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Re: Santorum advocates war against pornography

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Mar 15 22:13:50 2012, in response to Re: Santorum advocates war against pornography, posted by Train Dude on Thu Mar 15 22:10:26 2012.

Welllll ... if you were hanging out in the seedy part of Troy as you claim, most of the trailers around there got jacked ages ago. You've gotta get out into East Greenbush or the surrounding burghs to see those.

And as to over in Albany county, those are out west of Guilderland and into Schoharie ... those too are strongly republican areas. So you're really not winning here, son ... and as for the rednecks around here, yep. And as crazy as some of them are, they're a lot better behaved than you are.

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Re: Santorum advocates war against pornography

Posted by Train Dude on Thu Mar 15 22:17:06 2012, in response to Re: Santorum advocates war against pornography, posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Mar 15 22:13:50 2012.

Your reading comprehension isn't too good. I never claimed to have hung out in those parts.

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Re: Santorum advocates war against pornography

Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Thu Mar 15 22:20:00 2012, in response to Re: Santorum advocates war against pornography, posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Mar 15 18:41:12 2012.

they still HAVE "adult bookstores" after Brazzers?

Brazzers, one of the best ways to spend $100 per year!

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Re: Santorum advocates war against pornography

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Mar 15 22:24:06 2012, in response to Re: Santorum advocates war against pornography, posted by Train Dude on Thu Mar 15 22:17:06 2012.

Funny ... you don't live here and yet you know about this place and I've been here for 30 years and change and I don't. Coincidence? I think narf. :)



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Re: Santorum advocates war against pornography

Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Thu Mar 15 22:25:30 2012, in response to Re: Santorum advocates war against pornography, posted by Train Dude on Thu Mar 15 13:28:54 2012.

the number of "legal" prostitutes is being cut from 480 to 200 as Albanian mobs try to take over the industry

Which is arguably, the worst thing to do as it restricts the supply of prostitutes, increases prices, and creates an even greater incentive for the mafia to supply alternative and illegal sources of prostitutes. Prostitution is already illegal in the United States, and we're still stuck with the problem of the mafia and pimps running prostitution rings. Provide the legal frame work for prostitution to allow the service, while creating the regulations to keep out the criminals.

Personally, I just don't see it as victimless.

Criminalization creates the victims that you're fearing...

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Re: Santorum advocates war against pornography

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Mar 15 22:26:49 2012, in response to Re: Santorum advocates war against pornography, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Thu Mar 15 22:20:00 2012.

They're always posting free (stolen) passwords for that joint on /b/ ... but having seen some of the teases, not my type. But with that and so many other places on the intarwebs, I'd think bookstores would be reverted to selling Chaucer as a result of all that (cheaper) competition. :)

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Re: Santorum advocates war against pornography

Posted by Train Dude on Thu Mar 15 22:27:19 2012, in response to Re: Santorum advocates war against pornography, posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Mar 15 22:24:06 2012.

Perhaps you should wonder.

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Re: Santorum advocates war against pornography

Posted by Train Dude on Thu Mar 15 22:31:02 2012, in response to Re: Santorum advocates war against pornography, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Thu Mar 15 22:25:30 2012.

In Amsterdam, legalization does not protect the sex workers. It protects the customers. The girls are still subject to being infected with diseases as the customers are not tested. They are subject to being addicted to drugs in order to maintain them as prostitutes and they may fall victim to organized crime. So let us drop the illusion that prostitution is victimless.

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Re: Santorum advocates war against pornography

Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Thu Mar 15 22:32:04 2012, in response to Re: Santorum advocates war against pornography, posted by Train Dude on Thu Mar 15 13:39:48 2012.

depicting girls looking about under 18, wearing what look like parochial school uniforms

Coincidentally, I find that to be the worst porn possible. Not from some sense that it's wrong, but more so that they tend to make the girls as unattractive as possible. Plus, after years of Catholic school, the whole school uniform bit seems silly to me.

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Re: Santorum advocates war against pornography

Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Thu Mar 15 22:33:24 2012, in response to Re: Santorum advocates war against pornography, posted by Mitch45 on Thu Mar 15 14:43:46 2012.

reduces them to sex objects

In contrast, the benefit of watching porn is that it allows one to view real world women as something other than a sex object.

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Re: Santorum advocates war against pornography

Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Mar 15 22:34:03 2012, in response to Re: Santorum advocates war against pornography, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Mar 15 21:53:03 2012.

why do you think danD124 chose the word "war"?

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Re: Santorum advocates war against pornography

Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Mar 15 22:34:10 2012, in response to Re: Santorum advocates war against pornography, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Mar 15 21:53:03 2012.

why do you think danD124 chose the word "war"?

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Re: Santorum advocates war against pornography

Posted by Train Dude on Thu Mar 15 22:35:00 2012, in response to Re: Santorum advocates war against pornography, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Thu Mar 15 22:32:04 2012.

And yet there is a segment of the porn consumers that thrive on those very same images or images of incest. Of them, there is a small but dangerous sub-sect that will act on those images.

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Re: Santorum advocates war against pornography

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Mar 15 22:36:12 2012, in response to Re: Santorum advocates war against pornography, posted by Train Dude on Thu Mar 15 22:27:19 2012.

Nope ... got better things to ponder ... things such as:

"if a person with multiple personalities threatens suicide, would that be considered a hostage situation?"

or ...

"Do radioactive cats have 18 half-lives?"

or

"If vegetarians love animals so much, why do they eat all their food?"

or

"If a man speaks his mind in the forest and there's no woman around to hear it, is he still wrong?"

... promise I'll get back to you on that, it's all about prioritization. :)

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Re: Santorum advocates war against pornography

Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Thu Mar 15 22:39:38 2012, in response to Re: Santorum advocates war against pornography, posted by Train Dude on Thu Mar 15 22:31:02 2012.

The girls are still subject to being infected with diseases as the customers are not tested.

It's admittedly a risk, but it's something that the women who go into the industry understand as a risk. It's not much different than understanding that police officers are liable to being shot by criminals or fire fighters dying in a fire.

They are subject to being addicted to drugs in order to maintain them as prostitutes

And there are some people who resort to alcohol and drugs due to the stress from their jobs. Do we ban stressful jobs?

So let us drop the illusion that prostitution is victimless.

Again, that is still a victimless crime as they're not hurting anybody other than themselves. It may be a risky profession, but a woman who chooses to engage in this profession in a country where it is legal is not a victim.

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Re: Santorum advocates war against pornography

Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Thu Mar 15 22:42:06 2012, in response to Re: Santorum advocates war against pornography, posted by Train Dude on Thu Mar 15 22:35:00 2012.

And yet there is a segment of the porn consumers that thrive on those very same images or images of incest

There's porn based on incest? Hell, I sample a few mainstream sites every so often, so I don't see such story lines, and the trend has been toward so-called gonzo porn where there isn't much in the way of story line. Just a sexually attractive woman in skimpy clothes awaiting sex...

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Re: Santorum advocates war against pornography

Posted by Train Dude on Thu Mar 15 22:48:08 2012, in response to Re: Santorum advocates war against pornography, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Thu Mar 15 22:39:38 2012.

Police officers and fire fighters are highly trained and well equipped for their jobs. Their risks are minimized.

Stressful jobs might or might not cause a person to turn to drugs and those that do are often referred to counseling but prostitutes are often hooked on drugs to insure their pliability and continued employment.

I noticed that you did not respond to the criminal element that often involves itself in the sex trade. That criminality includes kidnapping and sex enslavement.

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Re: Santorum advocates war against pornography

Posted by Train Dude on Thu Mar 15 22:51:04 2012, in response to Re: Santorum advocates war against pornography, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Thu Mar 15 22:42:06 2012.

I don't sample porn sites but there are sites that cater to virtually all fetishes including S&M, B&D, scat and others including incest.

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Re: Santorum advocates war against pornography

Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Thu Mar 15 22:58:03 2012, in response to Re: Santorum advocates war against pornography, posted by Train Dude on Thu Mar 15 22:48:08 2012.

I noticed that you did not respond to the criminal element that often involves itself in the sex trade. That criminality includes kidnapping and sex enslavement.

And the solution to that is to legalize the process, provide safe, regulated places to permit prostitution, while chasing out the bad actors who kidnap women, trick them, enslave them, and drug them. Otherwise, if we continue to keep prostitution illegal, we'll be stuck with the problems that you're fearing, except magnified further given that the demand for prostitutes while reduced will always be there, and the bulk of that demand will fuel profits for criminal element instead of going to the women.

Police officers and fire fighters are highly trained and well equipped for their jobs. Their risks are minimized.

And yet, that risk is there. Coincidentally, we can also minimize the risks with condoms, and encouragement of frequent testing for sexually active men and women regardless of their participation in prostitution.

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Re: Santorum advocates war against pornography

Posted by dand124 on Thu Mar 15 22:59:08 2012, in response to Re: Santorum advocates war against pornography, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Mar 15 22:34:10 2012.

because Santorum used the word war

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Re: Santorum advocates war against pornography

Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Thu Mar 15 23:00:17 2012, in response to Re: Santorum advocates war against pornography, posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Mar 15 22:26:49 2012.

but having seen some of the teases, not my type

Yeah, you're far too old to enjoy modern porn. It's a young man's sport. :-)

They're always posting free (stolen) passwords for that joint on /b/

See, I'd feel guilty about using porn like that, but there are some sites that aren't even worth the effort to hack. :-)

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Re: Santorum advocates war against pornography

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Mar 15 23:00:55 2012, in response to Re: Santorum advocates war against pornography, posted by Train Dude on Thu Mar 15 22:51:04 2012.

Not to mention the main board right here ... TRAIN porn!



"Rule 34: no exceptions ..."

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Re: Santorum advocates war against pornography

Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Mar 15 23:04:37 2012, in response to Re: Santorum advocates war against pornography, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Thu Mar 15 23:00:17 2012.

Yeah, you're far too old to enjoy modern porn. It's a young man's sport. :-)

Can't imagine watching anything but amateur porn.


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Re: Santorum advocates war against pornography

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Mar 15 23:06:17 2012, in response to Re: Santorum advocates war against pornography, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Thu Mar 15 23:00:17 2012.

Heh. Yeah, when you're getting some regularly, porn does kinda lose its appeal. :)

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Re: Santorum advocates war against pornography

Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Thu Mar 15 23:18:52 2012, in response to Re: Santorum advocates war against pornography, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Mar 15 23:04:37 2012.

Can't imagine watching anything but amateur porn.

Ewww. If I wanted to watch amateur porn, I'd get a girlfriend.

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Re: Santorum advocates war against pornography

Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Mar 15 23:23:58 2012, in response to Re: Santorum advocates war against pornography, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Thu Mar 15 23:18:52 2012.

Ewww. If I wanted to watch amateur porn, I'd get a girlfriend.

I thought you were dating Amanda until the Brentwood photos were posted.

Pro porn sucks. The girls look too similar. Fake tits, tramps stamps and no hair down there.



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Re: Santorum advocates war against pornography

Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Mar 15 23:27:49 2012, in response to Re: Santorum advocates war against pornography, posted by dand124 on Thu Mar 15 22:59:08 2012.

well he supports a group with that name anyway.

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Re: Santorum advocates war against pornography

Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Mar 15 23:27:54 2012, in response to Re: Santorum advocates war against pornography, posted by dand124 on Thu Mar 15 22:59:08 2012.

well he supports a group with that name anyway.

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Re: Santorum advocates war against pornography

Posted by dand124 on Thu Mar 15 23:30:03 2012, in response to Re: Santorum advocates war against pornography, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Mar 15 23:27:54 2012.

a group containing these groups, Morality in Media, Family Research Council, Focus on the Family, American Family Association, Cornerstone Family Council of New Hampshire, Pennsylvania Family Institute, Concerned Women for America, The Ethics & Religious Liberty Commission of the Southern Baptist Convention


this is who Santorum wants to put in charge of the internet

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Re: Santorum advocates war against pornography

Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Thu Mar 15 23:30:56 2012, in response to Re: Santorum advocates war against pornography, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Mar 15 23:23:58 2012.

Fake tits, tramps stamps and no hair down there.

In contrast, that's why I like porn and reality TV shows where the girls are skanky. Those girls are sexually attractive to me, and I'm still left wondering how men have sex with women who aren't like that.

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Re: Santorum advocates war against pornography

Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Mar 15 23:41:06 2012, in response to Re: Santorum advocates war against pornography, posted by dand124 on Thu Mar 15 23:30:03 2012.

I've heard of Morality in Media. Never heard of any others.

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Re: Santorum advocates war against pornography

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Mar 15 23:45:24 2012, in response to Re: Santorum advocates war against pornography, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Mar 15 23:41:06 2012.

You gotta put down that cable box and watch more "Pray TV" son ... them's those dewds and dewdettes ... the ones that Olog insists don't exist. :)

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Re: Santorum advocates war against pornography

Posted by SMAZ on Fri Mar 16 04:53:20 2012, in response to Re: Santorum advocates war against pornography, posted by Train Dude on Thu Mar 15 22:31:02 2012.

Customers in Amsterdam are mandated to wear condoms.

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Re: Santorum advocates war against pornography

Posted by SMAZ on Fri Mar 16 04:55:54 2012, in response to Re: Santorum advocates war against pornography, posted by Train Dude on Thu Mar 15 22:35:00 2012.

There is a segment of the porn industry that thrives on customers preferences for images of scat.

Are you gonna ban feces?

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Re: Santorum advocates war against pornography

Posted by SMAZ on Fri Mar 16 05:14:30 2012, in response to Re: Santorum advocates war against pornography, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Mar 15 18:48:28 2012.

I don't see sewage aficionados looking to get into the sewage plant to check out the "action" . . .



For the record, I have been taken the guided tour inside the Shit Tits in Greenpoint and it was awesome.

(note: the Shit Tits have nothing to do with porn or scat)

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Re: Santorum advocates war against pornography

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Mar 16 06:36:12 2012, in response to Re: Santorum advocates war against pornography, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Mar 15 21:54:04 2012.

No it's not. The absurdity of comparing a porn shop to a sewage plant, or a slaughterhouse is ridiculous.

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Re: Santorum advocates war against pornography

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Mar 16 06:42:28 2012, in response to Re: Santorum advocates war against pornography, posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Mar 15 21:56:08 2012.

There's nothing "seedy" about West Islip. Nor are their "trailer parks" there? Comparison comes from?

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Re: Santorum advocates war against pornography

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Mar 16 06:43:28 2012, in response to Re: Santorum advocates war against pornography, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Mar 15 21:57:26 2012.

Oh really?

"The government does not have the right to regulate the private conduct of its constituents. "

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Re: Santorum advocates war against pornography

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Mar 16 06:49:37 2012, in response to Re: Santorum advocates war against pornography, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Thu Mar 15 22:58:03 2012.

and encouragement of frequent testing for sexually active men and women regardless of their participation in prostitution.


Then we get back into the police state again. Far too reaching. peole are against people having to show ID to vote (we show ID for almost everything important), yet you think people, regardless of whether they use prostitute or not, should be mandatory tested for disease? Wow.

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Re: Santorum advocates war against pornography

Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Fri Mar 16 08:30:01 2012, in response to Re: Santorum advocates war against pornography, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Mar 15 15:14:31 2012.

I can understand that, but I can't understand why one would so openly support porn yet not want an adult book store or strip club next door.

I used to live above a pizza place and a kosher bakery, and I wouldn't want to do either again. I still support the legality of pizza and baked goods.

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Re: Santorum advocates war against pornography

Posted by AlM on Fri Mar 16 08:44:39 2012, in response to Re: Santorum advocates war against pornography, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Mar 15 21:47:05 2012.

I wouldn't want to live next door to a mainstream book store either.

He just doesn't seem to understand that very simple point.


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Re: Santorum advocates war against pornography

Posted by AlM on Fri Mar 16 08:47:51 2012, in response to Re: Santorum advocates war against pornography, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Mar 16 06:36:12 2012.

I explained to you why I used the example of a slaughterhouse. Why do you keep on insisting that I said that a slaughterhouse is the same as an adult book store. I was using an extreme example for effect.

What part of "Just because I support it being legal doesn't mean I want one next door" don't you understand?

I don't want a sewage plant next door.
I don't want an adult book store next door.
I don't want a florist next door.
I don't want a conventional book store next door.

Do you understand now?



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Re: Santorum advocates war against pornography

Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Fri Mar 16 09:44:41 2012, in response to Re: Santorum advocates war against pornography, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Fri Mar 16 08:30:01 2012.

Living above a restaurant produces consrant food smells. Porn shops do not.

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Re: Santorum advocates war against pornography

Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Fri Mar 16 09:48:08 2012, in response to Re: Santorum advocates war against pornography, posted by AlM on Fri Mar 16 08:47:51 2012.

You sure did use on extreme example. That was my point.
It's not even a glimmer of the same type of business.
And what would be the reason for florists and regular bookstores?

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Re: Santorum advocates war against pornography

Posted by JayMan on Fri Mar 16 09:52:45 2012, in response to Re: Santorum advocates war against pornography, posted by Mitch45 on Thu Mar 15 14:43:46 2012.

Congratulations to Rick Santorum for taking us back to the 1950s...

If only that fucker would say shit like this after the primaries so he would have had a chance of becoming the nominee...

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Re: Santorum advocates war against pornography

Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Fri Mar 16 09:54:03 2012, in response to Re: Santorum advocates war against pornography, posted by JayMan on Fri Mar 16 09:52:45 2012.

The democrats are hurting themselves by pushing all of his extremist ideas as most people will not want that so he will not win the primaries

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Re: Santorum advocates war against pornography

Posted by JayMan on Fri Mar 16 09:55:19 2012, in response to Re: Santorum advocates war against pornography, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Mar 15 14:44:47 2012.

I support landfills, prisons, and incinerators, but I don't want one setting up shop next door, either.

Great non sequitur, though...

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Re: Santorum advocates war against pornography

Posted by JayMan on Fri Mar 16 09:57:01 2012, in response to Re: Santorum advocates war against pornography, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Mar 15 15:59:51 2012.

Unfortunately, it's not so simple.

Think about a term you like to use, "the element"...

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Re: Santorum advocates war against pornography

Posted by AlM on Fri Mar 16 09:57:59 2012, in response to Re: Santorum advocates war against pornography, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Fri Mar 16 09:48:08 2012.

I already explained. Traffic.


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Re: Santorum advocates war against pornography

Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Fri Mar 16 10:01:39 2012, in response to Re: Santorum advocates war against pornography, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Mar 16 06:49:37 2012.

yet you think people, regardless of whether they use prostitute or not, should be mandatory tested for disease?

There's a difference between some PSAs on TV suggesting an idea, and mandatory testing enforced by law enforcement with penalties of imprisonment or fines for non-compliance.

Besides, one can engage in sex with "normal" women and still be at risk for a sexually transmitted disease.

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