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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Jul 22 18:37:06 2011 I think he's had enough. Prepare for default. Apparently the Dem plan is to default, then blame Republicans.http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20082240-503544.html |
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Posted by RockParkMan on Fri Jul 22 18:51:09 2011, in response to Boehner walks away, gives up on debt negotiations with Obama, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Jul 22 18:37:06 2011. Maybe then we can get Martial law and put you RAT BASTARD ASSHOLES in CAMPS. Today's Americans are too STUPID for their form of government. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Jul 22 18:56:34 2011, in response to Boehner walks away, gives up on debt negotiations with Obama, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Jul 22 18:37:06 2011. The GOP has to agree to some tax increases. Something. Not as drastic as what the Dems want, but something.(are you watching Sharpton on MSNBC discussing this? it's awesome). |
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Posted by orange blossom special on Fri Jul 22 18:58:15 2011, in response to Boehner walks away, gives up on debt negotiations with Obama, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Jul 22 18:37:06 2011. What do you suppose Obama will fund with the money he's going to steal and divert from Social Security and Military Pay?If I was Boehner, I'd sue for wasting my time and defamation. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Jul 22 19:01:33 2011, in response to Boehner walks away, gives up on debt negotiations with Obama, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Jul 22 18:37:06 2011. And ya know what? It's going to work. Congrats on blowing yourselves up. Would you like a spot of tea? |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Jul 22 19:02:08 2011, in response to Re: Boehner walks away, gives up on debt negotiations with Obama, posted by orange blossom special on Fri Jul 22 18:58:15 2011. My favorite quote in all this is, "GOP does not want America to be in the black because there's a black man in the White House". |
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Posted by orange blossom special on Fri Jul 22 19:07:00 2011, in response to Re: Boehner walks away, gives up on debt negotiations with Obama, posted by LuchAAA on Fri Jul 22 19:02:08 2011. I wish I had Soros money, I would have loved to have had a group or someone to listen and record all the talk radio quotes since 2007. There has been some doozies that need to be remembered. |
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Posted by RockParkMan on Fri Jul 22 19:13:09 2011, in response to Re: Boehner walks away, gives up on debt negotiations with Obama, posted by orange blossom special on Fri Jul 22 19:07:00 2011. I wish I had Soros' money too. I'd be the liberal Murdoch. |
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Posted by orange blossom special on Fri Jul 22 19:21:23 2011, in response to Re: Boehner walks away, gives up on debt negotiations with Obama, posted by RockParkMan on Fri Jul 22 19:13:09 2011. That's pretty bad. Murdoch has one channel, Soros has ALL the others! Reach for the stars lad! |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Jul 22 19:22:49 2011, in response to Boehner walks away, gives up on debt negotiations with Obama, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Jul 22 18:37:06 2011. Fucking Obama. He just spoke and once again talked about "radio show hosts". Kind of sad. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Jul 22 19:25:50 2011, in response to Re: Boehner walks away, gives up on debt negotiations with Obama, posted by LuchAAA on Fri Jul 22 18:56:34 2011. The GOP has to agree to some tax increasesWhy is that? Is it all-important to keep the entitlements going? |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Jul 22 19:30:36 2011, in response to Re: Boehner walks away, gives up on debt negotiations with Obama, posted by LuchAAA on Fri Jul 22 19:22:49 2011. Not half as sad as Wall Street on Monday. |
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Posted by ClearAspect on Fri Jul 22 19:31:59 2011, in response to Boehner walks away, gives up on debt negotiations with Obama, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Jul 22 18:37:06 2011. Prepare for default? It will be a violation of the constitution to go into default, thus Obama will use the nuke option and raise it using executive authority. The republicans will have suffered an embarrassing setback as Obama pulls out the leadership card and says "when republicans tried to intentionally hurt the economy I stepped in and stopped it" |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Jul 22 19:31:59 2011, in response to Re: Boehner walks away, gives up on debt negotiations with Obama, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Jul 22 19:25:50 2011. Well, I think people making $400,000 or more a year could afford to pay an addition 2%. 35% to 37% won't hurt that level of wealth.Trust me, I have problems with many entitlements. Especially foreign aid. I think Obama sounds like an idiot talking about "radio show hosts" in his statement after talks broke down. I think the GOP needs to understand that the top tax brackets could afford a little more. Especially people in the 15% cap gains bracket! |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Jul 22 19:32:00 2011, in response to Re: Boehner walks away, gives up on debt negotiations with Obama, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Jul 22 19:25:50 2011. Well, I think people making $400,000 or more a year could afford to pay an addition 2%. 35% to 37% won't hurt that level of wealth.Trust me, I have problems with many entitlements. Especially foreign aid. I think Obama sounds like an idiot talking about "radio show hosts" in his statement after talks broke down. I think the GOP needs to understand that the top tax brackets could afford a little more. Especially people in the 15% cap gains bracket! |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Jul 22 19:32:00 2011, in response to Re: Boehner walks away, gives up on debt negotiations with Obama, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Jul 22 19:25:50 2011. Well, I think people making $400,000 or more a year could afford to pay an addition 2%. 35% to 37% won't hurt that level of wealth.Trust me, I have problems with many entitlements. Especially foreign aid. I think Obama sounds like an idiot talking about "radio show hosts" in his statement after talks broke down. I think the GOP needs to understand that the top tax brackets could afford a little more. Especially people in the 15% cap gains bracket! |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Jul 22 19:32:51 2011, in response to Re: Boehner walks away, gives up on debt negotiations with Obama, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Jul 22 19:30:36 2011. I expect better of the President. He's still obsessed with talk radio. |
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Posted by ClearAspect on Fri Jul 22 19:33:36 2011, in response to Re: Boehner walks away, gives up on debt negotiations with Obama, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Jul 22 19:01:33 2011. They just want a repeat of the Clinton era. They tried playing Chicken with Clinton and lost, I guess they dont know how to try different strategies. Boehner is being pushed around by Tea Party politics and rookies who think they can bully. Pathetic leadership on Boehners part. |
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Posted by ClearAspect on Fri Jul 22 19:35:24 2011, in response to Re: Boehner walks away, gives up on debt negotiations with Obama, posted by LuchAAA on Fri Jul 22 19:32:51 2011. He was willing to rollback on medicare and other entitlement programs, republicans weren't willing to do their part. They weren't there to negotiate, only to direct orders. So much to the point that Senate republicans have gotten agitated over it. They're going to end up in the dirt like they did during the Clinton administration, they might have the authority but they wont have any respect. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Fri Jul 22 19:37:00 2011, in response to Re: Boehner walks away, gives up on debt negotiations with Obama, posted by LuchAAA on Fri Jul 22 19:32:51 2011. That's because he's a figurehead. When is he going to take charge of this situation? He's shown no leadership. He has no leadership skills to show. Nature abhors a vacuum. Someone needs to step up and fill the leadership vacuum. The Soros sock puppet is dazed and confused. All but the extremist liberals have to see him for what he is. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Jul 22 19:40:06 2011, in response to Re: Boehner walks away, gives up on debt negotiations with Obama, posted by LuchAAA on Fri Jul 22 18:56:34 2011. They have. And defense cuts. The GOP has already made three concessions to the Dems. The Dems have made none. |
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Posted by ClearAspect on Fri Jul 22 19:42:04 2011, in response to Re: Boehner walks away, gives up on debt negotiations with Obama, posted by Train Dude on Fri Jul 22 19:37:00 2011. so if obama uses executive authority and cites the constitution for the raising of the debt limit, what would you say? would you praise him for showing the balls to make a decision or chastise him for sidestepping congress? |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Jul 22 19:44:00 2011, in response to Re: Boehner walks away, gives up on debt negotiations with Obama, posted by ClearAspect on Fri Jul 22 19:42:04 2011. Heh. Not going to happen anyway. Constitutional lawyers have weighed in and nixed the 14th Amendment argument. Obammy can only sign a bill that comes out of the house. They're going home. Ah well ... 1995 all over again, followed by 1931. |
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Posted by ClearAspect on Fri Jul 22 19:44:21 2011, in response to Re: Boehner walks away, gives up on debt negotiations with Obama, posted by LuchAAA on Fri Jul 22 18:56:34 2011. This is from the artcle Chris linked...."House Republican leadership aides told CBS News that Boehner will work with the Senate leadership in an attempt to reach a deal that meets the GOP's two central requirements: That spending cuts are equal to or greater than debt limit increase and that there are no new taxes." Now you said "The GOP has to agree to some tax increases. Something. Not as drastic as what the Dems want, but something." I think you're bullshitting... want to try again? |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Jul 22 19:44:33 2011, in response to Re: Boehner walks away, gives up on debt negotiations with Obama, posted by LuchAAA on Fri Jul 22 19:32:51 2011. Might as well ... nothing else for him to do now. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Jul 22 19:45:02 2011, in response to Re: Boehner walks away, gives up on debt negotiations with Obama, posted by ClearAspect on Fri Jul 22 19:31:59 2011. Nope ... he can't. This one's on the republicans. |
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Posted by ClearAspect on Fri Jul 22 19:45:49 2011, in response to Re: Boehner walks away, gives up on debt negotiations with Obama, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Jul 22 19:44:00 2011. He could take it to the Supreme Court and see what they decide, but hey, let them repeat 1995 again. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Fri Jul 22 19:46:02 2011, in response to Re: Boehner walks away, gives up on debt negotiations with Obama, posted by ClearAspect on Fri Jul 22 19:42:04 2011. That would hardly be showing true leadership but I'd prefer some action rather him standing there with his presidential thumb up his presidential ass. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Jul 22 19:47:00 2011, in response to Re: Boehner walks away, gives up on debt negotiations with Obama, posted by ClearAspect on Fri Jul 22 19:33:36 2011. At this point, doesn't matter much. And this time, it's not a repeat, it will be entirely new territory. Sure hope republicans can speak Mandarin. They're going to need it with the new management. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Jul 22 19:47:46 2011, in response to Re: Boehner walks away, gives up on debt negotiations with Obama, posted by ClearAspect on Fri Jul 22 19:45:49 2011. He's already talked to them. 5-4 against. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Jul 22 19:50:47 2011, in response to Re: Boehner walks away, gives up on debt negotiations with Obama, posted by ClearAspect on Fri Jul 22 19:44:21 2011. How am I bullshitting?The Dems have said that they want to eliminate some tax write-offs and Obama was quoted as saying "anyone making over $250,000". I am asking for the top bracket to go up in 2013. I am a little pissed at both parties too. You are obsessed with attacking the GOP and that's all you look at. |
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Posted by ClearAspect on Fri Jul 22 19:51:01 2011, in response to Re: Boehner walks away, gives up on debt negotiations with Obama, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Jul 22 19:45:02 2011. He could try, even if he loses that he can still say he tried and further damage the republicans, even if it upsets them who cares at this point, he isn't upsetting them more than they are again. Obama is playing the Clinton playbook well, I guess Hillary might be whispering in his ear. |
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Posted by ClearAspect on Fri Jul 22 19:54:26 2011, in response to Re: Boehner walks away, gives up on debt negotiations with Obama, posted by Train Dude on Fri Jul 22 19:46:02 2011. He's trying, how about the GOP actually be willing to meet in the middle of the road and raise the taxes in exchange to the entitlement benefit reductions. Why should only the middle and lower class pay for this debt? Do you support the middle class getting wiped off the map? I guess you do, I guess you dont give a damn about the middle class, or the elderly or the children of this nation. You think tax cuts are going to save this nation. Keep thinking that, and then hope your children have a future. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Jul 22 19:55:32 2011, in response to Re: Boehner walks away, gives up on debt negotiations with Obama, posted by ClearAspect on Fri Jul 22 19:44:21 2011. btw- eliminating a write-off, such as mortgage interest on a second home is the same as raising taxes. I actually agree with this Dem proposal but you attack my anyway. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Jul 22 19:56:01 2011, in response to Re: Boehner walks away, gives up on debt negotiations with Obama, posted by ClearAspect on Fri Jul 22 19:31:59 2011. The president has absolutely no power to raise the debt limit. This proposed tactic was roundly criticized by legal scholars on both the left and right. If he tried it, the SCOTUS would react quite powerfully. |
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Posted by ClearAspect on Fri Jul 22 19:57:15 2011, in response to Re: Boehner walks away, gives up on debt negotiations with Obama, posted by LuchAAA on Fri Jul 22 19:50:47 2011. Well the GOP has said no new taxes, am I pissed off at both sides you damn right, because neither of them are thinking deep enough debt reductions over the long term. I wanted 6-8 trillion debt reduction over the next 10 years. I want this nations debt cut in 1/2 by 2025 and hopefully gone by 2035. But you can't do it by simply reducing benefits and not increasing taxes. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Jul 22 19:58:21 2011, in response to Re: Boehner walks away, gives up on debt negotiations with Obama, posted by ClearAspect on Fri Jul 22 19:54:26 2011. What do you think of Al Sharpton's assessment of this issue?"They don't want America to be in the black because the man in the white house is black". |
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Posted by ClearAspect on Fri Jul 22 19:58:55 2011, in response to Re: Boehner walks away, gives up on debt negotiations with Obama, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Jul 22 19:56:01 2011. Then let them react but at this point if he shows he tried every option, the American people will go right after republicans, and with a recent poll showing 70% of americans disapproving of how republicans are handling this situation, it only strengthens Obamas hand, and he'll look like a darling to Wall Street. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Jul 22 19:59:19 2011, in response to Re: Boehner walks away, gives up on debt negotiations with Obama, posted by ClearAspect on Fri Jul 22 19:51:01 2011. I'm not following your logic. The House passed a debt limit increase bill earlier this week. It's fairly popular with the masses. On what ground would the GOP be further damaged by going into default? The GOP has bent over backwards on almost every key issue except tax increases. Why can't Obama concede that he can't get a tax increase passed and look for alternatives? |
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Posted by RockParkMan on Fri Jul 22 19:59:48 2011, in response to Re: Boehner walks away, gives up on debt negotiations with Obama, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Jul 22 19:56:01 2011. Then we'll finally get all the Nazi "Justices" where they belong, a US government black hole from which there is no return. |
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Posted by ClearAspect on Fri Jul 22 20:00:02 2011, in response to Re: Boehner walks away, gives up on debt negotiations with Obama, posted by LuchAAA on Fri Jul 22 19:58:21 2011. I detest Al Shapton, his words are about as valuable as toilet paper after I've wiped my ass with it. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Jul 22 20:00:56 2011, in response to Re: Boehner walks away, gives up on debt negotiations with Obama, posted by ClearAspect on Fri Jul 22 19:58:55 2011. Said poll has been roundly rejected as having a massive bias. Others have shown the opposite to be true. |
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Posted by RockParkMan on Fri Jul 22 20:04:13 2011, in response to Re: Boehner walks away, gives up on debt negotiations with Obama, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Jul 22 20:00:56 2011. When the Government makes you disappear, I'll laugh. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Jul 22 20:04:59 2011, in response to Re: Boehner walks away, gives up on debt negotiations with Obama, posted by ClearAspect on Fri Jul 22 19:54:26 2011. The GOP has already meet the President halfway. They've agreed to permit the debt limit to be raised. They've agreed to defense spending cuts. They've agreed to nearly $800 billion in new revenues. The only thing they will not concede on is a tax increase. Can you name three concessions the President and the Democrats have made?Tax increases are a non-starter. Forget the debate for a second. If the President knows he can't get the GOP to budge on this issue, why is he not accepting reality and seeking alternatives? Where's the leadership? |
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Posted by ClearAspect on Fri Jul 22 20:05:27 2011, in response to Re: Boehner walks away, gives up on debt negotiations with Obama, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Jul 22 19:59:19 2011. Cause you need to increase revenue...period. You can't simple keep cutting away at the revenue stream then further decrease and decrease then you lose more and more funding. I know the GOP is out for smaller government, but its been proven again government oversight is absolutely necessary in some aspects. If banks could govern themselves properly, if giant comapnies could not try to brazenly break environmental laws then lobby to take away funding from the EPA. If corporate america were a tad bit honest then a smaller government would easily be justifiable, HOWEVER. When you get poisoned wells from fracking, a banking industry that sends out foreclosure notices or credit rating agencies that outsource to India there is a problem and thats when government oversight is needed. To fund 2 wars requires money, to upgrade the nations infrastructure requires money.If you cut and cut and cut, how do such things get funded. Are you willing to risk a smaller government and trust that whats being told to you by the banks and companies drilling by your well to tell you the truth? Are you willing to take cuts to your medicare or have to pay more and get a private provider? I'm asking you these questions because once you start cutting then say balance then you need to cut further due to inflation. |
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Posted by ClearAspect on Fri Jul 22 20:05:45 2011, in response to Re: Boehner walks away, gives up on debt negotiations with Obama, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Jul 22 20:00:56 2011. Proof? |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Jul 22 20:07:01 2011, in response to Re: Boehner walks away, gives up on debt negotiations with Obama, posted by ClearAspect on Fri Jul 22 19:57:15 2011. Keep in mind, when we talk about raising federal taxes on the rich, fed bracket of 35% going up to 39.5% plus local cities and states talking about another 3-5% increase and where're talking about an additional 8-10% on top of what the top bracket is already paying.That's close to 45% effective for the top earners. That's why Republicans fight increases. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Jul 22 20:08:48 2011, in response to Re: Boehner walks away, gives up on debt negotiations with Obama, posted by ClearAspect on Fri Jul 22 20:05:27 2011. That's BS. You don't have to increase taxes to pay out debt obligations. We bring in trillions more in revenues than we need to meet obligations every year. What the President wants is to spend more, plain and simple. |
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Posted by ClearAspect on Fri Jul 22 20:10:12 2011, in response to Re: Boehner walks away, gives up on debt negotiations with Obama, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Jul 22 20:04:59 2011. White House officials talked about raising the Medicare eligibility age, cutting Social Security by changing the inflation index, freezing domestic discretionary spending and offering to pre-empt the end of the Bush tax cuts in exchange for a broad changes to the tax code.Say what now? I've named more than 1... the ball is in your court |
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Posted by ClearAspect on Fri Jul 22 20:10:49 2011, in response to Re: Boehner walks away, gives up on debt negotiations with Obama, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Jul 22 20:08:48 2011. Proof? |
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