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Re: Santorum advocates war against pornography

Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Mar 15 15:59:51 2012, in response to Re: Santorum advocates war against pornography, posted by AlM on Thu Mar 15 15:41:45 2012.

It shouldn't make the environment less pleasant.

It's just a store that sells sex tapes, books and toys.

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Re: Santorum advocates war against pornography

Posted by AlM on Thu Mar 15 16:08:49 2012, in response to Re: Santorum advocates war against pornography, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Mar 15 15:59:51 2012.

As Spider-Pig points out, it's a business.

I wouldn't particularly want a florist next door either. Or even a chocalte store (and I love chocolate).

And I did say it wasn't a major issue.


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Re: Santorum advocates war against pornography

Posted by Train Dude on Thu Mar 15 16:14:59 2012, in response to Re: Santorum advocates war against pornography, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Mar 15 14:19:17 2012.

That's correct. What is your point?

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Re: Santorum advocates war against pornography

Posted by Train Dude on Thu Mar 15 16:23:09 2012, in response to Re: Santorum advocates war against pornography, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Mar 15 14:19:17 2012.

Nobody is forcing kids to eat chicken nuggets instead of a Tuna Sandwich.....................wait, the democrats in some places are.

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Re: Santorum advocates war against pornography

Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Mar 15 16:49:55 2012, in response to Re: Santorum advocates war against pornography, posted by AlM on Thu Mar 15 16:08:49 2012.

But an adult book store is a major issue for most. And I'm sure that many of the people who bitch about Santorum's comments would want the adult book store or strip club to be far away from their own home. They probably wouldn't mind the florist. THIW.

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Re: Santorum advocates war against pornography

Posted by Railman718 on Thu Mar 15 16:59:01 2012, in response to Re: Santorum advocates war against pornography, posted by dand124 on Wed Mar 14 22:49:55 2012.

Hey why should you care? I have a good freind who busted his hump for close to thrity years and he earned his pension..

Will you sing the same tune in that time?

Folks who hate on people with pensions>Losers

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Re: Santorum advocates war against pornography

Posted by Mitch45 on Thu Mar 15 16:59:50 2012, in response to Re: Santorum advocates war against pornography, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Mar 15 14:47:17 2012.

I think by definition, exploitation can only exist when one party has an advantage over the other and uses that advantage for personal gain. If all parties are forced into doing something, that is not exploitation.

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Re: Santorum advocates war against pornography

Posted by Train Dude on Thu Mar 15 17:19:12 2012, in response to Re: Santorum advocates war against pornography, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Mar 14 22:52:41 2012.

I thought the governor was your guy. The republican lost.

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Re: Santorum advocates war against pornography

Posted by Train Dude on Thu Mar 15 17:26:48 2012, in response to Re: Santorum advocates war against pornography, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Mar 15 15:47:34 2012.

When was the last time you patronized an adult book store? When was the last time you paid for the services of a prostitute?

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Re: Santorum advocates war against pornography

Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Mar 15 17:29:35 2012, in response to Re: Santorum advocates war against pornography, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Mar 15 15:47:34 2012.

book stores are not obsolete.

and they're something people would strongly oppose in their neighborhood. but the same people cry "First Amendment" when some politician makes some statement about porn, like it's the most important thing in their lives(well danD124 did start the thread).

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Re: Santorum advocates war against pornography

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Mar 15 18:19:14 2012, in response to Re: Santorum advocates war against pornography, posted by AlM on Thu Mar 15 15:34:17 2012.

A slaughterhouse is noisy, messy, smelly, takes up a lot of space, and so forth. How is a porn shop all those things? You have people going in, and it's pretty contained inside. For the record, I wouldn't want it next door either, but to compare it to the same type of thing as a slaughterhouse is absurd.

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Re: Santorum advocates war against pornography

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Mar 15 18:20:08 2012, in response to Re: Santorum advocates war against pornography, posted by AlM on Thu Mar 15 15:41:45 2012.

Yes, it makes a neighborhood "slightly" less pleasant as you said. A slaughterhouse makes it HUGELY unpleasant.

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Re: Santorum advocates war against pornography

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Mar 15 18:20:50 2012, in response to Re: Santorum advocates war against pornography, posted by AlM on Thu Mar 15 16:08:49 2012.

What the heck would a florist next door do?

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Re: Santorum advocates war against pornography

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Mar 15 18:22:37 2012, in response to Re: Santorum advocates war against pornography, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Mar 15 14:52:54 2012.

Raw Sewage and a treatment plant would have far more reaching impact that a porn shop. The smell, noise, waste, and space needed for one alone would make it a horror. Now how does that even remotely compare to a porn shop? Another absurd comparison.

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Re: Santorum advocates war against pornography

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Mar 15 18:25:26 2012, in response to Re: Santorum advocates war against pornography, posted by Forest Glen on Wed Mar 14 22:31:09 2012.

Oh really? But the same people that say that are the same ones that want to dictate what sort of lightbulbs we use, whether we use plastic bags or not, or say our kids can't bring a peanut butter and jelly sandwich with them to school for lunch as the government has a right to say what a parent feeds their children.

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Re: Santorum advocates war against pornography

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Mar 15 18:26:42 2012, in response to Re: Santorum advocates war against pornography, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Mar 15 14:17:46 2012.

I dunno, shouldn't you be asking Amsterdam that?

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Re: Santorum advocates war against pornography

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Mar 15 18:28:06 2012, in response to Re: Santorum advocates war against pornography, posted by Forest Glen on Wed Mar 14 22:31:09 2012.

Wasn't the East Side Madam case involving underage girls?

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Re: Santorum advocates war against pornography

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Mar 15 18:41:12 2012, in response to Re: Santorum advocates war against pornography, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Mar 15 14:29:33 2012.

Wait ... they still HAVE "adult bookstores" after Brazzers?

And DiCarlo's is right up the street. They even have "how-to" tips for republicans:



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Re: Santorum advocates war against pornography

Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Mar 15 18:48:28 2012, in response to Re: Santorum advocates war against pornography, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Mar 15 18:22:37 2012.

I don't see sewage aficionados looking to get into the sewage plant to check out the "action" . . .

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Re: Santorum advocates war against pornography

Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Mar 15 18:49:11 2012, in response to Re: Santorum advocates war against pornography, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Mar 15 18:20:50 2012.

Aw, everyone knows that flowers are the sex organs of certain plants . . . totally pornographic.

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Re: Santorum advocates war against pornography

Posted by Train Dude on Thu Mar 15 18:52:29 2012, in response to Re: Santorum advocates war against pornography, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Mar 15 14:17:46 2012.

So now you are comparing prostitutes, human beings to garbage?

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Re: Santorum advocates war against pornography

Posted by Train Dude on Thu Mar 15 18:53:56 2012, in response to Re: Santorum advocates war against pornography, posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Mar 15 18:41:12 2012.

Why don't you go out and protest the forced closing of the Troy Theater?


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Re: Santorum advocates war against pornography

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Mar 15 18:57:16 2012, in response to Re: Santorum advocates war against pornography, posted by Train Dude on Thu Mar 15 18:53:56 2012.

Because I don't give a shit. Troy is republican country, 'nuff said.

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Re: Santorum advocates war against pornography

Posted by orange blossom special on Thu Mar 15 19:03:06 2012, in response to Re: Santorum advocates war against pornography, posted by Mitch45 on Thu Mar 15 16:59:50 2012.

It used to be shameful to get porno. Now you watch it out in the open in your car, as people actually do.

youtube [to a woody allen classic]

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Re: Santorum advocates war against pornography

Posted by orange blossom special on Thu Mar 15 19:10:36 2012, in response to Re: Santorum advocates war against pornography, posted by dand124 on Wed Mar 14 21:24:45 2012.

Thanks for clarifying. Depending on if the punishment isn't excessive, otherwise whatever. Porn will always exists, with cell phones ad videocameras, will end up being warez again.

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Re: Santorum advocates war against pornography

Posted by AlM on Thu Mar 15 20:01:04 2012, in response to Re: Santorum advocates war against pornography, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Mar 15 18:20:50 2012.

Bring traffic, of course. Why do you think residential zoning exists?



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Re: Santorum advocates war against pornography

Posted by AlM on Thu Mar 15 20:04:32 2012, in response to Re: Santorum advocates war against pornography, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Mar 15 18:22:37 2012.

You are pointing out why Luch's original comment was absurd.

He said "How can you support porn being legal when you don't want a porn shop next door?"

And we gave multiple examples of things we support being legal that you don't want next door. It emphasizes the absurdity of the question. Of course a sewage plant or a slaughterhouse is far worse next door than a porn shop.



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Re: Santorum advocates war against pornography

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Mar 15 20:05:13 2012, in response to Re: Santorum advocates war against pornography, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Mar 15 18:49:11 2012.

Stamens and pistols are ... the flower is just the big neon sign hanging above which says, "come and get some." :)

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Re: Santorum advocates war against pornography

Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Mar 15 20:42:09 2012, in response to Re: Santorum advocates war against pornography, posted by AlM on Thu Mar 15 20:04:32 2012.

It's not absurd.

The argument here is First Amendment. There's no First Amendment defense for a garbage dump or slaughter house.



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Re: Santorum advocates war against pornography

Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Mar 15 20:49:50 2012, in response to Re: Santorum advocates war against pornography, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Mar 15 20:42:09 2012.

That should be self-evident.

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Re: Santorum advocates war against pornography

Posted by AlM on Thu Mar 15 20:59:26 2012, in response to Re: Santorum advocates war against pornography, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Mar 15 20:42:09 2012.

They are all legal activities. You are asking, if I think it deserves to be legal, why do I not want it next door? And Spider-Pig and I point out numerous legal activities that we do not want next door.

We are pointing out that tT both support the legality of an activity and to not want it next door are not a sign of hypocrisy.



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Re: Santorum advocates war against pornography

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Mar 15 21:06:19 2012, in response to Re: Santorum advocates war against pornography, posted by AlM on Thu Mar 15 20:04:32 2012.

No it doesn't. While it wouldn't be great to have a porn store next door, it's not even close to being as bad as having a sewage treatment plant, or a slaughter house nextdoor. They aren't even the remotest bit comparable.

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Re: Santorum advocates war against pornography

Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Mar 15 21:07:35 2012, in response to Re: Santorum advocates war against pornography, posted by AlM on Thu Mar 15 20:59:26 2012.

they are legal.

but most leftists would probably support a conservative politician who help rid their neighborhood of a garbage dump or slaughter house. but when a pol speaks out against porn, leftists are up in arms.

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Re: Santorum advocates war against pornography

Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Mar 15 21:22:24 2012, in response to Re: Santorum advocates war against pornography, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Mar 15 21:06:19 2012.

Right. The entire point of starting a thread like this, is to portray as Republicans as being a threat to freedom.

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Re: Santorum advocates war against pornography

Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Mar 15 21:40:47 2012, in response to Re: Santorum advocates war against pornography, posted by Train Dude on Thu Mar 15 16:14:59 2012.

It sounds like you believe that such porn should be banned.

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Re: Santorum advocates war against pornography

Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Mar 15 21:47:05 2012, in response to Re: Santorum advocates war against pornography, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Mar 15 17:29:35 2012.

They sure are. Adult book stores especially.

Like I said, it's a matter of zoning. I wouldn't want to live next door to a mainstream book store either.

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Re: Santorum advocates war against pornography

Posted by Train Dude on Thu Mar 15 21:47:32 2012, in response to Re: Santorum advocates war against pornography, posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Mar 15 18:57:16 2012.

So you say. Seems to me that it was a democratic thing. 20th St news stand is still open for cruising, isn't it?

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Re: Santorum advocates war against pornography

Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Mar 15 21:47:57 2012, in response to Re: Santorum advocates war against pornography, posted by Train Dude on Thu Mar 15 17:26:48 2012.

I have never done either of those things. What's your point?

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Re: Santorum advocates war against pornography

Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Mar 15 21:53:03 2012, in response to Re: Santorum advocates war against pornography, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Mar 15 18:22:37 2012.

It is not an absurd comparison at all. I never said the two uses were of equal scale.

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Re: Santorum advocates war against pornography

Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Mar 15 21:54:04 2012, in response to Re: Santorum advocates war against pornography, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Mar 15 21:06:19 2012.

Stop being annoying. Once again, the scale of objectionability is moot.

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Re: Santorum advocates war against pornography

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Mar 15 21:56:08 2012, in response to Re: Santorum advocates war against pornography, posted by Train Dude on Thu Mar 15 21:47:32 2012.

Heh. I know about as much about Troy's seedy sections as I do about West Islip. But since you appear to know of this place, DO tell us more! Meet anyone interesting there? :)

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Re: Santorum advocates war against pornography

Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Mar 15 21:56:17 2012, in response to Re: Santorum advocates war against pornography, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Mar 15 21:07:35 2012.

I would support the person who wanted to rid my neighborhood of such objectionable land uses, but not the political who wanted to rid all places of such uses.

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Re: Santorum advocates war against pornography

Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Mar 15 21:57:26 2012, in response to Re: Santorum advocates war against pornography, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Mar 15 18:25:26 2012.

LOL! Those things are completely incomparable.

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Re: Santorum advocates war against pornography

Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Mar 15 21:57:57 2012, in response to Re: Santorum advocates war against pornography, posted by Train Dude on Thu Mar 15 18:52:29 2012.

I guess.

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Re: Santorum advocates war against pornography

Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Mar 15 21:58:34 2012, in response to Re: Santorum advocates war against pornography, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Mar 15 18:26:42 2012.

Amsterdam officials are free to read my comments on this board. :-)

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Re: Santorum advocates war against pornography

Posted by Train Dude on Thu Mar 15 22:01:29 2012, in response to Re: Santorum advocates war against pornography, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Mar 15 21:40:47 2012.

In general, while I am not a fan of porn at this point in my life, I would not outlaw it except in certain very narrow circumstances. There is a large segment of the population that would not be adversely affected by porn but there are those who could conceivably see porn such as in the example that I mentioned and suddenly have to act on the idea portrayed. Many years ago I was acquainted with 3 people in the business end of the industry. For the reason stated, they would never make a film that depicted teen girls even if the actress was in her 20s. They also stayed away from images of school uniforms or story lines that involved teacher-student or incest.

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Re: Santorum advocates war against pornography

Posted by Train Dude on Thu Mar 15 22:05:02 2012, in response to Re: Santorum advocates war against pornography, posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Mar 15 21:56:08 2012.

Obviously you knew enough to know some of the goings on there. I know some people who were involved. I also heard tales that I still have not been able to verify.

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Re: Santorum advocates war against pornography

Posted by Train Dude on Thu Mar 15 22:05:39 2012, in response to Re: Santorum advocates war against pornography, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Mar 15 21:47:57 2012.

Just curious since you are advocating so strongly

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Re: Santorum advocates war against pornography

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Mar 15 22:08:43 2012, in response to Re: Santorum advocates war against pornography, posted by Train Dude on Thu Mar 15 22:05:02 2012.

Nope ... knew to stay the hell away from that side of the river within weeks of moving up here. Republican trailer park territory. You go first ... :)

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Re: Santorum advocates war against pornography

Posted by Train Dude on Thu Mar 15 22:10:26 2012, in response to Re: Santorum advocates war against pornography, posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Mar 15 22:08:43 2012.

Funny thing, I never saw trailer parks up there. Now out in redneck territory where you were - hmmmmmmmmmmmmm

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