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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Thu Dec 22 21:18:11 2011, in response to Re: What is So Terrible About Anchovies?, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Dec 22 20:05:20 2011. Do anchovies have fins or scales? They are one of the few fish I haven't seen 'unprocessed'. |
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Posted by EastSideRider on Thu Dec 22 21:36:29 2011, in response to Re: What is So Terrible About Anchovies?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Dec 22 17:37:38 2011. Off topic, I JUST saw that episode two nights ago, lol. Atlan-ta :) |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Dec 22 22:10:59 2011, in response to Re: What is So Terrible About Anchovies?, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Dec 22 19:04:27 2011. I thought he was, it didn't make sense. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Dec 22 23:32:38 2011, in response to Re: What is So Terrible About Anchovies?, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Thu Dec 22 21:04:53 2011. Did you even notice the many responses? This is why you READ RESPONSES. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Dec 22 23:33:44 2011, in response to Re: What is So Terrible About Anchovies?, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Thu Dec 22 21:08:31 2011. It's Mitch45. Why are you listening to him? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Dec 22 23:34:26 2011, in response to Re: What is So Terrible About Anchovies?, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Thu Dec 22 21:18:11 2011. Aren't they served intact? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Dec 22 23:35:07 2011, in response to Re: What is So Terrible About Anchovies?, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Thu Dec 22 21:18:11 2011. Do anchovies have fins or scales?They have both.  |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Dec 23 01:17:10 2011, in response to Re: What is So Terrible About Anchovies?, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Dec 22 23:32:38 2011. Subchat police? What's the big deal? Kill me, I was on a phone and only looked at a few earlier. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Dec 23 01:17:59 2011, in response to Re: What is So Terrible About Anchovies?, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Dec 22 23:34:26 2011. They are completely shriveled and barely recognizable once on the pizza. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Dec 23 01:23:33 2011, in response to Re: What is So Terrible About Anchovies?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Dec 23 01:17:59 2011. You are going to tell me you can tell what they originally looked like on here?
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Dec 23 01:42:19 2011, in response to Re: What is So Terrible About Anchovies?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Dec 23 01:23:33 2011. Cool! They have salamander pizza down there now? :) |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Dec 23 04:18:13 2011, in response to Re: What is So Terrible About Anchovies?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Dec 23 01:23:33 2011. I've never had anchovy pizza but I've seen plain anchovies. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Fri Dec 23 05:13:52 2011, in response to Re: What is So Terrible About Anchovies?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Dec 23 01:23:33 2011. I friggin' love anchovies. Have been since I was a kid. That looks so fucking good right about now. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Dec 23 05:56:18 2011, in response to Re: What is So Terrible About Anchovies?, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Thu Dec 22 21:04:53 2011. "Treif" doesn't mean unclean. Anchovies are definitely a clean fish. Funny enough, the only references in the Bible that use that word have to do with not eating an animal that was "torn" (treifah) in the field, by predators. (Genesis 31:39, Exodus 22:31, Leviticus 7:24, 17:15, 22:8) |
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Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Fri Dec 23 06:40:35 2011, in response to Re: What is So Terrible About Anchovies?, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Dec 22 20:05:20 2011. Are you sure that's an either/or? |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Dec 23 07:54:24 2011, in response to Re: What is So Terrible About Anchovies?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Dec 23 01:42:19 2011. Down where? It's a google image. No idea where the pizza is. |
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Posted by Fred G on Fri Dec 23 08:22:13 2011, in response to What is So Terrible About Anchovies?, posted by Osmosis Jones on Thu Dec 22 17:34:23 2011. Anchovy-jalapeņo pizza was my beer drinkin pie.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Fred G on Fri Dec 23 08:25:37 2011, in response to What is So Terrible About Fruitcake?, posted by Mitch45 on Thu Dec 22 16:30:28 2011. Fruitcake is highly sugary and contains those candied fruits. It's an acquired taste that I didn't acquire. My sister and I send the same one to each other every year. My late uncle was an engineer for the A&P and used to present us with one every year (Jane Parker). Of course we had to eat some to be polite. I can point to moments like this when my bad behavior starts.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Fri Dec 23 08:34:44 2011, in response to Re: What is So Terrible About Anchovies?, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Thu Dec 22 21:08:31 2011. Maybe that fits into the whole mixing dairy and meat thing? I know fish aren't really meat, but....No; that would mean lox and cream cheese would also be prohibited. Fish is its own category; it can be mixed with dairy but not with meat. |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Fri Dec 23 08:36:38 2011, in response to Re: What is So Terrible About Anchovies?, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Dec 23 05:56:18 2011. "Treif" doesn't mean unclean. Anchovies are definitely a clean fish. Funny enough, the only references in the Bible that use that word have to do with not eating an animal that was "torn" (treifah) in the field, by predators.Of course those would be the only references, because that's what the word means. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Dec 23 09:13:26 2011, in response to Re: What is So Terrible About Anchovies?, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Fri Dec 23 08:36:38 2011. Thanks for clearing that up. "Treif" only means torn by predatory animals, then. |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Fri Dec 23 10:02:58 2011, in response to Re: What is So Terrible About Anchovies?, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Dec 22 20:05:20 2011. Um, I am pretty well versed in how kashrut is determined, thank you. I spent the better part of two decades in yeshiva.But my question remains - if anchovies are kosher, why do kosher pizzerias not offer them as a topping? |
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Posted by cortelyounext on Fri Dec 23 10:04:08 2011, in response to Re: What is So Terrible About Fruitcake?, posted by Fred G on Fri Dec 23 08:25:37 2011. Of course we had to eat some to be polite.That was considerate of you and your sister and here is an actual photograph of a Jane Parker Fruit Cake to better illustrate your point. It does not have any of the green fruit, and thanks.  |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Fri Dec 23 10:04:56 2011, in response to Re: What is So Terrible About Anchovies?, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Dec 22 23:33:44 2011. Why are you being Weinberg? |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Fri Dec 23 10:12:08 2011, in response to Re: What is So Terrible About Anchovies?, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Dec 23 05:56:18 2011. Wrong-o, Sparky. There are other restrictions as well.Lev. 11:3 and Deut 14:6 permit the consumption of animals (not fish, that's another category) that have split hooves and chew their cud. Both elements must be present. These animals must still be properly prepared before they can be consumed. Lev. 11:4 explicitly prohibits the consumption of any animals that do not have split hooves and do not chew their cud. They are unkosher animals no matter how they are prepared. An animal that is torn by predators is not kosher because it is considered to be ne'veilah, a dead body, that was not properly prepared for consumption. That is a different category of kashrut. |
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Posted by Fred G on Fri Dec 23 10:16:15 2011, in response to Re: What is So Terrible About Fruitcake?, posted by cortelyounext on Fri Dec 23 10:04:08 2011. at 1:20 on this clip, one can see the Fruit Cake I'm more fond of. your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Easy on Fri Dec 23 10:17:34 2011, in response to Re: What is So Terrible About Anchovies?, posted by Mitch45 on Fri Dec 23 10:02:58 2011. Most pizzerias don't offer anchovies. Most people hate them. |
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Posted by Fred G on Fri Dec 23 10:32:08 2011, in response to Re: What is So Terrible About Anchovies?, posted by Easy on Thu Dec 22 17:55:23 2011. And in Putanesca sauceyour pal, Fred |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Dec 23 10:33:33 2011, in response to Re: What is So Terrible About Anchovies?, posted by Mitch45 on Fri Dec 23 10:12:08 2011. That has nothing to do with the meaning of the word "treif". That has to do with clean versus unclean. And the words "kosher" and "kashrut" appear nowhere in Scripture. |
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Posted by tunnelrat on Fri Dec 23 10:33:58 2011, in response to Re: What is So Terrible About Anchovies?, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Dec 23 04:18:13 2011. I don`t like them because one tried to marry my sister. |
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Posted by cortelyounext on Fri Dec 23 10:34:15 2011, in response to Re: What is So Terrible About Fruitcake?, posted by Fred G on Fri Dec 23 10:16:15 2011. Merry Holiday to you and yours and thanks for clearing up the Fruit Cake conundrum, which means dilemma or quandary, with the timely clip. The Atlantic and Pacific Fruit |
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Posted by Fred G on Fri Dec 23 11:05:50 2011, in response to Re: What is So Terrible About Anchovies?, posted by Easy on Fri Dec 23 10:17:34 2011. Maybe out your way but around here, every single one does. It's a popular pizza at Lent.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Fri Dec 23 11:09:51 2011, in response to Re: What is So Terrible About Anchovies?, posted by Fred G on Fri Dec 23 11:05:50 2011. Indeed. Hence my question remains. If anchovies were 100% kosher, some of the more high-end kosher pizzerias would offer them as toppings. With 4 kids under the age of 10, I visit a lot of kosher pizzerias and I have never seen anchovies offered as a topping. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Dec 23 11:16:50 2011, in response to Re: What is So Terrible About Anchovies?, posted by Mitch45 on Fri Dec 23 10:02:58 2011. But my question remains - if anchovies are kosher, why do kosher pizzerias not offer them as a topping? Just because they aren't offered doesn't mean they aren't kosher, or that they couldn't. Um, I am pretty well versed in how kashrut is determined, thank you. I spent the better part of two decades in yeshiva. But then why did you put out the false claim that anchovies (apparently just like any fish of it's type) isn't kosher? There's nothing different about them from other "kosher" fish. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Dec 23 11:17:47 2011, in response to Re: What is So Terrible About Anchovies?, posted by Easy on Fri Dec 23 10:17:34 2011. I've never been to a pizza place that doesn't offer them. But it seems you mostly eat assemblyline chain restaurant pizza, and I don't think I have ever seen them at a chain pizza place. |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Fri Dec 23 11:19:08 2011, in response to Re: What is So Terrible About Anchovies?, posted by Mitch45 on Fri Dec 23 10:02:58 2011. But my question remains - if anchovies are kosher, why do kosher pizzerias not offer them as a topping?Sephardim and some hasidim don't mix fish and dairy based on a prohibition in Beit Yosef. |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Fri Dec 23 11:19:14 2011, in response to Re: What is So Terrible About Anchovies?, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Dec 23 10:33:33 2011. I see. I think we have a miscommunication about what "traif" means.The word "traif" means different things to different people. To me, a "traif" animal is (1) any animal or fish that is specifically delineated in the Torah as being so and (2) any kosher animal that is made traif by its not being prepared as per Jewish law. For example, my best friend in law school was Roman Catholic. His mother would always invite me for dinner and I always had to politely decline for kashrus reasons. One day, my friend told me that his mother decided to surprise me by visiting a glatt kosher butcher store in Kew Gardens Hills (where I grew up) and bought steaks, which she had duly prepared in her oven in her house in Garden City. I felt awful when I had to decline again because the kosher meat was prepared in a traif oven and therefore had become traif. And yes, it is true that the word "traif" does not appear in the Torah. "Traif" is actually a Yiddish word that evolved from the Hebrew word tarefa, meaning "carrion". A carrion is the carcass of a dead animal which is considered unkosher in the Torah. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Dec 23 11:19:30 2011, in response to Re: What is So Terrible About Anchovies?, posted by Fred G on Fri Dec 23 11:05:50 2011. Yes, that's what I just said too. I have NEVER seen a pizza place that doesn't offer them. I think Easy said he mostly eats at chain pizza places though, and I don't think the chains offer them. Chain pizza places are like chain burger joints, the same mediocre food, and not much diversion from what the chain sets. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Dec 23 11:20:57 2011, in response to Re: What is So Terrible About Anchovies?, posted by Mitch45 on Fri Dec 23 11:09:51 2011. Where have you proven that anchovies aren't kosher, aside from saying you haven't seen them at kosher pizza places. What makes anchovies different from other small fish that are kosher? |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Dec 23 11:23:54 2011, in response to Re: What is So Terrible About Anchovies?, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Fri Dec 23 11:19:08 2011. Then why did you correct my post where I suggested this possibility?http://www.subchat.com/otchat/read.asp?Id=890450 |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Fri Dec 23 11:34:06 2011, in response to Re: What is So Terrible About Anchovies?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Dec 23 11:23:54 2011. Then why did you correct my post where I suggested this possibility?Because it has nothing to do with meat. |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Fri Dec 23 11:51:33 2011, in response to Re: What is So Terrible About Anchovies?, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Fri Dec 23 11:19:08 2011. That is interesting. I guess that means no tuna fish sandwiches with coffee if there is milk in the coffee? |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Fri Dec 23 11:53:34 2011, in response to Re: What is So Terrible About Anchovies?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Dec 23 11:20:57 2011. I'm not saying that anchovies are not kosher. I did say that I wasn't aware that they are but I now stand corrected. But the question remains as to why kosher pizza shops don't offer them to people who have no problem mixing fish and dairy (like me). |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Fri Dec 23 12:15:20 2011, in response to Re: What is So Terrible About Anchovies?, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Fri Dec 23 11:34:06 2011. I Know that, I said that right in that post. I SAID like the meat/dairy thing. |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Fri Dec 23 12:17:28 2011, in response to Re: What is So Terrible About Anchovies?, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Fri Dec 23 12:15:20 2011. I SAID like the meat/dairy thing.You said it "fits into the whole mixing dairy and meat thing." I misunderstood. |
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Posted by Easy on Fri Dec 23 12:28:13 2011, in response to Re: What is So Terrible About Anchovies?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Dec 23 11:17:47 2011. You said earlier that you've been to Pizza Hut and they don't have them. I don't think that Papa Johns or Dominos do either. |
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Posted by Easy on Fri Dec 23 12:29:05 2011, in response to Re: What is So Terrible About Anchovies?, posted by Fred G on Fri Dec 23 11:05:50 2011. Even Dominos and Papa Johns? They don't list them on the menu and I know that my local Pizza Huts don't have them. |
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Posted by Fred G on Fri Dec 23 12:29:26 2011, in response to Re: What is So Terrible About Anchovies?, posted by Mitch45 on Fri Dec 23 11:09:51 2011. It's a good question. The closest thing I can think of the approaches that nice piquant snap on the tongue that anchovy brings is the caper, which must be kosher I'd presume. And who doesn't like that little snap of flavor, Jew or Gentile alike?your pal, Fred |
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Posted by SLRT on Fri Dec 23 12:30:22 2011, in response to What is So Terrible About Anchovies?, posted by Osmosis Jones on Thu Dec 22 17:34:23 2011. I think it has to do with anchovies' terrible personalities. I think it comes from defensiveness about people thinking they're just salted sardines. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Dec 23 12:48:23 2011, in response to Re: What is So Terrible About Anchovies?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Dec 23 01:17:10 2011. Come on dude, you listened to something MITCH45 said. That's amateur. |
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