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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed May 4 05:42:22 2011 Story HereIf bin Laden Was Unarmed, Why Was He Shot? by: Michael Crowley A major question lingers unanswered at the center of this story: Why was bin Laden killed? Michael Scherer has reported that the Navy Seals who landed at Osama bin Laden’s safehouse were not given orders specifically to kill, but were on a “kill or capture” mission. That implies they were prepared to accept bin Laden’s surrender. It didn’t work out that way. But despite earlier reports to the contrary, including from White House counter-terror adviser John Brennan, Press Secretary Jay Carney told reporters Tuesday that bin Laden was in fact unarmed. (“Resistance does not require a firearm,” he said.) So, what happened? Obviously American forces kill terrorists and enemy fighters all the time with no due process; even as I write this, a Reaper drone is probably closing in on some doomed mullah in the Pakistani tribal areas. It’s also obvious that taking bin Laden into custody would be an utter nightmare for the Obama administration. Imagine the endless thorny questions about how to interrogate the al-Qaeda leader, whether and where to put him on trial–and how public such a trial should be, with all the attendant possibilities for bin Laden to make a Saddam-like spectacle of himself. No one wants to spend the next couple of years dealing with all that. But those are not supposed to be factors in a decision to kill someone during a raid like the one that ended in bin Laden’s death early Monday in Pakistan. Nor are they the ones cited in initial accounts about that operation. So, what happened? What exactly was bin Laden doing in the moments before he was gunned down? Did he threaten the SEALs who confronted him, perhaps by reaching for a gun? Did he have an object that looked like a weapon but wasn’t? Or did someone have an overwhelming human impulse to dispatch perhaps the most hated man in America with a quick “double-tap.” Was this, in other words, a combat death–or, in all practical terms, an execution? The White House needs to explain this in clear detail as soon as possible. Update: Was it a kill or capture mission in official name only? A friend reminds me of this passage from today’s Politico “Playbook“: |
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Posted by Edwards! on Wed May 4 05:45:01 2011, in response to If bin Laden Was Unarmed, Why Was He Shot?, posted by LuchAAA on Wed May 4 05:42:22 2011. i asked the same question..why didnt they capture him instead..to QUESTION him? |
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Posted by monorail on Wed May 4 06:01:19 2011, in response to If bin Laden Was Unarmed, Why Was He Shot?, posted by LuchAAA on Wed May 4 05:42:22 2011. to save the taxpayers, tons of money............ |
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Posted by r33/r36 mainline on Wed May 4 06:26:32 2011, in response to If bin Laden Was Unarmed, Why Was He Shot?, posted by LuchAAA on Wed May 4 05:42:22 2011. IIRC, didn't they put 25 mil on his head? Dude that shot him is probably is a millionaire now, or they somehow split that money up between the seals. |
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Posted by ClearAspect on Wed May 4 06:27:16 2011, in response to If bin Laden Was Unarmed, Why Was He Shot?, posted by LuchAAA on Wed May 4 05:42:22 2011. Who cares? Really... who cares? He's dead... thats all. |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Wed May 4 06:28:31 2011, in response to If bin Laden Was Unarmed, Why Was He Shot?, posted by LuchAAA on Wed May 4 05:42:22 2011. He was shot because he killed 3,000 innocent people. Period, game over. Next! |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed May 4 06:30:48 2011, in response to Re: If bin Laden Was Unarmed, Why Was He Shot?, posted by Mitch45 on Wed May 4 06:28:31 2011. But that's not good enough for Time magazine. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed May 4 06:36:26 2011, in response to If bin Laden Was Unarmed, Why Was He Shot?, posted by LuchAAA on Wed May 4 05:42:22 2011. LOL, Michael Crowley. Do yourself a favor and stop listening to TNR leftists. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed May 4 06:36:56 2011, in response to Re: If bin Laden Was Unarmed, Why Was He Shot?, posted by LuchAAA on Wed May 4 06:30:48 2011. Time Magazine's doing badly if they're hiring hacks from The New Republic. |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Wed May 4 06:37:59 2011, in response to Re: If bin Laden Was Unarmed, Why Was He Shot?, posted by LuchAAA on Wed May 4 06:30:48 2011. They're just trying to stir up a chulent and sell magazines. There hasn't been a man more in need of killing than Bin Laden since Hitler. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed May 4 06:41:26 2011, in response to Re: If bin Laden Was Unarmed, Why Was He Shot?, posted by Mitch45 on Wed May 4 06:37:59 2011. Stop worrying about it. Nobody has to defend against hot air from a former TNR "columnist". |
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Posted by Fred G on Wed May 4 06:52:20 2011, in response to If bin Laden Was Unarmed, Why Was He Shot?, posted by LuchAAA on Wed May 4 05:42:22 2011. He got shot probably for the same reason Dillinger got shot. Everybody got tired of fucking around with this shit.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Wed May 4 07:33:58 2011, in response to Re: If bin Laden Was Unarmed, Why Was He Shot?, posted by Edwards! on Wed May 4 05:45:01 2011. Here's the only question I'd ask him.How do you want to die? Here are your choices: 1) You can be burned alive, like some of the WTC victims; or 2) You can be thrown out of a 98th floor window, the same level as many other WTC victims jumped from. Pick one. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Wed May 4 07:54:32 2011, in response to If bin Laden Was Unarmed, Why Was He Shot?, posted by LuchAAA on Wed May 4 05:42:22 2011. If he were captured alive, would it be wise to announce it? We are preparing for a round of reprisal raids. If he were alive, those reprisal raids would not stop. If he were alive, his followers would drastically alter their operations for protection. No need, if he carried what he knows to the grave. Burial at sea, with no possibility of confirming his death, what better way to lull his followers into a sense of security. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed May 4 07:57:38 2011, in response to Re: If bin Laden Was Unarmed, Why Was He Shot?, posted by Edwards! on Wed May 4 05:45:01 2011. LOL. Ask Obama.No serious, who gives a crap. The piece of garbage deserved how he died. In fact, it wasn't nasty enough. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed May 4 07:58:28 2011, in response to Re: If bin Laden Was Unarmed, Why Was He Shot?, posted by ClearAspect on Wed May 4 06:27:16 2011. Yeah, but if Bush had been incharge, you would be all over this like the uberliberals like Brad Adams who is calling this homicide. |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Wed May 4 08:02:39 2011, in response to If bin Laden Was Unarmed, Why Was He Shot?, posted by LuchAAA on Wed May 4 05:42:22 2011. MAYBE BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T WANT TO BE KILLED THEMSELVES!!! Sheesh!!! It's people like this columnist that get GOOD cops & Good soldiers prosecuted like common criminals for doing their jobs. Good thing he wasn't writing during WWII. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed May 4 08:10:14 2011, in response to Re: If bin Laden Was Unarmed, Why Was He Shot?, posted by Jeff Rosen on Wed May 4 08:02:39 2011. Exactly. The uber left begins to surface. That asshole Brad Adams wants to charge homicide. It's insane. |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Wed May 4 08:11:26 2011, in response to Re: If bin Laden Was Unarmed, Why Was He Shot?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed May 4 07:58:28 2011. Yeah, but if Bush had been incharge, you would be all over this like the uberliberals like Brad Adams who is calling this homicide.Right, like all the liberals who were upset over the execution of Saddam Hussein. 
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed May 4 08:13:06 2011, in response to Re: If bin Laden Was Unarmed, Why Was He Shot?, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Wed May 4 08:11:26 2011. Plenty of uberliberals (and even moderate liberals) called that "assassination". |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Wed May 4 08:13:25 2011, in response to Re: If bin Laden Was Unarmed, Why Was He Shot?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed May 4 08:10:14 2011. Exactly. The uber left begins to surface.LuchAAA, "über-left"? |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Wed May 4 08:14:59 2011, in response to Re: If bin Laden Was Unarmed, Why Was He Shot?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed May 4 07:57:38 2011. In fact, it wasn't nasty enough.True. They should have crashed a plane into him. |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Wed May 4 08:59:37 2011, in response to Re: If bin Laden Was Unarmed, Why Was He Shot?, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Wed May 4 08:13:25 2011. LuchAAA, "über-left"?Exactly, the transparent troll just started the thread to be "cute". |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Wed May 4 09:01:55 2011, in response to Re: If bin Laden Was Unarmed, Why Was He Shot?, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Wed May 4 08:14:59 2011. NO 4 planes. But only if they were hijacked.....8-) |
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Posted by cortelyounext on Wed May 4 09:33:46 2011, in response to Re: If bin Laden Was Unarmed, Why Was He Shot?, posted by r33/r36 mainline on Wed May 4 06:26:32 2011. I am not a big fan of netspeak per se but in deference to those here that are...LOL @ your use of the term seals. |
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Posted by Railman718 on Wed May 4 09:39:07 2011, in response to If bin Laden Was Unarmed, Why Was He Shot?, posted by LuchAAA on Wed May 4 05:42:22 2011. Maybe just maybe they didnt want him to drop dime on people..Maybe what he "knows" could bring a lot of people down... Just playing devils advocate here... |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed May 4 09:44:41 2011, in response to Re: If bin Laden Was Unarmed, Why Was He Shot?, posted by Railman718 on Wed May 4 09:39:07 2011. I remember James Kallstrom, who headed the NYC FBI office back in 2001, saying something to the effect that nobody wanted Robert Morgenthau to haul OBL into Foley Square on thousands of murder charges.Methinks nobody wanted him to get on the stand and start talking. Just sayin'... |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Wed May 4 09:50:40 2011, in response to Re: If bin Laden Was Unarmed, Why Was He Shot?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed May 4 08:13:06 2011. Plenty of uberliberals (and even moderate liberals) called that "assassination".I don't remember any such insinuation at the time. I found one Democratic Underground thread (referencing an article on "Arabisto" that requires login to view) and one Christian nutball asserting he was murdered by the U.S., but those hardly qualify as either "plenty" or "moderate." |
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Posted by Dan on Wed May 4 12:31:20 2011, in response to Re: If bin Laden Was Unarmed, Why Was He Shot?, posted by Mitch45 on Wed May 4 06:28:31 2011. "He was shot because he killed 3,000 innocent people. Period, game over. Next!"EXACTLY! CASE CLOSED! GOODBYE! |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed May 4 12:33:30 2011, in response to Re: If bin Laden Was Unarmed, Why Was He Shot?, posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed May 4 09:44:41 2011. Very true. He was executed without trial.Outrage from Democrats in 3...2...1...oh, who the fuck am I kidding. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed May 4 12:41:03 2011, in response to Re: If bin Laden Was Unarmed, Why Was He Shot?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed May 4 12:33:30 2011. I am one of the few critical thinkers here. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Wed May 4 12:48:03 2011, in response to Re: If bin Laden Was Unarmed, Why Was He Shot?, posted by Jeff Rosen on Wed May 4 08:02:39 2011. Now the real left is starting to creep out of the woodwork. They are even objecting to people celebrating bin Laden's death.... |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Wed May 4 13:05:43 2011, in response to Re: If bin Laden Was Unarmed, Why Was He Shot?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed May 4 12:33:30 2011. Very true. He was executed without trial.Outrage from Democrats in 3...2...1... He wasn't "executed"; he was taken in a military operation. There's no "outrage from Democrats" every time an enemy combatant is killed on the front lines. Also, "very true" is redundant. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed May 4 13:09:18 2011, in response to Re: If bin Laden Was Unarmed, Why Was He Shot?, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Wed May 4 13:05:43 2011. I was being sarcastic about there being a reason to question the act here. I was being serious about libs taking offense if this act had not been ordered by a Democrat in the White House. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed May 4 14:59:47 2011, in response to Re: If bin Laden Was Unarmed, Why Was He Shot?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed May 4 12:33:30 2011. OBL wasn't "executed", he was given a chance to surrender, which he refused. "Unarmed", in this case, is a very relat8ive term...I'm wondering how many of OBL's men wwere present, with weapons, in the room where OBL was found. I cannot imagine OBL didn't have security men with him at all times.Again, I think OBL was shot fair and square, which is probably better than he deserved. None of the thousands of people he helped kill got any appeal or reprieve from that monster. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Wed May 4 15:03:45 2011, in response to If bin Laden Was Unarmed, Why Was He Shot?, posted by LuchAAA on Wed May 4 05:42:22 2011. I think the presumption of arms was enough. After all, he could have been wearing a shoe-bomb or had a grenade in his panties. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed May 4 15:08:51 2011, in response to Re: If bin Laden Was Unarmed, Why Was He Shot?, posted by ClearAspect on Wed May 4 06:27:16 2011. Those who would point out this was an illegal war crime, you know, the kind the left imagined Bush committed while president, would care.This is all about leftist hypocrisy, not the manner in which Bin Laden was dispatched. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Wed May 4 15:19:08 2011, in response to Re: If bin Laden Was Unarmed, Why Was He Shot?, posted by Train Dude on Wed May 4 15:03:45 2011. Even with that---take him in alive if you can. The bullets would have triggered the bomb unless it was a remote. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Wed May 4 15:24:29 2011, in response to Re: If bin Laden Was Unarmed, Why Was He Shot?, posted by AMoreira81 on Wed May 4 15:19:08 2011. Alive comes with too much baggage. We're far better off with him gone.___________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ By the way, Question: What were bin laden's last words to his wife before they tried to escape? Answer: "you get the kids, I'll feed the fish!" ____________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Wed May 4 15:32:52 2011, in response to Re: If bin Laden Was Unarmed, Why Was He Shot?, posted by Train Dude on Wed May 4 15:24:29 2011. Alive, however, denies OBL martyrdom...and he would die a forgotten man. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed May 4 17:17:35 2011, in response to Re: If bin Laden Was Unarmed, Why Was He Shot?, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Wed May 4 08:13:25 2011. How does posting a ridiculous Time article make me "uber-left"? |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Wed May 4 17:22:42 2011, in response to Re: If bin Laden Was Unarmed, Why Was He Shot?, posted by Train Dude on Wed May 4 15:24:29 2011. Rim shot!!! |
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Posted by RockParkMan on Wed May 4 18:05:59 2011, in response to Re: If bin Laden Was Unarmed, Why Was He Shot?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed May 4 07:57:38 2011. Maybe the whole thing is an Obama LIE. Now they can hug him and squeeze him at leisure. |
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Posted by TonyG on Wed May 4 20:16:24 2011, in response to If bin Laden Was Unarmed, Why Was He Shot?, posted by LuchAAA on Wed May 4 05:42:22 2011. It doesn't matter. He needed to be shot, and he was. Deal with it. |
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Posted by Dan Lawrence on Wed May 4 21:09:25 2011, in response to Re: If bin Laden Was Unarmed, Why Was He Shot?, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed May 4 12:41:03 2011. Believe that and I have a bridge to sell you, it has a lovely view of Brooklyn. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed May 4 21:18:30 2011, in response to Re: If bin Laden Was Unarmed, Why Was He Shot?, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Wed May 4 13:05:43 2011. There's no "outrage from Democrats" every time an enemy combatant is killed on the front lines. Also, "very true" is redundant.Now all of a sudden he's an "enemy combatant"? What happened to the "What uniform does he wear", "what army does he belong to", "when did Congress Declare war" nonsensical excuses that were used for 8 years? |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed May 4 21:19:54 2011, in response to Re: If bin Laden Was Unarmed, Why Was He Shot?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed May 4 13:09:18 2011. Should have bookmarked all the posts when we were having that thread on the trials in NYC, when all the leftists were proclaiming that there should be a civilian trial, as "these terrorists aren't part of a military" or a country we are at war with.... |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed May 4 21:20:40 2011, in response to Re: If bin Laden Was Unarmed, Why Was He Shot?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed May 4 21:18:30 2011. Well gloriosky ... isn't that what Bush labeled all of them? |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed May 4 21:21:11 2011, in response to Re: If bin Laden Was Unarmed, Why Was He Shot?, posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed May 4 14:59:47 2011. I agree with you, however, if this was Republican President, we would hear all the bile that we heard when they wanted to hold civilian trials for the other terrorists in NYC.... |
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Posted by Fred G on Wed May 4 21:27:24 2011, in response to Re: If bin Laden Was Unarmed, Why Was He Shot?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed May 4 21:19:54 2011. Or the ones where you guys said they WEREN'T military and not beneficiaries of the Geneva Convention. touchéyour pal, Fred |
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