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Re: Everyone thinks Santorum did not say black |
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Posted by Edwards! on Thu Jan 5 15:25:37 2012, in response to Re: Everyone thinks Santorum did not say black, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Jan 5 14:44:05 2012. You are a LIAR FIRST CLASS..!DENYING the truth..and this is coming from "an honest man". |
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Re: ChrisR16/2730 still thinks Santorum did not say black |
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Posted by Edwards! on Thu Jan 5 15:33:03 2012, in response to Re: ChrisR16/2730 still thinks Santorum did not say black, posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Jan 5 14:48:45 2012. LOL! That the same thing I did!I played it for my family..and a few friends..both white AND black..AND ASIAN..! They ALL SAID the exact same thing..he said BLACK PEOPLE..! The very fact that this is attempted to be "COVERED UP" by the GOP wanna bees...is a abomination of the utmost regards...and sadly show us the entire length of how desperate little minded men get when they don't get there way. Cry me a fucking river, you slime ball bitches. |
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Posted by The Flxible Neofan on Thu Jan 5 15:37:52 2012, in response to Re: No one thinks Santorum did not say black, posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Jan 5 15:04:16 2012. This really is rather strange. The thing that gets me is that if he made a "mistake" by saying lies too early, why is there no significantly noticeable pause?Frankly, I don't think he said "black"...but he was in the process of doing so. But that's just my opinion. Regardless, I think this is an unfair assessment of the entire Republican Party. If they were so racist, Herman Cain wouldn't have been a prominent nominee for president of the U.S., nor would Condelezza Rice and Colin Powell have had such high positions in the last Administration. |
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Re: ChrisR16/2730 still thinks Santorum did not say black |
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Posted by Edwards! on Thu Jan 5 15:42:28 2012, in response to Re: ChrisR16/2730 still thinks Santorum did not say black, posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Jan 5 15:05:05 2012. which is what this is all about,right? |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Jan 5 16:03:30 2012, in response to Re: No one thinks Santorum did not say black, posted by Easy on Thu Jan 5 14:59:35 2012. Saying "black" is stupid, even if Santorum was racist. He's a savvy, experienced politician. Why the hell would he do something so numb skulled?I must also reiterate that I am no Santorum fan. If I were a Republican, I would not vote for him. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Thu Jan 5 16:07:48 2012, in response to Re: No one thinks Santorum did not say black, posted by The Flxible Neofan on Thu Jan 5 15:37:52 2012. Hmmm..how should I put this..?You think those people You described were asset to us? |
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Posted by The Flxible Neofan on Thu Jan 5 16:37:33 2012, in response to Re: No one thinks Santorum did not say black, posted by Edwards! on Thu Jan 5 16:07:48 2012. I'm not sure I understand what you mean by "were an asset to us". What would make them "an asset" to us? |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Thu Jan 5 16:54:35 2012, in response to Re: No one thinks Santorum did not say black, posted by The Flxible Neofan on Thu Jan 5 15:37:52 2012. "Regardless, I think this is an unfair assessment of the entire Republican Party."In recent history, the GOP hasn't really gone out of their way to support social programs to benefit minorities in bringing about positive changes. |
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Re: ChrisR16/2730 still thinks Santorum did not say black |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Thu Jan 5 16:56:11 2012, in response to Re: ChrisR16/2730 still thinks Santorum did not say black, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Jan 5 14:43:21 2012. "Then how come, according to Chris, there are people and articles on the internet that are questioning it?"They want to DENY the truth! don't you get it? why else. |
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Re: ChrisR16/2730 still thinks Santorum did not say black |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Thu Jan 5 16:57:08 2012, in response to Re: ChrisR16/2730 still thinks Santorum did not say black, posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Jan 5 14:48:45 2012. Well....TS? what is your reply now? do you deny as well what he said? |
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Re: No one thinks Santorum did not say black |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Thu Jan 5 16:59:49 2012, in response to Re: No one thinks Santorum did not say black, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Jan 5 16:03:30 2012. "Why the hell would he do something so numb skulled?"Since the room was filled with White voters....he felt is would be appealing to them if he did say BLACK...and therefore he DID...now get over it! |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jan 5 17:03:26 2012, in response to Re: No one thinks Santorum did not say black, posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Jan 5 14:52:07 2012. I have listened to this over and over, and can't make it out clearly. I don't know what he said, but I don't hear "black". It's at minute :40 that the comment comes up here. I have replayed it back countless times. And there's also a "skip" at that point for some reason, which I also can't figure out, the rest of the video doesn't skip: |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jan 5 17:06:43 2012, in response to Re: No one thinks Santorum did not say black, posted by streetcarman1 on Thu Jan 5 16:54:35 2012. But that still doesn't paint everyone in the same brush. I just posted the video again...from a site that comes in from the "he said black" in the video, so that this isn't said to be edited. I can not make out what he says, and "black" is not clear. It almost sounds like "blind" (which doesn't make sense either, but I can't hear black). I listened over and over, and still can't make it out. Also, there's a noticeable skip in the video when that is happening making it even more difficult. |
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Re: Another prominent lefty concedes Santorum did not say black |
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Posted by italianstallion on Thu Jan 5 17:27:16 2012, in response to Another prominent lefty concedes Santorum did not say black, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Jan 5 13:39:15 2012. LOL. Give it up.Funny how SANTORUM never denied it. 'Splain that, Chrissie. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Thu Jan 5 17:40:27 2012, in response to Re: No one thinks Santorum did not say black, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jan 5 17:03:26 2012. 0;39..he said BLACK PEOPLE..not BLAH..OR BLINK..or any other ridiculous nonsense all of the deniers are trying to come up with.This is BEYOND ridiculous now..If he made such assumptions[which ANYONE with common sense can hear],why doesn't he do the RIGHT THING? He wont..because he a POLITICIAN FIRST..and such a hotbed of controversy would further ruin his opportunity to GET VOTES from a EVEN MODERATE LEANER like myself. So he will NEVER admit saying such a thing,even if you have recorded proof. He'll take the 5TH..saying "I don't recall saying black.." Good strategic move on his part...but now that its gone viral..it wont help him much. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Thu Jan 5 17:45:37 2012, in response to Re: No one thinks Santorum did not say black, posted by Edwards! on Thu Jan 5 17:40:27 2012. 0;39..he said BLACK PEOPLE..not BLAH..OR BLINK..or any other ridiculous nonsense all of the deniers are trying to come up with.Lol, I can't believe that's being disputed. |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Thu Jan 5 17:49:27 2012, in response to Re: No one thinks Santorum did not say black, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jan 5 17:03:26 2012. I HEARD IT ON SUNDAY NIGHT WATCHING CBSNEW ON TV AND I HEARD IT AS PLAIN AS DAY WHEN HE SAID THE WORD BLACK! WE KNOW WHAT HE MEANT AND WHY HE SAID IT IN FRONT OF A CROWD OF WHITE VOTERS. |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Thu Jan 5 17:54:36 2012, in response to Re: No one thinks Santorum did not say black, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jan 5 17:06:43 2012. "But that still doesn't paint everyone in the same brush."So show us all where in the last 30 years have the Republicans gone out of their way to support social programs to promote positive results for minorities in America. |
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Re: Another joke from ChrisR16........... |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Thu Jan 5 17:59:55 2012, in response to Another prominent lefty concedes Santorum did not say black, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Jan 5 13:39:15 2012. Greg Sargent..is what? ROFL! give me a break. one person does not speak for all Liberals.....get it? |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Jan 5 18:11:17 2012, in response to Re: No one thinks Santorum did not say black, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Jan 5 16:03:30 2012. Because Santorum is a racist, mean-spirited, sociopathic numbskull. |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Jan 5 19:15:14 2012, in response to Re: No one thinks Santorum did not say black, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Jan 5 16:03:30 2012. If I were a Republican, I would not vote for him.But since you are not a Republican, you would be willing to vote for him? :) |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jan 5 19:51:49 2012, in response to Re: No one thinks Santorum did not say black, posted by Osmosis Jones on Thu Jan 5 17:45:37 2012. I haven't disputed it, nor defended him. I truly don't hear it clear. I can't imagine what he said, but it's not clear as a bell. And why does the video just skip right at that point? |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jan 5 19:53:08 2012, in response to Re: No one thinks Santorum did not say black, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jan 5 19:51:49 2012. Go to second 35-45 and just keep replaying it, it friggen skips, and I can't here what he is saying. |
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Re: No one thinks Santorum did not say black |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Jan 5 20:08:58 2012, in response to Re: No one thinks Santorum did not say black, posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Jan 5 18:11:17 2012. Perfectly reflecting party values too. :( |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Jan 5 20:46:45 2012, in response to Re: No one thinks Santorum did not say black, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jan 5 19:51:49 2012. No hops, skips, OR jumps. Santorum said, "black people". Contrary to the white conservative attempts to make people think they did not see and hear Santorum utter this, it's plainly evident, and no amount of washing, rinsing or spinning this FACT will change that. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jan 5 20:52:37 2012, in response to Re: No one thinks Santorum did not say black, posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Jan 5 20:46:45 2012. I listened again, I STILL have trouble hearing it. It skips at second 40 just like the video I posted, and It's not clearly "black". This said, I have no idea what he said, he may have said it. I haven't defended, nor not defended, but it's NOT clear. I have replayed second 35-45 over and over, and it's not clear. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jan 5 20:54:12 2012, in response to Re: No one thinks Santorum did not say black, posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Jan 5 20:46:45 2012. Dude, it skips there at second 37! No one else sees or hears this? Play second 35-45 over again and listen, it skips!Again, he may well have said it, but I CAN'T hear it clear in that video! |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Thu Jan 5 21:03:25 2012, in response to Re: No one thinks Santorum did not say black, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jan 5 20:54:12 2012. It does skip, but from what I heard, he does says "black people". |
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Re: Republican candidate Santorum out of touch with African-Americans. |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Thu Jan 5 21:12:15 2012, in response to Republican candidate Santorum out of touch with African-Americans., posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Jan 2 19:47:44 2012. Personally I don't know if he said black or not (personally it sounded like black) but to me it's a moot point because I don't think what he said was that bad. He said he "want's to give them the opportunity to earn their own money and provide for themselves and their family". To me that is not racist and makes a lot of sense whether he said black or not. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Thu Jan 5 21:17:04 2012, in response to Re: No one thinks Santorum did not say black, posted by Osmosis Jones on Thu Jan 5 21:03:25 2012. yeah it did..and and I don't know why he doesn't. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jan 5 21:17:33 2012, in response to Re: No one thinks Santorum did not say black, posted by Osmosis Jones on Thu Jan 5 21:03:25 2012. See, I told you it skips. JayZee says it doesn't skip, and posted that video. As for, "from what I heard"... From who? |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Thu Jan 5 21:19:29 2012, in response to Re: No one thinks Santorum did not say black, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jan 5 21:17:33 2012. From the video. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Jan 5 21:24:30 2012, in response to Re: No one thinks Santorum did not say black, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jan 5 20:54:12 2012. At 0:41, Santorum CLEARLY says "black people". Even if it did "skip" at 0:37, that's still four seconds before he says "black people". It's time to stop the spin, already. |
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Re: Republican candidate Santorum out of touch with African-Americans. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jan 5 21:29:07 2012, in response to Re: Republican candidate Santorum out of touch with African-Americans., posted by Jeff Rosen on Thu Jan 5 21:12:15 2012. I also can't tell what he said from the video, it's muffled, but assuming he did, I agree with you, what was so "racist"? |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Jan 5 21:29:43 2012, in response to Re: No one thinks Santorum did not say black, posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Jan 5 21:24:30 2012. I'm kinda stuck with a breaking story for infosecisland, so can't do this myself. There's GOT to be "pure" footage somewhere without the "burp" in it. I would automatically assume that any footage with an apparent "hit" or "edit" in it would be called into question even if the portion with the smoking gun is OK ... anyone with any spare time willing to try to find the raw so as to eliminate the spin cycle? |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Jan 5 21:33:10 2012, in response to Re: No one thinks Santorum did not say black, posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Jan 5 21:29:43 2012. I'm so annoyed over this nonsense, I thought about going to CBS' vault on W. 57th tomorrow after rehearsal, and looking for it. Short of that, I'm gonna look around for an "unexpurgated" version online... |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jan 5 21:38:45 2012, in response to Re: No one thinks Santorum did not say black, posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Jan 5 21:24:30 2012. GOTTCHA. It skips at 40 just when the phrase came up. You OBVIOUSLY didn't even attempt to listen for the skip at "37". |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jan 5 21:43:23 2012, in response to Re: No one thinks Santorum did not say black, posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Jan 5 21:29:43 2012. THANK you. GOOD post. If I hear it in an unedited video, it's one thing, but THAT particular feed has a burp in it right at the critical moment...either Santorum people covering it up, or someone on the other side blurring it into what they want to hear. But either way, all political nonsense aside, no one can tell me there isn't a burp right at the time he says that. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Jan 5 21:43:33 2012, in response to Re: No one thinks Santorum did not say black, posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Jan 5 21:33:10 2012. Any interruption in actuality is troublesome because it suggests tomfoolery. I saw the clip hot on CBS News the night they reported it and there was no "bump" in it. I heard it clear as day which is why I'm not even playing with these chumps. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Jan 5 21:44:08 2012, in response to Re: No one thinks Santorum did not say black, posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Jan 5 21:29:43 2012. Here at the very beginning of this video, it's VERY clear and unmistakable what Santorum uttered:Still gonna try to dig up the raw footage if I can... |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jan 5 21:44:32 2012, in response to Re: No one thinks Santorum did not say black, posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Jan 5 21:33:10 2012. It's not nonsense. I want to hear it without that burp. YOU first said there "was no burp" and it's as clear as bell. Well, it isn't, and I am not crazy, there's a burp right as he says it and it skips. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Jan 5 21:44:44 2012, in response to Re: No one thinks Santorum did not say black, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jan 5 21:38:45 2012. I don't care ... I'm busy with a major story on computer security ... Indian hackers got the source code for Symantec antivirus and are about to release it. In MY world, that's a lot more important than stupid republicans. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Jan 5 21:45:48 2012, in response to Re: No one thinks Santorum did not say black, posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Jan 5 21:43:33 2012. I'm wondering if the "bump" was somehow worked in there to create a smidgen of doubt about the entire clip's veracity. I've seen the clip played on the telly several times, too, and there was no "bump" there... |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Jan 5 21:47:08 2012, in response to Re: No one thinks Santorum did not say black, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jan 5 21:43:23 2012. Journalistic rules in my case. Once clarified, my NEXT story would be "who fucked with it and why?"Right now though, I'm on a far more critical story and I have to stick with that. I was hoping to peacefully write code tonight and not have to find my journo hat. :) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Jan 5 21:49:14 2012, in response to Re: No one thinks Santorum did not say black, posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Jan 5 21:44:08 2012. Actuality piece is clear from the start of the sentence ... sounds like an audio compressor bump to me and not an edit. I'll let you guys finish this one off though, I was already sold on what I heard with my own ears the other night. They didn't call me "ears" in audio engineering for all those years for missing things. :) |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Jan 5 21:50:11 2012, in response to Re: No one thinks Santorum did not say black, posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Jan 5 21:49:14 2012. :) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Jan 5 21:50:11 2012, in response to Re: No one thinks Santorum did not say black, posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Jan 5 21:45:48 2012. Like I just said, sound to me like an audio compressor "pumping" ... ask your techie types about "pumping" and audio compressors, they can confirm. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jan 5 21:53:27 2012, in response to Re: No one thinks Santorum did not say black, posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Jan 5 21:44:44 2012. I wasn't talking to you, but in any event, why does a post like that come up "like it really matters anyway", right when there's something fishy discovered.Again, he may well have said it, I never said he didn't, but it's NOT in that particular video, and it DEFINITELY skips in that video. Either someone on his side made it skip to cover up he said it, or someone on the other side made it skip to make it sound like he did, but "something" happened there. YOU of all people should realize that, as you talk about this sort of thing all the time. |
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Re: Republican candidate Santorum out of touch with African-Americans. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Thu Jan 5 21:56:39 2012, in response to Re: Republican candidate Santorum out of touch with African-Americans., posted by Jeff Rosen on Thu Jan 5 21:12:15 2012. obviously you dont...but lets look at the issue at had, what the implications are.He was speaking to a 99.9 percent white audience,with perhaps TWO persons of color there including one of the reporters.. Being a POLITICIAN looking for votes,he said what ever he thought they wanted to hear.. He stated he wants to make "blacks self sufficient,earning their own money,and providing for their family.." Meaning taking away funds from THOSE WHITE PEOPLE to give to those black people.. Is he trying to say that ALL Black are on the dole..that ALL are welfare recipients..that none of us work or have worked..and has depended on THEM? I UNDERSTAND WHAT he was TRYING TO SAY..but its HOW he said it that..the MEANING of his INTENT..That totally fucked it up for him...not taking into account how many people actually are on the system..and not mentioning that in THAT STATE ALONE..there are MORE white folks on the dole than there are Blacks Living there. So what was the reason HE chose to single out "black people" to make his point? Simple enough..he played upon THEIR FEARS...just like most of the GOP does.. Sure it makes "a lot of sense" to you..but does THAT make it right? |
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Re: Republican candidate Santorum out of touch with African-Americans. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Jan 5 21:57:12 2012, in response to Re: Republican candidate Santorum out of touch with African-Americans., posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jan 5 21:29:07 2012. The majority of welfare recipients are WHITE? Nah ... |
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