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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Wed Nov 9 04:04:53 2005 WE WHIPPED Arnold Schwarzeneggers ASS big time hereUnion dues measure only one with chance in governor's gamble WE BEAT HIM UP ON ALL PROPOSITIONS WE WHIPPED HIM GOOD! SACRAMENTO - After months of bitter attacks and abysmally low approval ratings, Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger's bold effort to reform state government appeared to have been soundly rejected by California voters. Based on late returns Tuesday night, the four Schwarzenegger-backed measures were all trailing, although one - Proposition 75 - was still close. Proposition 73, the parental notification measure for minors getting abortions, also was trailing with two-thirds of the precincts reporting. Schwarzenegger had gambled heavily on the special election, pinning his political fortunes closely to the success of the four measures, which he called a cornerstone of his efforts to reform state government as he seeks a second gubernatorial term next year. Faced with rejection at the polls Tuesday night, Schwarzenegger made a tempered speech to supporters at the Beverly Hilton Hotel, acknowledging the unfavorable results and thanking all Californians for voting. "I even want to thank all the people who were so passionately against us. I guess I didn't do a good enough job to convince them otherwise." And he also reached out to Democrats in an effort to drop some of the bitter partisanship of the campaign. "Tomorrow is a new day and we have to begin to work together," the governor said. "The people of California are tired of all the fighting. They are tired of all the negative TV ads. We have a lot to do." His best hope appeared to be Proposition 75, which makes it tougher for public-employee unions to use members' dues for political purposes. Early in the evening the measure appeared ahead in the polls, though by late night it had lost ground and was trailing. Proposition 74, which makes teachers wait longer to earn tenure, was trailing but still within striking distance late Tuesday. The two Schwarzenegger measures that appeared certain to lose were Proposition 76, which would put new restrictions on the state budget, and Proposition 77, which would change the way the state draws boundaries for legislative and congressional districts. Schwarzenegger said he had spoken recently with Senate President Pro Tem Don Perata, D-Oakland, and Assembly Speaker Fabian Nuez, D-Los Angeles, about working together. He plans to meet with them and Republican leaders Thursday in a "Big Five" meeting in Sacramento shortly before he leaves for a trade mission to China. When he returns, he said, he will work with Democrats on a new agenda to meet the state's infrastructure needs, creating more jobs and hiring more teachers, nurses, police officers and firefighters. Schwarzenegger, who spoke for eight minutes, shook some supporters' hands and left quickly. Afterward, about 400 supporters who had gathered began pouring out of the hotel by 10:30 p.m. Duf Sundheim, state Republican Party chairman, said he believed that over time people will see the policy issues will still matter. "Given the amount of financial support on both sides, and the turnout, I think people are still willing to go the initiative route. These problems don't go away," he said. About 400 to 500 opponents of the reform slate gathered at the Biltmore Hotel in downtown Los Angeles, some wearing T-shirts reading "Terminate the Terminator," as excitement grew as the evening wore on and it became clear many of the governor's measures appeared headed for defeat. "Arnold's message was not the message for the people of California," said Guy Johnson, business manager for Studio Utility Employees, Local 724, in Burbank. "We want him back in Hollywood, where we work." Officials with the Alliance for a Better California, the union-backed group opposing Schwarzenegger, remained optimistic that all of the governor's measures would fail when full results were in, and said the rejected measures reflect voters' disapproval of the governor's agenda. "I think what you saw today was the governor picked a fight with the people of the state of California and they fought back," said Roger Salazar, a political consultant working with the Alliance. "They showed him if you're going to pick on us and call us names, we're not going to stand for it." Schwarzenegger had called the special election in an effort to overhaul California state government - from the way the budget is drafted to the drawing of legislative boundaries. He portrayed the drive as a continuation of the reformist spirit of the 2003 recall that propelled him into office. But Democrats and unions put up fierce resistance to the governor's reform agenda, spending more than $100 million to defeat all four measures, while Schwarzenegger's California Recovery Team spent about $35 million. Polls leading up to election day indicated the unions were likely to succeed, although Schwarzenegger continued to campaign furiously across the state up to the last minute in an effort to move still-undecided voters. Barbara O'Connor, director of the Institute for the Study of Politics and the Media at California State University, Sacramento, said if even one of his measures passes when final results are in, he could declare victory because of how badly he was outspent by the unions and because of polls predicting none would pass. "If the governor wins any, having been outspent 3-1, he can say, See, I told you so." "He can say, The entrenched interests outspent me and look how close they are. We came back from all these polls that said we had no chance in hell." Schwarzenegger's reform agenda consisted of four measures: Proposition 74, which would increase the time for public-school teachers to receive tenure to five years, up from the current two years. Proposition 75, which would require public-employee unions to obtain prior written annual consent from members before using their dues for political purposes. Proposition 76, which would make major changes to the state budgeting process, including limiting growth in spending and giving the governor new authority to make midyear cuts in terms of fiscal crisis. Proposition 77, which would create a panel of three retired judges to draw boundary lines for congressional, state legislative and Board of Equalization seats. Schwarzenegger had effectively used the threat of a ballot initiative as a negotiating tool with the Democratic Legislature in the past, but his results in the special election will impact that ability in the future. "It is important," said political analyst Sherry Bebitch Jeffe of the University of Southern California. "If he doesn't come out a winner, it will make it all that harder for him to get quickly out of the block for the re-election campaign." But, she added, the governor has always been a talented spin-meister and even if only one of his measures passes, he will likely declare the election a success. If none passed, he could still declare the results "fantastic" and just the beginning of a long fight to reform the state, she said. Now, she said, the question will be how Democrats react to the election and whether they and the governor are willing to set aside their differences and work together in the upcoming legislative session. Perata called for both sides to "turn the page quickly on this long and divisive special election and immediately start working together on the issues that matter most to California." Perata said he next wants to work with the governor on fighting federal budget cuts to California, Schwarzenegger's upcoming China trip and restoring bipartisan relations in the state. "Win, lose or draw for either side, it's time for the governor and the Legislature to get back to the basics of what this state needs: better schools, sufficient health care, usable roads and affordable energy," Perata said in a written statement. ............... I VOTED HELL NO TO ALL LAST WEEK ABSENTEE whopeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Nov 9 05:09:09 2005, in response to WE WHIPPED Arnold Schwarzeneggers ASS big time here, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Wed Nov 9 04:04:53 2005. Bad time to be a republican, and they've got all the marbles too. Simply amazing. |
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Posted by BIE on Wed Nov 9 07:22:32 2005, in response to WE WHIPPED Arnold Schwarzeneggers ASS big time here, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Wed Nov 9 04:04:53 2005. Ship his ass back to Austria. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Nov 9 09:04:26 2005, in response to Re: WE WHIPPED Arnold Schwarzeneggers ASS big time here, posted by BIE on Wed Nov 9 07:22:32 2005. Jawohl mein Herr . . . |
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Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Wed Nov 9 09:51:57 2005, in response to WE WHIPPED Arnold Schwarzeneggers ASS big time here, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Wed Nov 9 04:04:53 2005. Just a tune-up for next years election "The Governator will not be back!" :) |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Wed Nov 9 10:25:07 2005, in response to WE WHIPPED Arnold Schwarzeneggers ASS big time here, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Wed Nov 9 04:04:53 2005. I know I am from the East Coast, but it is sad that five great ideas were defeated going away. If these were proposed by a Democrat, would this have passed? (I mention this, because Prop. 77 seems as though it would have prevented gerrymandering, and Prop. 73 would have made minors more responsible in having sex.) |
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Posted by M15 to South Ferry on Wed Nov 9 16:38:06 2005, in response to Re: WE WHIPPED Arnold Schwarzeneggers ASS big time here, posted by BIE on Wed Nov 9 07:22:32 2005. Illegals first. Namely from south of the border. |
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Posted by M15 to South Ferry on Wed Nov 9 16:39:24 2005, in response to Re: WE WHIPPED Arnold Schwarzeneggers ASS big time here, posted by AMoreira81 on Wed Nov 9 10:25:07 2005. Probably. That state is too liberal to listen to valid ideas, CA needs to be broken up into 3 states then perhaps those measures would've had some chance in some areas of CA. |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Wed Nov 9 16:52:34 2005, in response to Re: WE WHIPPED Arnold Schwarzeneggers ASS big time here, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Nov 9 05:09:09 2005. Yea !!check out all the crappy posters '''california-is-too-liberal''' etc ( the posters after this one ) man the whining and crying because we do not want a REPUBLICIAN DICTATORSHIP HERE ........ |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Wed Nov 9 16:58:23 2005, in response to Re: WE WHIPPED Arnold Schwarzeneggers ASS big time here, posted by AMoreira81 on Wed Nov 9 10:25:07 2005. you mean prop 73 would have forced little girls to have the babyagainst thier will even after forced sex ( RAPE ) and then have no WELFARE to help take care of the baby this would have led to BACK ALLEY ABORTIONS which would have led to DEATHS ..mostly teenage little girls ........ i just seems like too many of you MEN do not care 2 cents about women and only see them as ''''baby-making-machines''' hell a woman has a right to do with her body just like us MEN do !! and just leave her alone and let her decide what medical needs and medical decisions she needs to do with her life GROW UP AMERICAN MALES..........and act like men for once !!!!!!! and i am glad we killed prop 75 !!!!!!! !! |
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Posted by Flxiblemetro on Wed Nov 9 17:09:51 2005, in response to WE WHIPPED Arnold Schwarzeneggers ASS big time here, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Wed Nov 9 04:04:53 2005. Yipeeee!! We finally terminated the Terminator. |
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Posted by M15 to South Ferry on Wed Nov 9 17:21:55 2005, in response to Re: WE WHIPPED Arnold Schwarzeneggers ASS big time here, posted by Flxiblemetro on Wed Nov 9 17:09:51 2005. He can get the TX to start bumping off ppl lol. |
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Posted by BIE on Wed Nov 9 17:28:02 2005, in response to Re: WE WHIPPED Arnold Schwarzeneggers ASS big time here, posted by M15 to South Ferry on Wed Nov 9 16:38:06 2005. FAIR ENOUGH!!! |
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Posted by George Foelschow on Wed Nov 9 17:54:08 2005, in response to Re: WE WHIPPED Arnold Schwarzeneggers ASS big time here, posted by M15 to South Ferry on Wed Nov 9 16:39:24 2005. Be careful what you wish for. Instead of one blue state, you might end up with three blue states with six liberal senators. |
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Posted by M15 to South Ferry on Wed Nov 9 17:58:40 2005, in response to Re: WE WHIPPED Arnold Schwarzeneggers ASS big time here, posted by George Foelschow on Wed Nov 9 17:54:08 2005. Well to make sure there are still 50 states. 3 NE states: Massachusetts, RI, Connecticut would be merged into one state. |
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Posted by M15 to South Ferry on Wed Nov 9 17:59:17 2005, in response to Re: WE WHIPPED Arnold Schwarzeneggers ASS big time here, posted by George Foelschow on Wed Nov 9 17:54:08 2005. but otherwise valid point. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Wed Nov 9 18:05:33 2005, in response to Re: WE WHIPPED Arnold Schwarzeneggers ASS big time here, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Wed Nov 9 16:58:23 2005. If rape and incest were not specifically exempted (as they should have been), then that would have been TERRIBLE framing of the proposition.As for Prop. 74 and 75, that shows that there needs to be a test to make sure that voters are SMART enough about the issues. Here, in a strongly blue state, assuming that Proposition 73 specifically exempted rape and incest, as well as threat to life, NY voters would have voted yes on ALL FIVE. However, some voters who decide these issues do not know their (buttocks) from their elbows, or so it seems, and they drag down society as a whole. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Wed Nov 9 18:06:46 2005, in response to Re: WE WHIPPED Arnold Schwarzeneggers ASS big time here, posted by M15 to South Ferry on Wed Nov 9 17:58:40 2005. Now though, we would lose a red Deomcrat in Lieberman, who seems to be a REPUBLICAN who carries the Democrat brand (although I do like his maverick style). |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Wed Nov 9 18:09:38 2005, in response to Re: WE WHIPPED Arnold Schwarzeneggers ASS big time here, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Wed Nov 9 16:52:34 2005. The voters need to be smarter. At least those on the East Coast know what good measures are from a bill of goods, and these were worthy reforms, not bills of goods. |
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Posted by American Pig on Wed Nov 9 18:32:27 2005, in response to Re: WE WHIPPED Arnold Schwarzeneggers ASS big time here, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Wed Nov 9 16:58:23 2005. I agree with you 100%. I would have said the same thing. I am also glad California killed prop 73. |
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Posted by M15 to South Ferry on Wed Nov 9 18:32:47 2005, in response to Re: WE WHIPPED Arnold Schwarzeneggers ASS big time here, posted by AMoreira81 on Wed Nov 9 18:06:46 2005. Well there are also New Hampshire and Vermont if not RI and CT. Those 5 put together would be like the size of NY or PA. |
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Posted by M15 to South Ferry on Wed Nov 9 18:34:00 2005, in response to Re: WE WHIPPED Arnold Schwarzeneggers ASS big time here, posted by AMoreira81 on Wed Nov 9 18:05:33 2005. I wonder if most of the voters were from San Fran and LA? That could explain the results. |
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Posted by American Pig on Wed Nov 9 18:48:07 2005, in response to Re: WE WHIPPED Arnold Schwarzeneggers ASS big time here, posted by AMoreira81 on Wed Nov 9 18:05:33 2005. What makes you think that New York is sufficiently more conservative than California that a parental consent for abortion referendum would be passed. New York was only one of four states where Roe Vs. Wade had no effect as abortion on demand was legalized in 1970 (other states like Colorado and California only allowed abortion in certain cases). |
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Posted by American Pig on Wed Nov 9 18:54:10 2005, in response to Re: WE WHIPPED Arnold Schwarzeneggers ASS big time here, posted by M15 to South Ferry on Wed Nov 9 18:34:00 2005. I wonder if most of the voters were from San Fran and LA?Since the voters from those two metro areas constitute the vast majority of the state's population, if that is so, then that is a fair, democratic outcome. |
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Posted by American Pig on Wed Nov 9 19:05:49 2005, in response to Re: WE WHIPPED Arnold Schwarzeneggers ASS big time here, posted by M15 to South Ferry on Wed Nov 9 17:58:40 2005. Why? Of the 229 years that the United States has existed, there were 50 states for only 46 of those years.And Massachusetts, Providence Plantations and Connecticut would NEVER AGREE to merge. And the federal government can't force them. Read your Constitution. |
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Posted by American Pig on Wed Nov 9 19:09:10 2005, in response to Re: WE WHIPPED Arnold Schwarzeneggers ASS big time here, posted by M15 to South Ferry on Wed Nov 9 16:39:24 2005. That state is too liberal to listen to valid ideasI never heard valid used to mean wrong. Well, if I haven't heard it, it's new to me! |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Nov 9 19:18:20 2005, in response to Re: WE WHIPPED Arnold Schwarzeneggers ASS big time here, posted by American Pig on Wed Nov 9 19:09:10 2005. Guess M15 thinks that "valid ideals" means borrowing to pay for spending versus taxing . . . |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Wed Nov 9 19:29:28 2005, in response to Re: WE WHIPPED Arnold Schwarzeneggers ASS big time here, posted by M15 to South Ferry on Wed Nov 9 18:32:47 2005. However, you are basically handing the Republicans the keys to turn over to some foreign power, once they are through with running the USA into the ground. |
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Posted by Dan Lawrence on Wed Nov 9 19:29:49 2005, in response to Re: WE WHIPPED Arnold Schwarzeneggers ASS big time here, posted by M15 to South Ferry on Wed Nov 9 18:32:47 2005. Zip chance.Remember New Hampshire's motto: Live Free or Die They will not go quietly into the night. |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Wed Nov 9 19:59:23 2005, in response to Re: WE WHIPPED Arnold Schwarzeneggers ASS big time here, posted by AMoreira81 on Wed Nov 9 18:09:38 2005. i could not force a teenage girl who is a victim of a rapeto force here to birth this is the right wing crap i will not go for !! and i am gleeful prop 75 was shot down |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Wed Nov 9 20:03:05 2005, in response to Re: WE WHIPPED Arnold Schwarzeneggers ASS big time here, posted by AMoreira81 on Wed Nov 9 18:05:33 2005. on prop 73 the victim a young girl has become a mother as resultof a crime no if prop 73 passes she is FORCED to give BIRTH against her will a crime was commited against her in the first place now she is seeking a back alley abortion at the risk of her LIFE and DIES from it !! man are the right wingers ever nice people i am not female so i copuld not image the horror its time for MALES to act like MEN i am glad we shot down prop 73 |
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Posted by #4 Sea Beach Fred on Wed Nov 9 20:04:24 2005, in response to Re: WE WHIPPED Arnold Schwarzeneggers ASS big time here, posted by FYBklyn1959 on Wed Nov 9 09:51:57 2005. I wouldn't count on it '59. A year is a lifetime in politics and Arnold has the charisma to make his comeback. Besides, it will become evident soon enough that things still need reform out here. When the Democrats ask for an increase in taxes across the board then the people will wake up and know they were taken for a ride and will respond accordingly. The problems still remain and the legislature still wants to spend more money than they take in. What do they want? Raise taxes. Arnold told us what he wanted to do to reform the system but the voters were all for others doing the sacrificing as long as it was'nt them. The people will rue the mistake they made out here. |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Wed Nov 9 20:05:28 2005, in response to Re: WE WHIPPED Arnold Schwarzeneggers ASS big time here, posted by American Pig on Wed Nov 9 18:32:27 2005. wowthankz and thankz to the innocent victims |
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Posted by BIE on Wed Nov 9 20:09:34 2005, in response to Re: WE WHIPPED Arnold Schwarzeneggers ASS big time here, posted by #4 Sea Beach Fred on Wed Nov 9 20:04:24 2005. You ought to send that UNION EARNED pension check back to the union that the brainless terminator is trying to destroy. At least two of those ballot neasures were aimed at destroying the NEA. Isn't it bad enough that a teacher hired today will get a pension that is a tiny fraction of the one you enjoy thanks to right wing assholes weakening the unions. |
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Posted by #4 Sea Beach Fred on Wed Nov 9 20:10:08 2005, in response to Re: WE WHIPPED Arnold Schwarzeneggers ASS big time here, posted by AMoreira81 on Wed Nov 9 18:05:33 2005. What can I say. Californians have cut their own throats with a total rejection of the whole reform package. It means that the legislature, bold with what they perceive as victory, will try and raise taxes and the stupid voters who voted down all the measures will think that the taxes will be on the rich. Not so; they will simply send their funds to Fiji as the Kennedys did, or to the Cayman Islands as George Soros has, or to Bermuda where I hear a lot of Corzine's money is. Or they will ship it to a numbered account in Switzerland, or put into municipal bonds that cannot be taxed. No, the ax is going to fall on the middle class who will be spending more for movies, gas, sports events, and their children's college. They will come to wish they had listened better. |
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Posted by #4 Sea Beach Fred on Wed Nov 9 20:11:44 2005, in response to Re: WE WHIPPED Arnold Schwarzeneggers ASS big time here, posted by Flxiblemetro on Wed Nov 9 17:09:51 2005. As the Terminator said: "I'll be back.". or something like that. |
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Posted by BIE on Wed Nov 9 20:16:15 2005, in response to Re: WE WHIPPED Arnold Schwarzeneggers ASS big time here, posted by #4 Sea Beach Fred on Wed Nov 9 20:10:08 2005. Thyat wasn't reform. Two of those NAZI measures were aimed at BURYING the very union you owe your livelihood to Youi aren't a union teacher, you are a SCAB DOG. |
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Posted by #4 Sea Beach Fred on Wed Nov 9 20:17:55 2005, in response to Re: WE WHIPPED Arnold Schwarzeneggers ASS big time here, posted by BIE on Wed Nov 9 20:09:34 2005. The fact is BIE that I voted against Prop 74 because I thought that was anti-teacher and Arnold should have known better on that one. On 75, I voted yes because the teacher unions out here have gotten involved in a hell of a lot more issues than working conditions and wages. They have weighed in on same sex marriages, amnesty for illegals and many other far out and ridiculous ideas. I didn't want my money going for that when I was in the classroom and don't want it done now. As far as future pensions are concerned, if we don't get our financial house in order out here things will get to the point that we will be more like a banana republic than a golden state. We spend more than we make and that has to stop. Arnold tried to do it but those against it waged a brilliant campaign to fool the people and succeeded. The people will be the ones who will pay for it, though. |
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Posted by Rail Blue on Wed Nov 9 20:18:38 2005, in response to Re: WE WHIPPED Arnold Schwarzeneggers ASS big time here, posted by M15 to South Ferry on Wed Nov 9 18:32:47 2005. Well there are also New Hampshire and Vermont if not RI and CT. Those 5 put together would be like the size of NY or PA.And then there are ID, MT, ND, NE, NV, SD, UT, and WY. Those eight put together would be like the size of OH or MI (or almost the size of Saudi Arabia or Mexico, depending on how you looked at it). |
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Posted by Rail Blue on Wed Nov 9 20:20:14 2005, in response to Re: WE WHIPPED Arnold Schwarzeneggers ASS big time here, posted by M15 to South Ferry on Wed Nov 9 16:38:06 2005. I'm not sure the Austrians would welcome them... |
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Posted by R30A on Wed Nov 9 20:29:25 2005, in response to Re: WE WHIPPED Arnold Schwarzeneggers ASS big time here, posted by BIE on Wed Nov 9 20:16:15 2005. The teachers union is an evil evil thing. |
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Posted by Rail Blue on Wed Nov 9 20:34:54 2005, in response to Re: WE WHIPPED Arnold Schwarzeneggers ASS big time here, posted by American Pig on Wed Nov 9 19:05:49 2005. Why? Of the 229 years that the United States has existed, there were 50 states for only 46 of those years.Interestingly, however, that's the second longest there have been any given number of states: 50) 46 years 48) 47 years 24) 15 years 13) 15 years 38) 13 years 45) 11 years Which means, some time next year, the USA hasn't been growing for the longest period in its history. Quick, someone give AS, GU, and PR statehood! |
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Posted by bingbong on Wed Nov 9 20:47:25 2005, in response to Re: WE WHIPPED Arnold Schwarzeneggers ASS big time here, posted by #4 Sea Beach Fred on Wed Nov 9 20:04:24 2005. Some things *need* to be done by government. There's no escaping that reality. Would you prefer the republicans simply borrow it from your pension fund? |
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Posted by BIE on Wed Nov 9 20:51:10 2005, in response to Re: WE WHIPPED Arnold Schwarzeneggers ASS big time here, posted by Rail Blue on Wed Nov 9 20:34:54 2005. how 'bout the US Virgin Islands. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Nov 9 20:51:59 2005, in response to Re: WE WHIPPED Arnold Schwarzeneggers ASS big time here, posted by BIE on Wed Nov 9 07:22:32 2005. Austria dispatriated him because his stand on the death penalty violates Austrian law. He's not even allowed to VISIT there, and they will NOT take him back. He's all OURS now. :( |
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Re: WE WHIPPED Arnold Schwarzenegger's ASS big time here |
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Posted by M15 to South Ferry on Wed Nov 9 21:00:00 2005, in response to Re: WE WHIPPED Arnold Schwarzenegger's ASS big time here, posted by American Pig on Wed Nov 9 18:54:10 2005. But what about the rest of the state? To let 2 cities decide the outcome is unfair. |
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Posted by M15 to South Ferry on Wed Nov 9 21:00:55 2005, in response to Re: WE WHIPPED Arnold Schwarzeneggers ASS big time here, posted by Rail Blue on Wed Nov 9 20:18:38 2005. Yup. I wonder how the hell they drew up their state lines anyway? |
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Posted by M15 to South Ferry on Wed Nov 9 21:02:41 2005, in response to Re: WE WHIPPED Arnold Schwarzeneggers ASS big time here, posted by Rail Blue on Wed Nov 9 20:34:54 2005. Maybe it is time to force Puerto Rico to be a state or just be an independent colony w/out US benefits?Then again NYC should secede from the state. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Nov 9 21:04:22 2005, in response to Re: WE WHIPPED Arnold Schwarzeneggers ASS big time here, posted by #4 Sea Beach Fred on Wed Nov 9 20:17:55 2005. Why? Ahnold is merely firmly upholding the values of your corrupt party there. And hate to say it, but when I hear about Californians moving to Utah and KANSAS, I'd say it's time to roast them platanos, bro. :) |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Wed Nov 9 21:04:57 2005, in response to Re: WE WHIPPED Arnold Schwarzeneggers ASS big time here, posted by #4 Sea Beach Fred on Wed Nov 9 20:10:08 2005. who was hurt now that all of the prop. failed ................answer ..........nobody' ...this election was totally wrong never should have been done!! |
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