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Re: NASCAR Bans the General Lee

Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Feb 21 12:00:01 2012, in response to Re: NASCAR Bans the General Lee, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Feb 21 09:51:05 2012.

His point was that the General Lee appeared with the flag intact in a popular medium as recently as 2005. That disproves your point that "I can't even imagine the fake "outrage" by leftists if they attempted to make a show like Dukes of Hazzard today."

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Re: NASCAR Bans the General Lee

Posted by Mitch45 on Tue Feb 21 12:07:40 2012, in response to Re: NASCAR Bans the General Lee, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Feb 21 12:00:01 2012.

In 2005, the left was busy beating up Bush. Now they can turn their energies elsewhere.

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Re: NASCAR Bans the General Lee

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Feb 21 12:09:09 2012, in response to Re: NASCAR Bans the General Lee, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Feb 21 11:58:38 2012.

It is what it is, not how some may not see it that way.

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Re: NASCAR Bans the General Lee

Posted by Mitch45 on Tue Feb 21 12:09:45 2012, in response to Re: NASCAR Bans the General Lee, posted by Fred G on Tue Feb 21 08:46:15 2012.

One man's treason is another man's freedom.

The question isn't whether the South had the right to withdraw from the Union and form a separate country. The question is what was the driving force behind it. Southerners today will tell you that it was about states' rights and the freedom to govern apart from Washington, D.C. But in truth it was about the freedom to keep slaves.

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Re: NASCAR Bans the General Lee

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Feb 21 12:10:01 2012, in response to Re: NASCAR Bans the General Lee, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Feb 21 12:00:01 2012.

False. It was a parody on the old TV series which that car was a part of. If not for the TV series with that car, they would never have gotten away with that from todays PC crowd.

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Re: NASCAR Bans the General Lee

Posted by Fred G on Tue Feb 21 12:19:58 2012, in response to Re: NASCAR Bans the General Lee, posted by Mitch45 on Tue Feb 21 12:07:40 2012.

They can multitask :)

your pal,
Fred

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Re: NASCAR Bans the General Lee

Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Feb 21 12:33:26 2012, in response to Re: NASCAR Bans the General Lee, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Feb 21 10:41:47 2012.

In some ways, the American flag is becoming the new Confederate flag.

I should add, the American flag is now seen as a Republican symbol too.


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Re: NASCAR Bans the General Lee

Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Feb 21 13:42:44 2012, in response to Re: NASCAR Bans the General Lee, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Feb 21 12:09:09 2012.

What? It is entirely about how people see it.

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Re: NASCAR Bans the General Lee

Posted by streetcarman1 on Tue Feb 21 13:47:35 2012, in response to Re: NASCAR Bans the General Lee, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Feb 20 22:48:01 2012.

Of course...racism still exist in America.

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Re: NASCAR Bans the General Lee

Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Feb 21 13:48:15 2012, in response to Re: NASCAR Bans the General Lee, posted by Mitch45 on Tue Feb 21 12:09:45 2012.

Excellent post.

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Re: NASCAR Bans the General Lee

Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Feb 21 13:50:10 2012, in response to Re: NASCAR Bans the General Lee, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Feb 21 10:41:47 2012.

The element of people who fly that flag don't know what treason means.

I know that but I call it "the treason flag" regardless of the context. I use "Confederate Flag" to refer to a flag officially used by the Confederate States of America for any purpose.

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Re: NASCAR Bans the General Lee

Posted by streetcarman1 on Tue Feb 21 13:50:26 2012, in response to Re: NASCAR Bans the General Lee, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Feb 21 10:41:47 2012.

" It's an example of the power of black activism."

Really? ......so you again still support racist views against African-Americans....when does it stop with you?

"In some ways, the American flag is becoming the new Confederate flag. "

You're a SICK PUPPY....you require medical attention immediately!



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Re: NASCAR Bans the General Lee

Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Feb 21 13:51:14 2012, in response to Re: NASCAR Bans the General Lee, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Feb 21 12:33:26 2012.

It is a republican symbol. It stands for a republic! The greatest republic of all time!

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Re: NASCAR Bans the General Lee

Posted by streetcarman1 on Tue Feb 21 13:51:15 2012, in response to Re: NASCAR Bans the General Lee, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Feb 21 12:33:26 2012.

"I should add, the American flag is now seen as a Republican symbol too."

Did you make that up or did you get that at the recent KKK rally?



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Re: NASCAR Bans the General Lee

Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Feb 21 13:53:35 2012, in response to Re: NASCAR Bans the General Lee, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Feb 21 13:50:10 2012.

This is a confederate flag:



So is this:



The rectangular "treason flag" began use by the Klan and other figures long after the Confederacy had ceased to exist.

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Re: NASCAR Bans the General Lee

Posted by SMAZ on Tue Feb 21 14:26:30 2012, in response to Re: NASCAR Bans the General Lee, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Feb 21 09:40:51 2012.

There is nothing "politically correct" about condemning the glorification of treason against your country. Free democratic nation states built modern Western society. It's slavery that's contrary to the march of the last 300 years of history.


Great post.

It's like saying that Germany bans Nazi symbols because of PC.

Those symbols were banned after the war because of the ruin that philosophy represents caused on German society and on millions of other innocents outside its borders.

Italy banned the National Fascist Party (putting that ban into their Constitution) because of the destruction and misery that that philosophy wrought onto that country and its people.

Political correctness has nothing to do with it.

Only apologists for hate and segregation believe that.

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Re: NASCAR Bans the General Lee

Posted by Easy on Tue Feb 21 14:31:53 2012, in response to NASCAR Bans the General Lee, posted by SMAZ on Mon Feb 20 22:45:51 2012.

I wouldn't have a problem with it but I can understand why they cancelled.

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Re: NASCAR Bans the General Lee

Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Feb 21 14:41:02 2012, in response to Re: NASCAR Bans the General Lee, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Feb 21 13:51:14 2012.

You know what I mean.

I see the American flag window clings on pickup trucks and bumper stickers that read, "The colors don't run". 99.9% of the time it's a white male, "right-wing" type. I see these people when I go to Walmart. Or the state fair. I don't see them at Whole Foods. I'm sure you won't see them at the DNC in Charlotte.

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Re: NASCAR Bans the General Lee

Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Feb 21 14:41:39 2012, in response to Re: NASCAR Bans the General Lee, posted by Easy on Tue Feb 21 14:31:53 2012.

but I can understand why they cancelled.

Yet JayZeeBMT argues with me when I explain why.


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Re: NASCAR Bans the General Lee

Posted by AMoreira81 on Tue Feb 21 14:54:29 2012, in response to Re: NASCAR Bans the General Lee, posted by Mitch45 on Tue Feb 21 08:16:21 2012.

I disagree with the decision---and your rationale---who is really harmed by this?

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Re: NASCAR Bans the General Lee

Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Feb 21 14:58:34 2012, in response to Re: NASCAR Bans the General Lee, posted by Mitch45 on Tue Feb 21 08:16:21 2012.

The swastika is not the equivalent of the confederate flag. Not even close.

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Re: NASCAR Bans the General Lee

Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Tue Feb 21 16:33:26 2012, in response to Re: NASCAR Bans the General Lee, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Feb 21 11:57:58 2012.

I have never seen it on reruns. In that not that I didn't watch it but that I didn't see it come on. It must have been entirely gone by 1990, or during weird hours on specialty cable channels.

It currently airs at 1:00 and 2:00 a.m. Tuesday through Saturday (i.e., weeknights) on CMT.

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Re: NASCAR Bans the General Lee

Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Tue Feb 21 16:39:30 2012, in response to Re: NASCAR Bans the General Lee, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Feb 21 12:00:01 2012.

His point was that the General Lee appeared with the flag intact in a popular medium as recently as 2005.

There were also made-for-TV movies in 1997 and 2000 starring the original cast (with Toby Keith and Mac Davis in the latter), and a direct to DVD prequel to the feature film in 2007.

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Re: NASCAR Bans the General Lee

Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Feb 21 16:39:30 2012, in response to Re: NASCAR Bans the General Lee, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Tue Feb 21 16:33:26 2012.

It didn't in the early 90's when there were fewer cable channels and before CMT's network decay.

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Re: NASCAR Bans the General Lee

Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Tue Feb 21 16:50:21 2012, in response to Re: NASCAR Bans the General Lee, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Feb 21 16:39:30 2012.

It didn't in the early 90's when there were fewer cable channels and before CMT's network decay.

But if you want to catch it now, before the libruls find out...

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Re: NASCAR Bans the General Lee

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Feb 21 17:14:39 2012, in response to Re: NASCAR Bans the General Lee, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Feb 21 16:39:30 2012.

It was on in reruns in prime time in the 90's.

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Re: NASCAR Bans the General Lee

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Feb 21 17:15:32 2012, in response to Re: NASCAR Bans the General Lee, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Tue Feb 21 16:39:30 2012.

Again, based on the ORIGINAL series. They could never come up with a new series with a car like that.

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Re: NASCAR Bans the General Lee

Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Feb 21 17:15:36 2012, in response to Re: NASCAR Bans the General Lee, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Feb 21 17:14:39 2012.

What channel?

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Re: NASCAR Bans the General Lee

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Feb 21 17:17:41 2012, in response to Re: NASCAR Bans the General Lee, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Feb 21 14:58:34 2012.

Whenever someone wants to post for effect they compare something to "the Nazis". It's getting tiring.

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Re: NASCAR Bans the General Lee

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Feb 21 17:19:32 2012, in response to Re: NASCAR Bans the General Lee, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Feb 21 17:17:41 2012.

How DARE they?! We all know that the only proper thing to post about is "lefties and libruls" ... heh.

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Re: NASCAR Bans the General Lee

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Feb 21 17:23:35 2012, in response to Re: NASCAR Bans the General Lee, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Feb 21 17:15:36 2012.

I don't remember. It may have been CMT, but it may not have been. I remember watching it sometimes around 6 or 7:00 (well pre prime time).

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Re: NASCAR Bans the General Lee

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Feb 21 17:24:19 2012, in response to Re: NASCAR Bans the General Lee, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Feb 21 17:19:32 2012.

No, it's silly when things not even remotely like one of the most horrid regimes in history is compared to said regime. It's ridiculous.

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Re: NASCAR Bans the General Lee

Posted by streetcarman1 on Tue Feb 21 17:24:52 2012, in response to Re: NASCAR Bans the General Lee, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Feb 21 17:17:41 2012.

"It's getting tiring."

Wow...I never knew forms of racism as being boring or tiring.....sorry buddy!

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Re: NASCAR Bans the General Lee

Posted by streetcarman1 on Tue Feb 21 17:26:02 2012, in response to Re: NASCAR Bans the General Lee, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Feb 21 17:24:19 2012.

"No, it's silly when things not even remotely like one of the most horrid regimes in history is compared to said regime. It's ridiculous."

SO ARE YOU NOW SAYING THAT RACISM CAN NEVER BE TRANSPARENT? EH? COME AGAIN????



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Re: NASCAR Bans the General Lee

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Feb 21 17:27:59 2012, in response to Re: NASCAR Bans the General Lee, posted by streetcarman1 on Tue Feb 21 17:26:02 2012.

??????????????????????????????????

No, I said the Confederate Flag is nothing like the Swasticka.

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Re: NASCAR Bans the General Lee

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Feb 21 17:28:47 2012, in response to Re: NASCAR Bans the General Lee, posted by streetcarman1 on Tue Feb 21 17:24:52 2012.

??????????????????

What are you ranting about now? What does that remotely have to do with my post about comparing things to the Nazis?

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Re: NASCAR Bans the General Lee

Posted by streetcarman1 on Tue Feb 21 17:31:43 2012, in response to Re: NASCAR Bans the General Lee, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Feb 21 17:27:59 2012.

DUDE....YOU SO MISS THE POINT....WHICH MAKES IT SICK AND PATHETIC.....BUT THAT'S YOUR DEAL AND NOT MINE.

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Re: NASCAR Bans the General Lee

Posted by SMAZ on Tue Feb 21 17:32:28 2012, in response to Re: NASCAR Bans the General Lee, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Feb 21 17:28:47 2012.

More Americans died fighting the treasonous scum from within who fought under that flag that those who died fighting Germans in WW2.

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Re: NASCAR Bans the General Lee

Posted by streetcarman1 on Tue Feb 21 17:32:55 2012, in response to Re: NASCAR Bans the General Lee, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Feb 21 17:28:47 2012.

BOTH WERE RACIST REGIMES....GET IT NOW? LATELY YOU'VE BECOME SO THICKHEADED ...A HAMMER WON'T DO ANYMORE!

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Re: NASCAR Bans the General Lee

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Feb 21 17:33:33 2012, in response to Re: NASCAR Bans the General Lee, posted by streetcarman1 on Tue Feb 21 17:31:43 2012.

No, I didn't miss the point at all, I know what is being "attempted" to be said. But the real POINT is, the Nazis and the swastika isn't remotely comparable.

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Re: NASCAR Bans the General Lee

Posted by streetcarman1 on Tue Feb 21 17:33:43 2012, in response to Re: NASCAR Bans the General Lee, posted by SMAZ on Tue Feb 21 17:32:28 2012.

He really fails to get it. It is so sad ...but that's his deal about life and history.

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Re: NASCAR Bans the General Lee

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Feb 21 17:34:16 2012, in response to Re: NASCAR Bans the General Lee, posted by SMAZ on Tue Feb 21 17:32:28 2012.

And again, the Swastika isn't remotely comparable to the Nazi's nor the Swastika.

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Re: NASCAR Bans the General Lee

Posted by streetcarman1 on Tue Feb 21 17:34:43 2012, in response to Re: NASCAR Bans the General Lee, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Feb 21 17:33:33 2012.

They were both symbols of racists regimes.....there....DO YOU UNDERSTAND!!!! OMG.......

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Re: NASCAR Bans the General Lee

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Feb 21 17:34:55 2012, in response to Re: NASCAR Bans the General Lee, posted by streetcarman1 on Tue Feb 21 17:32:55 2012.

Why don't you go back into whatever cave you were hiding in?
And no, the Nazis and the Swastika isn't even remotely comparable.

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Re: NASCAR Bans the General Lee

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Feb 21 17:35:54 2012, in response to Re: NASCAR Bans the General Lee, posted by streetcarman1 on Tue Feb 21 17:34:43 2012.

No, and take your medz.

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Re: NASCAR Bans the General Lee

Posted by streetcarman1 on Tue Feb 21 17:35:57 2012, in response to Re: NASCAR Bans the General Lee, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Feb 21 17:34:16 2012.

HOW ON EARTH DO YOU RUN THOSE CONCLUSIONS? TELL US! WHAT FACTORS? WHAT?

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Re: NASCAR Bans the General Lee

Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Feb 21 17:36:07 2012, in response to Re: NASCAR Bans the General Lee, posted by SMAZ on Tue Feb 21 17:32:28 2012.

and many who died in that war were white. so why do blacks own the issue?

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Re: NASCAR Bans the General Lee

Posted by streetcarman1 on Tue Feb 21 17:36:23 2012, in response to Re: NASCAR Bans the General Lee, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Feb 21 17:35:54 2012.

NO.....BE REAL....AND FESS UP TO THE FACTS.

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Re: NASCAR Bans the General Lee

Posted by streetcarman1 on Tue Feb 21 17:37:16 2012, in response to Re: NASCAR Bans the General Lee, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Feb 21 17:34:55 2012.

Both are symbols of hatred....do you not understand what hatred means?

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Re: NASCAR Bans the General Lee

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Feb 21 17:39:03 2012, in response to Re: NASCAR Bans the General Lee, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Feb 21 17:24:19 2012.

Not defending it, but perhaps some republicans might want to read some history and then look in a frigging mirror. :(

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