice Crying For Help NOT Zimmerman's

Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sat Mar 31 21:38:59 2012, in response to TWO Audio Experts Say Voice Crying For Help NOT Zimmerman's, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Mar 31 19:56:04 2012.

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iawtp

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Re: TWO Audio Experts Say Voice Crying For Help NOT Zimmerman's

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Mar 31 21:46:51 2012, in response to Re: TWO Audio Experts Say Voice Crying For Help NOT Zimmerman's, posted by LuchAAA on Sat Mar 31 21:35:25 2012.

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Anyone who zooms in on anything that's been put through Adobe's awful flash encoder deserves all the butthurt they want ... 260P is no way to make pictures. Especially when it's been 8 bit masked. :(

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Re: TWO Audio Experts Say Voice Crying For Help NOT Zimmerman's

Posted by Train Dude on Sat Mar 31 21:47:33 2012, in response to Re: TWO Audio Experts Say Voice Crying For Help NOT Zimmerman's, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sat Mar 31 21:38:59 2012.

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STFUYIM

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Re: TWO Audio Experts Say Voice Crying For Help NOT Zimmerman's

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Mar 31 21:53:38 2012, in response to Re: TWO Audio Experts Say Voice Crying For Help NOT Zimmerman's, posted by Train Dude on Sat Mar 31 21:47:33 2012.

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Heh. So much for republicans and "free speech." :)

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Re: TWO Audio Experts Say Voice Crying For Help NOT Zimmerman's

Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sun Apr 1 00:24:38 2012, in response to Re: TWO Audio Experts Say Voice Crying For Help NOT Zimmerman's, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Mar 31 21:53:38 2012.

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he could not resist attacking me personally

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Re: TWO Audio Experts Say Voice Crying For Help NOT Zimmerman's

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Apr 1 00:28:06 2012, in response to Re: TWO Audio Experts Say Voice Crying For Help NOT Zimmerman's, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sun Apr 1 00:24:38 2012.

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That's OK ... I'm on his shit list too. I kinda enjoy it because I know my presence really pisses him arf. Woof. :)

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Re: TWO Audio Experts Say Voice Crying For Help NOT Zimmerman's

Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sun Apr 1 00:30:25 2012, in response to Re: TWO Audio Experts Say Voice Crying For Help NOT Zimmerman's, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Apr 1 00:28:06 2012.

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does not take much to get him totally MAD

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Re: TWO Audio Experts Say Voice Crying For Help NOT Zimmerman's

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Apr 1 00:31:13 2012, in response to Re: TWO Audio Experts Say Voice Crying For Help NOT Zimmerman's, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sun Apr 1 00:30:25 2012.

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Yeah ... funny thing about haters ... they're real easy to crank up. :)

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Re: TWO Audio Experts Say Voice Crying For Help NOT Zimmerman's

Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sun Apr 1 00:32:09 2012, in response to Re: TWO Audio Experts Say Voice Crying For Help NOT Zimmerman's, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Apr 1 00:31:13 2012.

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yep !!


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Re: TWO Audio Experts Say Voice Crying For Help NOT Zimmerman's

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Apr 1 00:34:38 2012, in response to Re: TWO Audio Experts Say Voice Crying For Help NOT Zimmerman's, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sun Apr 1 00:32:09 2012.

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Always willing to do my part. Heh.

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Re: TWO Audio Experts Say Voice Crying For Help NOT Zimmerman's

Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sun Apr 1 00:35:04 2012, in response to Re: TWO Audio Experts Say Voice Crying For Help NOT Zimmerman's, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Apr 1 00:34:38 2012.

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thanks !
lol

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Re: TWO Audio Experts Say Voice Crying For Help NOT Zimmerman's

Posted by Fred G on Sun Apr 1 07:25:23 2012, in response to TWO Audio Experts Say Voice Crying For Help NOT Zimmerman's, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Mar 31 19:56:04 2012.

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and it;s time for you, Olog, TD, Luch, and others to STOP

roster corrected. TD hasn't said anything.

your pal,
Fred



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Re: TWO Audio Experts Say Voice Crying For Help NOT Zimmerman's

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Apr 1 08:11:59 2012, in response to Re: TWO Audio Experts Say Voice Crying For Help NOT Zimmerman's, posted by Fred G on Sun Apr 1 07:25:23 2012.

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OK, I'll be nice.

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Re: TWO Audio Experts Say Voice Crying For Help NOT Zimmerman's

Posted by Train Dude on Sun Apr 1 10:56:23 2012, in response to Re: TWO Audio Experts Say Voice Crying For Help NOT Zimmerman's, posted by Fred G on Sun Apr 1 07:25:23 2012.

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Thank you, Fred

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Re: Police Video Shows No Blood Or Bruises On George Zimmerman

Posted by Dan Lawrence on Sun Apr 1 16:32:01 2012, in response to Re: Police Video Shows No Blood Or Bruises On George Zimmerman, posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Mar 29 20:18:04 2012.

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I never knew Trolls wear pants! :)

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Re: Funeral Director: No Signs Of Struggle On Trayvon's Body

Posted by Dan Lawrence on Sun Apr 1 16:39:29 2012, in response to Re: Funeral Director: No Signs Of Struggle On Trayvon's Body, posted by orange blossom special on Sat Mar 31 17:10:38 2012.

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What kid, not Trayvon, Zimmerman.

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Re: Yeah, it does: Police Video Shows No Blood Or Bruises On George Zimmerman

Posted by Dan Lawrence on Sun Apr 1 16:46:28 2012, in response to Re: Yeah, it does: Police Video Shows No Blood Or Bruises On George Zimmerman, posted by Fred G on Fri Mar 30 15:00:33 2012.

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Better not reply, Trolls love company.

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Re: Police Video Shows No Blood Or Bruises On George Zimmerman

Posted by Rockparkman on Sun Apr 1 16:49:33 2012, in response to Re: Police Video Shows No Blood Or Bruises On George Zimmerman, posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Mar 29 20:18:04 2012.

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They go with his shirt.

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ABC reverses course: Police Video Shows No Blood Or Bruises On George Zimmerman

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Apr 2 15:07:11 2012, in response to Police Video Shows No Blood Or Bruises On George Zimmerman, posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Mar 28 20:21:19 2012.

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ABC is now insisting it DOES show a potential injury, 3 days later and after blistering attack. This is a tacit admission they fucked up:

http://dailycaller.com/2012/04/02/abc-news-exclusive-abc-news-was-wrong-about-george-zimmermans-injuries/

Memo to Jay Zee: exercise more caution.

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Re: ABC reverses course: Police Video Shows No Blood Or Bruises On George Zimmerman

Posted by ClearAspect on Mon Apr 2 15:30:46 2012, in response to ABC reverses course: Police Video Shows No Blood Or Bruises On George Zimmerman, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Apr 2 15:07:11 2012.

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So then it goes back to the first question... why didn't Zimmerman go to the Hospital, if the injury looks like it does in this enhanced video, thats not a small nic, that looks like a gash, and theres still no blood on the back of the coat also such any injury like that wouldn't the medics take them in just to check for possible concussion?

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Re: ABC reverses course: Police Video Shows No Blood Or Bruises On George Zimmerman

Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Apr 2 15:32:41 2012, in response to ABC reverses course: Police Video Shows No Blood Or Bruises On George Zimmerman, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Apr 2 15:07:11 2012.

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They realize they can be sued, just like Breitbart and now they have to tell the whole story. Unedited.

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Re: ABC reverses course: Police Video Shows No Blood Or Bruises On George Zimmerman

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Apr 2 15:38:23 2012, in response to Re: ABC reverses course: Police Video Shows No Blood Or Bruises On George Zimmerman, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Apr 2 15:32:41 2012.

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There's no real comparison to Breitbart here. ABC definitely edited the tape, Breitbart did not.

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Re: ABC reverses course: Police Video Shows No Blood Or Bruises On George Zimmerman

Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Apr 2 15:47:00 2012, in response to Re: ABC reverses course: Police Video Shows No Blood Or Bruises On George Zimmerman, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Apr 2 15:38:23 2012.

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Breitbart didn't edit. But he did air a selected minute of content and is being sued for that. If he can be sued, NBC and ABC hopefully can be.

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Re: ABC reverses course: Police Video Shows No Blood Or Bruises On George Zimmerman

Posted by bingbong on Mon Apr 2 15:50:44 2012, in response to Re: ABC reverses course: Police Video Shows No Blood Or Bruises On George Zimmerman, posted by ClearAspect on Mon Apr 2 15:30:46 2012.

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Or more....

If he had any signs of anything possibly beyond a superficial injury they would have insisted he go to the hospital. Same goes for a "deep gash" which potentially requires sutures. Since EMTs have liability to consider (if anything goes wrong medically with the individual as a result of insufficient care....) they take you to the hospital and let a doctor sort it out.

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Re: ABC reverses course: Police Video Shows No Blood Or Bruises On George Zimmerman

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Apr 2 15:52:18 2012, in response to Re: ABC reverses course: Police Video Shows No Blood Or Bruises On George Zimmerman, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Apr 2 15:47:00 2012.

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He aired what he was sent. Although he never admitted it, he was probably set up. He was much more careful afterwards. He took weeks to verify the Derrick Bell stuff from 1990.

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Re: ABC reverses course: Police Video Shows No Blood Or Bruises On George Zimmerman

Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Apr 2 15:55:21 2012, in response to Re: ABC reverses course: Police Video Shows No Blood Or Bruises On George Zimmerman, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Apr 2 15:52:18 2012.

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He aired what he was sent. Although he never admitted it, he was probably set up.

IIRC, after Breitbart aired the Sherrod content(and you're right he did not edit it), he said, "But listen to how the crowd applauded before she made her point".

NBC and ABC are clearly race-baiting and should be sued.

The NBC "investigation" is just for show. No one will be disciplined.

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Re: ABC reverses course: Police Video Shows No Blood Or Bruises On George Zimmerman

Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Apr 2 15:56:49 2012, in response to Re: ABC reverses course: Police Video Shows No Blood Or Bruises On George Zimmerman, posted by bingbong on Mon Apr 2 15:50:44 2012.

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This isn't about how extensive Zimmerman's injuries were. It's about media coverage of the story.

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Re: ABC reverses course: Police Video Shows No Blood Or Bruises On George Zimmerman

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Apr 2 15:57:51 2012, in response to Re: ABC reverses course: Police Video Shows No Blood Or Bruises On George Zimmerman, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Apr 2 15:55:21 2012.

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Indeed, people forget that the reason Breitbart aired the video was not to attack Sherrod (who was incidental) but to show the reaction of the NAACP rank and file listening to her speak of her past racism, a racism she claims to have had well into her 30's and into her stint working for the USDA.

That last part was Breitbart's trump card in the lawsuit and why he never offered to settle.

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Re: ABC reverses course: Police Video Shows No Blood Or Bruises On George Zimmerman

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Apr 2 16:13:47 2012, in response to Re: ABC reverses course: Police Video Shows No Blood Or Bruises On George Zimmerman, posted by bingbong on Mon Apr 2 15:50:44 2012.

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This isn't about proving Zimmerman's story, it's about the facts of the case and how the media deliberately and consciously lied about them to portray Zimmerman in the worst light and Martin as an innocent victim of racism.

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Re: ABC reverses course: Police Video Shows No Blood Or Bruises On George Zimmerman

Posted by ClearAspect on Mon Apr 2 16:17:12 2012, in response to Re: ABC reverses course: Police Video Shows No Blood Or Bruises On George Zimmerman, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Apr 2 16:13:47 2012.

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No, ABC stuck to their story, but just to silence people like you they hired a firm to enhance the footage just so that you could say "oh look theres a mark, he was injured" but then it goes back to the question of why wasn't he transported to the hospital considering the SIZE of the "injury" to the back of the skull. So it doesn't help you, at all, it just back to the first question. The EMS Patient Care Report would settle this though... so where is it.

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Re: ABC reverses course: Police Video Shows No Blood Or Bruises On George Zimmerman

Posted by bingbong on Mon Apr 2 16:24:08 2012, in response to Re: ABC reverses course: Police Video Shows No Blood Or Bruises On George Zimmerman, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Apr 2 15:56:49 2012.

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It doesn't take a Masters in Journalism to tell Zimmerman was uninjured in the video. It does, however, to cover that fact up.

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Re: ABC reverses course: Police Video Shows No Blood Or Bruises On George Zimmerman

Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Apr 2 16:26:24 2012, in response to Re: ABC reverses course: Police Video Shows No Blood Or Bruises On George Zimmerman, posted by bingbong on Mon Apr 2 16:24:08 2012.

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It's irrelevant whether or not he's injured. The only issue here is whether or not ABC News edited out about 5 seconds of video that showed the back of Zimmerman's head. If they did so, it's wrong on their part.

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Re: ABC reverses course: Police Video Shows No Blood Or Bruises On George Zimmerman

Posted by ClearAspect on Mon Apr 2 16:27:51 2012, in response to Re: ABC reverses course: Police Video Shows No Blood Or Bruises On George Zimmerman, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Apr 2 16:26:24 2012.

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They didn't...

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Re: ABC reverses course: Police Video Shows No Blood Or Bruises On George Zimmerman

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Apr 2 16:29:30 2012, in response to Re: ABC reverses course: Police Video Shows No Blood Or Bruises On George Zimmerman, posted by ClearAspect on Mon Apr 2 16:17:12 2012.

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The Daily Caller took the same video, zoomed in and saw all the same shit they claim they are seeing now. They knew something was there because they edited the incriminating scene out of their broadcast report, which was labeled as proof that he had NO injuries. They specifically LIED for a sensational story they knew was not true from the very beginning.

This is all ass covering.

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Re: ABC reverses course: Police Video Shows No Blood Or Bruises On George Zimmerman

Posted by ClearAspect on Mon Apr 2 16:38:33 2012, in response to Re: ABC reverses course: Police Video Shows No Blood Or Bruises On George Zimmerman, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Apr 2 16:29:30 2012.

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I saw the online video which showed ALL OF THAT... if you had the same skills to see the video on the Daily Caller you could've used that to see the video on the abc website... also the video doesn't help because like I stated if the gash was that big, no way in hell he would've been taken to jail... he would've been in a hospital getting checked for the gash, infection, possible spinal injury or concussion.

So spin it however you want, no matter what none of this happens to help him.

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Re: TWO Audio Experts Say Voice Crying For Help NOT Zimmerman's

Posted by G1Ravage on Mon Apr 2 17:29:14 2012, in response to TWO Audio Experts Say Voice Crying For Help NOT Zimmerman's, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Mar 31 19:56:04 2012.

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"Executing" Martin? So now Zimmerman tied him up, blindfolded him, and shot him point-blank in the head?

Please don't add to the exaggeration the media is putting on this. The rhetoric surrounding this case has been making me nauseous for two weeks now.

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