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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Apr 27 13:40:15 2011, in response to Re: Hey, Luch...Obama Releases Long-Form Birth Certificate, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Apr 27 13:37:44 2011. Again, why was it necessary for Obama to release his "long form" at all, since the "short form" is legally equivalent? YOU are the one that won't let it go. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Apr 27 13:43:56 2011, in response to Re: Hey, Luch...Obama Releases Long-Form Birth Certificate, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Apr 27 13:39:32 2011. How, then was Obama able to graduate Magna Cum Laude, which requires a cumulative GPA of 3.8 or better?I'm sick of this "black tax" nonsense, wherein high-achieving blacks have everything about them called into question, as opposed to similarly high-achieving whites. It seems that blacks who succeed must jump through hoops no one else does, and "verify" their grades, credentials, or even birthplaces, to justify their achievements. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Apr 27 13:45:06 2011, in response to Re: Afterbirthers demand Obama release his long form placenta, posted by Mitch45 on Wed Apr 27 13:25:34 2011. Well, it is, technically . . . |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Apr 27 13:45:34 2011, in response to Re: Hey, Luch...Obama Releases Long-Form Birth Certificate, posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Apr 27 13:38:19 2011. It does, though the problem is the wording in the Constitution. There's a difference between the term "native born" and "naturally born", something the hardcore birthers are still clinging to. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Apr 27 13:48:56 2011, in response to Re: Hey, Luch...Obama Releases Long-Form Birth Certificate, posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Apr 27 13:40:15 2011. LOL!You've resorted to lying. Most on MY side of the aisle only demanded he do what he did today, because we KNEW he was uttering bullshit when claiming he couldn't. It isn't my side not letting this go. We were never obsessed over it. It was the left who was obsessed over it (specifically relating to imagined right wing beliefs). I implore you again to stop spinning. Pretty soon you will dig yourself a hole you cannot ever get out of. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Apr 27 13:53:06 2011, in response to Re: Hey, Luch...Obama Releases Long-Form Birth Certificate, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Apr 27 13:48:56 2011. What am I "lying" about? A "short form" birth certificate is the legal equivalent of the long one. That's why you get a "short form" in lieu of the "long form" if you lose your original in most states. |
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Posted by Easy on Wed Apr 27 13:57:49 2011, in response to Re: Hey, Luch...Obama Releases Long-Form Birth Certificate, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Apr 27 13:48:56 2011. Speaking of lying, when did Obama claim that he "couldn't" release it? |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Apr 27 14:16:15 2011, in response to Re: Hey, Luch...Obama Releases Long-Form Birth Certificate, posted by Easy on Wed Apr 27 13:57:49 2011. Obama never addressed the issue directly....until today. His supporters are the ones making the claim....and those are easily available with a simple Google search. |
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Posted by Easy on Wed Apr 27 14:17:56 2011, in response to Re: Hey, Luch...Obama Releases Long-Form Birth Certificate, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Apr 27 14:16:15 2011. Ok but that's not what you wrote. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Wed Apr 27 14:18:48 2011, in response to Re: Hey, Luch...Obama Releases Long-Form Birth Certificate, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Apr 27 12:24:22 2011. We all knew that orange blossom special is a whackjob. I mean he killed the guy who used to post under that name.HAHA!! |
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Posted by SMAZ on Wed Apr 27 14:31:56 2011, in response to Re: Hey, Luch...Obama Releases Long-Form Birth Certificate, posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Apr 27 13:40:15 2011. You will soon find out why he released this now.It's gonna be awesome. It's not for the reason everybody is thinking. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Wed Apr 27 14:35:46 2011, in response to Re: Hey, Luch...Obama Releases Long-Form Birth Certificate, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Apr 27 13:45:34 2011. No there is no problem in the wording of the Constitution.This has been long addressed by Congress through federal law and by the courts. It's why John McCain and George Romney were able to run for President even though they were born abroad. And for the record, George Romney had several mommies. |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Wed Apr 27 14:47:10 2011, in response to Re: Hey, Luch...Obama Releases Long-Form Birth Certificate, posted by Easy on Wed Apr 27 10:03:50 2011. IAWTP |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Apr 27 14:48:08 2011, in response to Re: Hey, Luch...Obama Releases Long-Form Birth Certificate, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Apr 27 14:16:15 2011. Who ever made a statement about Hawaii rules other than Hawaii officials?When I asked NYC for a copy of my birth certificate, all they gave me is the machine printed version. So if Gov Brewer had signed the AZ law, Obama would have been able to run for president there, but I still wouldn't have been able to. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Apr 27 14:55:40 2011, in response to Re: Hey, Luch...Obama Releases Long-Form Birth Certificate, posted by Easy on Wed Apr 27 14:17:56 2011. Now it's cleared up. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Apr 27 14:58:27 2011, in response to Re: Hey, Luch...Obama Releases Long-Form Birth Certificate, posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Apr 27 13:40:15 2011. Again, this isn't about "legality". Until recently few people actually thought Obama was not born where he claimed he was (HI). This was about Obama's refusal to do what he did today, release the certificate of live birth, something he had the power to do from the very first moment this controversy began, something his supporters claimed he could NOT do legally.Why did he/they do this? |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Apr 27 15:06:20 2011, in response to Re: Hey, Luch...Obama Releases Long-Form Birth Certificate, posted by SMAZ on Wed Apr 27 14:35:46 2011. Not really, because we haven't had a President who has not had two naturalized citizen parents in a LONG time. Obama's father was a student and a citizen of Kenya (something the short form certificate never mentions, go here to see the short form he released years ago and the one he released this morning).Again, the question of Obama's eligibility for the the presidency was never much in doubt. Most on the right accepted that he was eligible. They took issue as to why Obama allowed the controversy to simmer when he had the power to END it years ago. THAT is the issue. It's pointless to argue over something most of us always agreed upon: Obama was eligible to be POTUS. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Apr 27 15:08:52 2011, in response to Re: Hey, Luch...Obama Releases Long-Form Birth Certificate, posted by AlM on Wed Apr 27 14:48:08 2011. What you got was what Obama released today. You got what McCain released immediately after people began to question HIS eligibility due to his birth in the Panama Canal Zone. Once again, this isn't about Obama's eligibility to be president, it's about HIS cynical exploitation of an issue for personal political gain. |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Apr 27 15:10:01 2011, in response to Re: Hey, Luch...Obama Releases Long-Form Birth Certificate, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Apr 27 15:08:52 2011. No, NYC has never given me the form that Obama released today. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Apr 27 15:12:57 2011, in response to Re: Hey, Luch...Obama Releases Long-Form Birth Certificate, posted by AlM on Wed Apr 27 15:10:01 2011. Shenanigans. I call them. |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Apr 27 15:15:28 2011, in response to Re: Hey, Luch...Obama Releases Long-Form Birth Certificate, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Apr 27 14:58:27 2011. Until recently few people actually thought Obama was not born where he claimed he was (HI).Just 45% of Republicans. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Apr 27 15:17:31 2011, in response to Re: Hey, Luch...Obama Releases Long-Form Birth Certificate, posted by AlM on Wed Apr 27 15:15:28 2011. Nope, 45% had suspicions. Few actually accepted as fact that he was born outside the United States.A significant chunk of independents also had doubts. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Apr 27 15:19:51 2011, in response to Hey, Luch...Obama Releases Long-Form Birth Certificate, posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Apr 27 09:26:28 2011. "Carnival barkers." Heh. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Wed Apr 27 15:23:20 2011, in response to Re: Hey, Luch...Obama Releases Long-Form Birth Certificate, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Apr 27 15:06:20 2011. Not really, because we haven't had a President who has not had two naturalized citizen parents in a LONG time.It doesn't matter if it was not in a long time. Federal law has put the natural-born Clause into law and those laws have been upheld when former presidential candidates who really were born abroad ran for the presidency. McCain's case isn't even the best one since he was born in an American Naval hospital in an American enclave. George Romney is the best example. He was born in Mexico, issued a Mexican birth certificate and had several defacto mothers, some who were Mexican. His biological parents (Americans) grew up in Mexico themselves and married there. He still got to run in 1968. Federal law doesn't require both parents to be citizens. It only requires one. In fact it can even be just a grandparent if the kid was born in the 90's or later. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Apr 27 15:42:09 2011, in response to Hey, Luch...Obama Releases Long-Form Birth Certificate, posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Apr 27 09:26:28 2011. Shouldn't you be in Maryland protesting McDonald's, or is that not a "hate crime" to you? Funny how selective your outrage is.Jesse Jackson is wrong. Seeking records on Obama is no different than those who wanted to see more records about Bush or any other previous President. Scrutiny of a President did not begin with Barack Hussein Obama. Why are you calling me out? I only said that his birth name could be Barry. I never questioned his eligibility or said that he was born in Kenya. I always stated that he was born in Hawaii. |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Apr 27 15:45:26 2011, in response to Re: Hey, Luch...Obama Releases Long-Form Birth Certificate, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Apr 27 15:17:31 2011. Ha."Among Republicans, for instance, 33 percent said they thought Mr. Obama was born in America, while 45 percent said his birth occurred in another country." http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/22/us/politics/22birthers.html?scp=1&sq=obama%20birth%20CBS%20poll&st=cse |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Apr 27 15:59:07 2011, in response to Re: Hey, Luch...Obama Releases Long-Form Birth Certificate, posted by AlM on Wed Apr 27 15:10:01 2011. No, NYC has never given me the form that Obama released today.If you become President, ya think maybe, just maybe, NYC might give it to you? |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Apr 27 16:06:09 2011, in response to Re: Hey, Luch...Obama Releases Long-Form Birth Certificate, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Apr 27 15:08:52 2011. So Obama started all this? Heh. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Apr 27 16:06:26 2011, in response to Re: Hey, Luch...Obama Releases Long-Form Birth Certificate, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Apr 27 15:42:09 2011. You have questioned, on numerous occasions, why Obama hadn't released his "long form" birth certificate.BTW, no President, not even Richard Milhous Nixon, ever had his birth records or academic records called into question in the national media. |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Apr 27 16:06:36 2011, in response to Re: Hey, Luch...Obama Releases Long-Form Birth Certificate, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Apr 27 15:59:07 2011. Probably. But meanwhile AZ wouldn't let me run. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Wed Apr 27 16:20:37 2011, in response to Hey, Luch...Obama Releases Long-Form Birth Certificate, posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Apr 27 09:26:28 2011. That birth certificate clearly states that Barack Hussein Obama was born in Kenya, East Africa.The Birthers were right all along. |
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Posted by johnl on Wed Apr 27 16:21:31 2011, in response to Re: Hey, Luch...Obama Releases Long-Form Birth Certificate, posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Apr 27 16:06:26 2011. …or academic records…Shrub? |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Apr 27 16:23:26 2011, in response to Re: Hey, Luch...Obama Releases Long-Form Birth Certificate, posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Apr 27 16:06:26 2011. Bush's academic records were constantly called into question.Much of the focus on Obama's birth records come from statements he made in his own books. Yup. He wrote two books about his life by the age of 42 or so. Yes, I suggested that Obama might have been born "Barry" but never questioned his eligibility. |
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Posted by ClearAspect on Wed Apr 27 16:38:48 2011, in response to Re: Hey, Luch...Obama Releases Long-Form Birth Certificate, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Apr 27 16:23:26 2011. No they questioned how the hell he was able to get into Harvard with a C average... not whether he went there |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Apr 27 16:54:42 2011, in response to Re: Hey, Luch...Obama Releases Long-Form Birth Certificate, posted by SMAZ on Wed Apr 27 16:20:37 2011. Yes, they were, weren't thay? LOL! |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Apr 27 16:55:54 2011, in response to Re: Hey, Luch...Obama Releases Long-Form Birth Certificate, posted by johnl on Wed Apr 27 16:21:31 2011. Shrub's eligibility to enter Harvard or Yale, or attendance at either, was never called into question. |
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Posted by johnl on Wed Apr 27 17:00:51 2011, in response to Re: Hey, Luch...Obama Releases Long-Form Birth Certificate, posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Apr 27 16:55:54 2011. You can thank the legacy system for that. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Apr 27 17:09:46 2011, in response to Re: Hey, Luch...Obama Releases Long-Form Birth Certificate, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Apr 27 16:23:26 2011. You've brought up Obama's birth records many, many times. See here, here, where you say all politicians should have to show a long form, and here you say Obama has "something to hide" about his birth records. Just a few examples. |
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Posted by orange blossom special on Wed Apr 27 17:12:16 2011, in response to Re: Hey, Luch...Obama Releases Long-Form Birth Certificate, posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Apr 27 11:21:08 2011. Actually one wasn't a mistake as the answer was the truth to the best of her knowledge at the time of signing. Even though she found out it's not right much later.But at least he'll get his birthday right next time he's asked. I thought he was born in Selma. lol |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Wed Apr 27 17:15:10 2011, in response to Re: Hey, Luch...Obama Releases Long-Form Birth Certificate, posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Apr 27 16:06:26 2011. BTW, no President, not even Richard Milhous Nixon, ever had his birth records or academic records called into question in the national media.Chester A. Arthur was alleged to have been born in Canada. You can probably find more examples if you go back far enough and loosely define "national media." There have also been several Presidential candidate whose eligibility has come into question; John McCain and George Romney immediately come to mind. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Apr 27 17:19:08 2011, in response to Re: Hey, Luch...Obama Releases Long-Form Birth Certificate, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Wed Apr 27 17:15:10 2011. Arthur was a lifelong New Yorker, IINM, and the "Canada" allegation died down very quickly. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Apr 27 17:40:26 2011, in response to Re: Hey, Luch...Obama Releases Long-Form Birth Certificate, posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Apr 27 11:21:08 2011. Gotta love it ... he dances for them and they're still throwing tomatoes. Ah well ... Gump was right. :) |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Apr 27 18:21:26 2011, in response to Re: Hey, Luch...Obama Releases Long-Form Birth Certificate, posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Apr 27 17:09:46 2011. 2008 was a long time ago.Yes, I see nothing wrong with asking Obama to release his long-form. It's politics. This is nothing new. He finally did. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Apr 27 18:23:14 2011, in response to Re: Hey, Luch...Obama Releases Long-Form Birth Certificate, posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Apr 27 16:55:54 2011. Bush was always called into question. His school records were leaked.I have no problem with people asking for Bush's school records, and no problem asking for Obama's school records. |
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Posted by Easy on Wed Apr 27 18:26:07 2011, in response to Re: Hey, Luch...Obama Releases Long-Form Birth Certificate, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Apr 27 16:23:26 2011. It's hardly the same thing. Over 50% of Republicans were either doubting or were not sure whether he was even eligible to be President. 1/3 said that would not vote for someone that wasn't a birther. Call it racism, call it xenophobia, call it what you will but it's unprecedented and it's disgusting. |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Wed Apr 27 18:26:19 2011, in response to Re: Hey, Luch...Obama Releases Long-Form Birth Certificate, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Apr 27 18:23:14 2011. "I have no problem with people asking for Bush's school records, and no problem asking for Obama's school records."Can we ask for Luchie's school records?  |
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Posted by Easy on Wed Apr 27 18:29:10 2011, in response to Re: Hey, Luch...Obama Releases Long-Form Birth Certificate, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Apr 27 18:23:14 2011. Very few people were asking for Bush's school records, especially as they were leaked early on. Maybe you mean people asking about his military records, which were eventually released. |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Wed Apr 27 18:29:15 2011, in response to Re: Hey, Luch...Obama Releases Long-Form Birth Certificate, posted by orange blossom special on Wed Apr 27 17:12:16 2011. "I thought he was born in Selma. lol " |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Apr 27 18:30:33 2011, in response to Re: Hey, Luch...Obama Releases Long-Form Birth Certificate, posted by Easy on Wed Apr 27 18:26:07 2011. Call it racism, call it xenophobia, call it what you will but it's unprecedented and it's disgusting.Call it politics. Bush had to deal with people demanding his school records until they were finally "leaked" to the media and published by the nytimes. And don't forget the forged military records used against Bush during his 2004 campaign. Now that was unprecedented and disgusting. Face it, your playing the race card when defending Obama, but ignoring the fact that politics is a dirty game and Bush went through a lot of scrutiny too. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Apr 27 18:32:39 2011, in response to Re: Hey, Luch...Obama Releases Long-Form Birth Certificate, posted by Easy on Wed Apr 27 18:29:10 2011. Bush's military records were forged. Remember that scandal?Nothing wrong with asking for Obama's school records just like there's nothing wrong with asking for Bush's. It's all the same. |
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