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One Step Forward, Two Steps Back |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Jan 3 23:10:35 2011 After President Obama's year-end legislative accomplishments withy the lame-duck Congress before the holiday break, the GOP is all set to begin 2011 with a bang, introducing a House bill to repeal healthcare reform. Although Democrats still control the Senate, and Obama can veto the repeal bill if it gets to his desk, it's something to think about: do we really want to go back to the days when your insurer could drop you when you got sick, deny lifesaving procedures as a cost-cutting measure, or refuse hospitals payment for treatments and medications they had no choice but to deliver?Repealing healthcare reform would be like flattening the tires on the ambulance so it can't reach you while you lay bleeding in the street. Keep in mind that this year, the first of 75 million Baby Boomers become eligible for Medicare--you read that as geriatric care, the most expensive predictable healthcare there is--but Republicans want to strike all the improvements to Medicare and the rest of it. When you are old and need a big-ticket item like a bypass, hip replacement, or TPA therapy, do you really want your elected (GOP) officials leaving you at the mercy of corporate healthcare? Remember, these are the guys, starting with Tricky Dicky Nixon himself, that came up with rescission, capitation, and HMOs... |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Mon Jan 3 23:11:10 2011, in response to One Step Forward, Two Steps Back, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Jan 3 23:10:35 2011. agreed |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jan 3 23:14:44 2011, in response to One Step Forward, Two Steps Back, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Jan 3 23:10:35 2011. They made no secret of all that this was what many of them candidates running were planning to do. Many of them ran on a platform of this. They are just doing what they promised to do when they were running for election. NOT doing what was in a lot of their campaign platforms, would actually be reneging on campaign promises.The People spoke. |
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Re: One Step Forward, Two Leaps Ahead |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jan 3 23:17:59 2011, in response to Re: One Step Forward, Two Steps Back, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Mon Jan 3 23:11:10 2011. he House will vote on a separate resolution that would, in effect, take steps toward creating an alternative Republican health care plan. The resolution would call on four key committees to create health care legislation that addresses 12 different goals, to “lower health care premiums through increased competition and choice,” “increase the number of insured Americans,” “protect the doctor-patient relationship,” and “prohibit taxpayer funding of abortions and provide conscience protections of health care providers,” for example.The resolution appears aimed at blunting Democratic criticism that Republicans aren’t serious about enacting solutions to expand health care coverage to millions of uninsured Americans. |
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Re: One Step Back, Two Steps Forward |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Jan 3 23:19:41 2011, in response to One Step Forward, Two Steps Back, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Jan 3 23:10:35 2011. do we really want to go back to the days when your insurer could drop you when you got sick, deny lifesaving procedures as a cost-cutting measure, or refuse hospitals payment for treatments and medications they had no choice but to deliver?A majority of America says yes If you think that sucks, blame the Democrats for linking such benefits and restrictions to such a god awful bill. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Jan 3 23:21:31 2011, in response to Re: One Step Forward, Two Steps Back, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jan 3 23:14:44 2011. Progressives are just jealous because the GOP can introduce bills that both please their base and also meet with the approval of the majority of America. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Jan 3 23:21:33 2011, in response to Re: One Step Forward, Two Steps Back, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jan 3 23:14:44 2011. I get the overwhelming impression that the GOP led the People down the garden path on HCR. Every time I'm in the Village, I pass by the most eloquent argument in favor of healthcare reform--the empty, cold, dark hulk of the former St. Vincent's Hospital. STVH was one of the largest, most comprehensive medical institutions in the city, and it was done in by precisely the things the Republicans are trying to bring back.If HCR had been in effect in, say, 2008, STVH would still be saving lives today. During the last election season, I heard not a peep from GOP candidates about how repealing HCR would, in fact, keep our precious hospitals and clinics open, or manage Medicare Part D, which will, in the coming years, be the single biggest payor for prescription drugs in America... |
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Re: One Step Forward, Two Leaps Ahead |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Jan 3 23:23:06 2011, in response to Re: One Step Forward, Two Leaps Ahead, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jan 3 23:17:59 2011. But repealing HCR will NOT "increase the number of insured Americans" at all. It will return the power to refuse insurance back to corporate America. |
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Re: One Step Forward, Two Leaps Ahead |
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Posted by Fred G on Mon Jan 3 23:24:08 2011, in response to Re: One Step Forward, Two Leaps Ahead, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jan 3 23:17:59 2011. After all this time, it's still the same talking points and bumper sticker slogans.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jan 3 23:25:39 2011, in response to Re: One Step Forward, Two Steps Back, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Jan 3 23:21:33 2011. NO ONE is saying that healtcare reform is not needed. The controversy is against the horror of a bill that the Democrats passed, against the will of the American people, and in the middle of the night on Christmas Eve, sneakily. "We will just have to pass it so we can see what is in it"....Healthcare reform is needed, but "healthcare reform" doesn't have to be synonymous with Pelosi/ObamaCare that was put forth. They are trying to repeal THAT bill, not against reforming HealthCare. |
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Posted by Fred G on Mon Jan 3 23:26:48 2011, in response to Re: One Step Forward, Two Leaps Ahead, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Jan 3 23:23:06 2011. It will return the power to refuse insurance back to corporate America.Death panels. your pal, Fred |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jan 3 23:27:28 2011, in response to Re: One Step Forward, Two Leaps Ahead, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Jan 3 23:23:06 2011. Regardless of Ms Pelosi claimed, Obama/PelosiCare is NOT the only possible healthcare reform. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jan 3 23:29:52 2011, in response to Re: One Step Forward, Two Leaps Ahead, posted by Fred G on Mon Jan 3 23:24:08 2011. Yes, believe that and say it enough times and of course it "must" be the truth. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Jan 3 23:34:21 2011, in response to Re: One Step Back, Two Steps Forward, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Jan 3 23:19:41 2011. If the GOP has their way, something like this could happen to YOU:God forbid, one morning, you wake up with horrible crushing substernal chest pains. The EMS crew begins treating you right then and there at the scene. They bundle you off to the hospital, where the doctor takes one look at your EKG and orders a cardiac cath be done on you. You're already $5000 in the hole and more is coming. Your cath reveals a blocked coronary artery, and it is decided you need a bypass. While you're being prepped for surgery, they place you on multiple cardiac and other meds appropriate to your condition. While you are sitting up there in CCU on a morphine drip, the billing department is calling your insurer, who ultimately will decide how much of this treatment they are going to actually pay for. Because your condition is a life-threatening one, the hospital isn't going to wait for your insurer to "authorize" your ambulance trip, ER visit, or any of the lifesaving and stabilizing treatments you've received so far. They are going to wheel you into the OR, knock you out, and do that $250,000 bypass you so desperately need. After you come out of Recovery, and eventually get well enough to be discharged, you'll go home, where, still on ooglobs of meds and outpatient therapy, you'll get the shock that will ultimately kill you. A letter from the hospital will arrive in your mailbox, saying your insurance company has dropped your coverage (rescission!), refuses to pay for your treatment and surgery, and the hospital now wants half a million bucks from you. Your family can bury you in Potters' Field after that... That's what the GOP wants for YOU. |
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Posted by Fred G on Mon Jan 3 23:35:32 2011, in response to Re: One Step Forward, Two Steps Back, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jan 3 23:25:39 2011. What's wrong with the bill that was passed?your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Fred G on Mon Jan 3 23:38:36 2011, in response to Re: One Step Forward, Two Leaps Ahead, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jan 3 23:29:52 2011. You can't possibly believe that quote you posted is anything resembling a plan, could you?Just what is the better plan the Republicans have to reform health care? your pal, Fred |
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Posted by italianstallion on Mon Jan 3 23:51:51 2011, in response to Re: One Step Forward, Two Steps Back, posted by Fred G on Mon Jan 3 23:35:32 2011. They can't say. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Mon Jan 3 23:56:04 2011, in response to Re: One Step Forward, Two Steps Back, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jan 3 23:25:39 2011. "against the will of the American people, and in the middle of the night on Christmas Eve, sneakily. "But the people elected Obama and the Democrats in 2008. Obama promised to pass health cafe reform. He ran on that, and he kept his promise. To quote YOU, the people spoke. And stop already with the sneaky, middle of the night canard. No bill in my 61-year lifetime has ever had as much media coverage as this bill. Everyone knew exactly what the timing for final passage was. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Tue Jan 4 00:03:18 2011, in response to Re: One Step Forward, Two Leaps Ahead, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jan 3 23:27:28 2011. It's the only possible one that was seriously proposed last year. Perhaps you fail to recall that through the spring and summer of 2009 Republican Senators were full partners at the negotiating table, until they were scared shitless by the Tea Party hysteria. |
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Posted by Fred G on Tue Jan 4 00:04:12 2011, in response to Re: One Step Forward, Two Steps Back, posted by italianstallion on Mon Jan 3 23:56:04 2011. And stop already with the sneaky, middle of the night canard. No bill in my 61-year lifetime has ever had as much media coverage as this bill. Everyone knew exactly what the timing for final passage was.LOL, I know. It sounds like it was passed in 1920 Alabama, with gas lamps turned way down low and shades lowered. your pal, Fred |
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Posted by italianstallion on Tue Jan 4 00:05:00 2011, in response to Re: One Step Forward, Two Steps Back, posted by Fred G on Tue Jan 4 00:04:12 2011. In a smoke-filled room. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Jan 4 00:19:38 2011, in response to Re: One Step Forward, Two Steps Back, posted by italianstallion on Tue Jan 4 00:05:00 2011. Obviously the republicans were smoking some really bad shit. :) |
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Re: One Step Forward, Two Leaps Ahead |
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Posted by PHXTUSbusfan on Tue Jan 4 00:20:59 2011, in response to Re: One Step Forward, Two Leaps Ahead, posted by Fred G on Mon Jan 3 23:38:36 2011. There isn't one, they simply are bitching about the current one. |
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Posted by Fred G on Tue Jan 4 00:28:47 2011, in response to Re: One Step Forward, Two Leaps Ahead, posted by PHXTUSbusfan on Tue Jan 4 00:20:59 2011. I know, that quote was über-familiar; Smoke and Mirrors Monthly I believe :Pyour pal, Fred |
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Posted by PHXTUSbusfan on Tue Jan 4 00:32:29 2011, in response to Re: One Step Back, Two Steps Forward, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Jan 3 23:19:41 2011. A majority of Americans don't have a friggin clue what's in the stupid bill other than what the richer than sin talking heads tell them. Of course, Glenn Beck, Bill O'Reilly, Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, et. all would be opposed to the bill. These guys are all richer than sin and even if a major catastrophic event happened to them, still wouldn't go bankrupt. The majority of Americans are one major health scare away from bankruptcy and that's what the bill was trying to alleviate.I guess it's ok for people to be forced on the street due to illness, is that what you're saying Chris? Your GOP friends don't have a fucking plan and you know it. |
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Re: One Step Back, Great Leap Forward |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jan 4 00:41:25 2011, in response to Re: One Step Back, Two Steps Forward, posted by PHXTUSbusfan on Tue Jan 4 00:32:29 2011. They do have a plan. Let the poor people starve and die. Except for the poor foeti. |
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Posted by PHXTUSbusfan on Tue Jan 4 00:42:23 2011, in response to Re: One Step Back, Great Leap Forward, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jan 4 00:41:25 2011. They seem to have no problem with death panels for people on Medicaid. See the current tea party / GOP controlled state legislature of Arizona as a prime example. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Tue Jan 4 03:03:07 2011, in response to Re: One Step Forward, Two Steps Back, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Jan 3 23:21:31 2011. I'm glad they are introducing this bill.I also hope they don't pass a bill raising the debt ceiling. That would be awesome. Just think, after getting borrowed $1 trillion dollars in tax cuts for the rich, they will now refuse to authorize that very borrowing. There was never any good reason for the US to have a AAA bond rating. It's about time we have it downgraded. And by an voluntary actual default at that. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Tue Jan 4 03:04:32 2011, in response to Re: One Step Forward, Two Steps Back, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jan 3 23:25:39 2011. and in the middle of the night on Christmas Eve, sneakily.It was passed on PRIMETIME on a weekend. It doesn't get LESS sneaky than that. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Tue Jan 4 03:05:15 2011, in response to Re: One Step Forward, Two Steps Back, posted by italianstallion on Mon Jan 3 23:51:51 2011. They are awaiting instruction from Massah in order to answer that. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Tue Jan 4 03:06:58 2011, in response to Re: One Step Back, Two Steps Forward, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Jan 3 23:34:21 2011. Anybody who is against Obamacare should have their children taken away from them. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Jan 4 03:14:53 2011, in response to Re: One Step Forward, Two Steps Back, posted by SMAZ on Tue Jan 4 03:03:07 2011. Olog will be so proud of his boys, he'll cry. :) |
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Posted by SMAZ on Tue Jan 4 03:18:31 2011, in response to Re: One Step Forward, Two Steps Back, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Jan 4 03:14:53 2011. So will I.Cries of joy. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Jan 4 03:24:26 2011, in response to Re: One Step Forward, Two Steps Back, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Jan 4 03:14:53 2011. One of the pinheads said earlier (posted a reference to it) that he had a 2.3 majority of votes to overturn Obama on Wednesday and Obama and the Senate had to go along because it was veto proof. Hahahahaha.We've surpassed Idiocracy and they haven't even gaveled in yet. :) |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Tue Jan 4 05:26:27 2011, in response to Re: One Step Forward, Two Steps Back, posted by Fred G on Mon Jan 3 23:35:32 2011. What's wrong with the bill that was passed?No public option, for one. |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Tue Jan 4 05:30:02 2011, in response to Re: One Step Forward, Two Steps Back, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jan 3 23:25:39 2011. The controversy is against the horror of a bill that the Democrats passed...It's only a horror because it was watered down to get "bipartisan support." They are trying to repeal THAT bill, not against reforming HealthCare. No, they are against reforming health care. Reform goes against free market principles. "The People," meanwhile, want more reform, not less. |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Tue Jan 4 05:32:55 2011, in response to Re: One Step Back, Great Leap Forward, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jan 4 00:41:25 2011. Except for the poor foeti.They'll have to wait until after birth - most likely on a kitchen table - before they get the chance to starve and die. |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Tue Jan 4 07:36:52 2011, in response to Re: One Step Back, Two Steps Forward, posted by SMAZ on Tue Jan 4 03:06:58 2011. You're a blithering idiot. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jan 4 07:47:11 2011, in response to Re: One Step Forward, Two Leaps Ahead, posted by italianstallion on Tue Jan 4 00:03:18 2011. False, it was "what" the Democrats (hard leftists to be more exact) wanted or nothing. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jan 4 07:47:57 2011, in response to Re: One Step Forward, Two Steps Back, posted by italianstallion on Tue Jan 4 00:05:00 2011. Impossible, as the Democrats have legislated away smoking in rooms through overlegislation. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jan 4 08:05:46 2011, in response to Re: One Step Forward, Two Steps Back, posted by SMAZ on Tue Jan 4 03:04:32 2011. LOL. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Jan 4 08:07:23 2011, in response to Re: One Step Forward, Two Steps Back, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jan 4 08:05:46 2011. Why does it matter when it passes? It's the time when it is being considered that matters. That's when you would contact your legislative representation and voice your opinion. Not while the vote is going on. |
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Posted by Fred G on Tue Jan 4 08:34:18 2011, in response to Re: One Step Forward, Two Steps Back, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jan 4 07:47:57 2011. LOL, so much for taverns being hotbeds of unrest.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Scrabbleship on Tue Jan 4 08:42:22 2011, in response to Re: One Step Back, Two Steps Forward, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Jan 3 23:19:41 2011. A majority of America is so retarded, the intellectually disabled see them to be an insult of such a term. |
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Posted by Fred G on Tue Jan 4 08:43:37 2011, in response to Re: One Step Forward, Two Leaps Ahead, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jan 4 07:47:11 2011. No, the GOP by action wanted no part of it. The hard left lost out as we got a watered down version of the bill in the end.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Fred G on Tue Jan 4 09:26:35 2011, in response to Re: One Step Forward, Two Steps Back, posted by SMAZ on Tue Jan 4 03:05:15 2011. I hate these overnight wait periods dammityour pal, Fred |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jan 4 09:30:39 2011, in response to Re: One Step Forward, Two Leaps Ahead, posted by Fred G on Tue Jan 4 08:43:37 2011. "Hard Left" = you? Good God, you are the Loony Fringe? |
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Posted by Fred G on Tue Jan 4 09:33:07 2011, in response to Re: One Step Forward, Two Leaps Ahead, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jan 4 09:30:39 2011. Haha no, I meant we as in all of us. I'm left but not all the way left.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by ClearAspect on Tue Jan 4 11:19:17 2011, in response to Re: One Step Forward, Two Steps Back, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jan 3 23:25:39 2011. Don't worry when you turn 62 the death panel will deem you not suitable to live and they will end your misery. |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Tue Jan 4 12:30:20 2011, in response to Re: One Step Forward, Two Steps Back, posted by ClearAspect on Tue Jan 4 11:19:17 2011. I will worry about that if/when I reach 62. That is 17 years from now and as we learned on 9/11, tomorrow is not promised to anyone. |
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