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Posted by ClearAspect on Mon Nov 22 17:20:14 2010, in response to Re: Communism will save America, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Nov 22 16:57:24 2010. False... whats going in Japan says you're wrong, economies struggle with declining population, especially in terms of pension systems, health insurance systems... government services directed towards the elderly as the population of the elderly will outpace the younger population as the population begins to decrease, the domestic market begins to shrink... which requires foreign investment to offset but the entire planets human population is decreasing that's not possible. |
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Posted by JayMan on Mon Nov 22 17:22:33 2010, in response to Re: Communism will save America, posted by ClearAspect on Mon Nov 22 16:50:39 2010. I'm not so sure about the forecast for future population or economic growth (I certainly wouldn't trust any model that tries to predict anything more than a century down the road), but you're right, in Western nations (excluding the US), the population has essentially already peaked. As well, in many developing countries population growth is slowing. Indeed, human population needs to level off soon for various reasons, not the least of which is livable space.But a shrinking (and necessarily aging population) is a problem for any economy, regardless of the system. Europe's socialist economies are being strained by the fact that they fewer younger and working people to contribute to their tax revenue. |
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Posted by JayMan on Mon Nov 22 17:25:11 2010, in response to Re: Communism will save America, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Nov 22 15:39:33 2010. I wouldn't say what they wanted doesn't matter at all but they hardly should be given the last word, as millions of free blacks would attest... |
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Posted by JayMan on Mon Nov 22 17:26:01 2010, in response to Re: Communism will save America, posted by BMTLines on Mon Nov 22 16:30:03 2010. Exactly. |
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Posted by JayMan on Mon Nov 22 17:28:33 2010, in response to Re: Communism will save America, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Nov 22 17:14:38 2010. And what freedoms are those? The freedom to die penniless in the street? I think I can deal... |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Nov 22 17:33:26 2010, in response to Re: Communism will save America, posted by JayMan on Mon Nov 22 17:28:33 2010. Stop with the rhetoric that shows your bias instead of objectivity. Maybe you haven't noticed (I don't know why, with all the news I post about it) but freedom after freedom has been dismantled under the progressing "democratic" socialism that's been taking over Europe, chief among them habeas corpus, national financial sovereignty, natural freedom that isn't given by the government but the people possess (read the Charter of Fundamental Rights some time) . . . thanks for proving that you don't know what you're talking about at all. |
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Posted by RockParkMan on Mon Nov 22 18:07:51 2010, in response to Re: Communism will save America, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Nov 22 17:33:26 2010. The old structures in Europe and the British Isles are falling apart. JayMan is correct, you can't eat freedom. It is a luxury the West can no longer afford. 50 years from now in China, however there will be far greater freedom than they have now because they will be able to afford it. hopefully, the Chinese right wingers can be held at bay so Chinese freedom can last. |
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Posted by Scrabbleship on Mon Nov 22 18:08:06 2010, in response to Re: Communism will save America, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Nov 22 11:31:18 2010. Pedophiles are not people. |
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Posted by JayMan on Mon Nov 22 18:16:24 2010, in response to Re: Communism will save America, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Nov 22 17:33:26 2010. I have just read the EU Charter of Fundamental Rights. For the most part it sounds like a pretty good model of human and social rights and freedoms. It does have clauses indicating that its scope is limited to laws that the member states make, but even then it specifies that they must agree with the spirit of the Charter.But even if the European model did impinge greatly on individual freedom, the point is moot, because I'm not saying that America should copy European law word-for-word or completely do away with American values or freedoms, but a move towards what is clearly a beneficial and I say superior system for a majority of the populace would great be a great improvement for Americans and American society. |
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Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Mon Nov 22 20:11:16 2010, in response to Re: Communism will save America, posted by Scrabbleship on Mon Nov 22 18:08:06 2010. Are they three-fifths of a person? |
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Posted by The Flxible Neofan on Mon Nov 22 20:49:22 2010, in response to Re: Communism will save America, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Nov 22 15:39:33 2010. I thought the constitution was amended 27 times? |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Nov 22 21:00:43 2010, in response to Re: Communism will save America, posted by JayMan on Mon Nov 22 17:12:41 2010. no rampant poverty or egregious inequality in wealthYeah, everyone is equally miserable, with nothing to strive for. |
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Posted by JayMan on Mon Nov 22 22:28:56 2010, in response to Re: Communism will save America, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Nov 22 21:00:43 2010. Actually, Western European nations frequently rank as some of the happiest in the world.Actual evidence shows that the less inequality there is in a society, the happier its citizens. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Nov 22 22:30:30 2010, in response to Re: Communism will save America, posted by JayMan on Mon Nov 22 22:28:56 2010. That's not Europe. They're full of inequality. And antisemitism is on the rise there, as well as other forms of bigotry. Maybe you should read the news instead of the propaganda? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Nov 22 22:34:41 2010, in response to Re: Communism will save America, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Nov 22 21:00:43 2010. Exactly! |
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Posted by JayMan on Mon Nov 22 22:36:55 2010, in response to Re: Communism will save America, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Nov 22 22:30:30 2010. I read objective evidence. I certainly didn't say that there was no inequality in Europe or that they don't have problems, and indeed anti-immigrant sentiments are a growing trend there (in fact, in the vein of what you brought up, 13% of Germans in one poll admitted they'd like a Füher back). That said, the problems they are having pale in comparison to ours, I would say. |
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Posted by Dand124 on Mon Nov 22 22:37:51 2010, in response to Re: Communism will save America, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Nov 22 22:34:41 2010. Since you respond to my posts with nonsense I’ll do the same to yours. |
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Posted by Dand124 on Mon Nov 22 22:38:22 2010, in response to Re: Communism will save America, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Nov 22 22:30:30 2010. Since you respond to my posts with nonsense I’ll do the same to yours. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Nov 22 22:47:44 2010, in response to Re: Communism will save America, posted by JayMan on Mon Nov 22 18:16:24 2010. I have just read the EU Charter of Fundamental Rights. For the most part it sounds like a pretty good model of human and social rights and freedomsWow . . . you're not well-read, with all due respect. What it actually sounds like is the Basic Rights, Freedoms and Duties of Citizens of the USSR, right out of the USSR's constitution. And just like the USSR's constitution, those rights are given by the government and do not belong to the people, and they could be taken away at will by the government. Those rights do not include habeas corpus. And perhaps more dangerously than the USSR's constitution, the Charter of Fundamental Rights has Article 52 section 1: Any limitation on the exercise of the rights and freedoms recognized by this Charter must be provided for by law and respect the essence of those rights and freedoms. Subject to the principle of proportionality, limitations may be made only if they are necessary and genuinely meet objectives of general interest recognized by the Union or the need to protect the rights and freedoms of others.Why don't you understand that this means that the Union has the right to legislate rights away at will? There is nothing in the Treaty of Lisbon that recognizes that the rights belong to the people. Not only do they copy the USSR's constitution here, they also copy the undemocratic Soviet model in the Brussels government, just as the government in Red China is a copy of the same. even if the European model did impinge greatly on individual freedom, the point is moot, because I'm not saying that America should copy European law word-for-word or completely do away with American values or freedoms, but a move towards what is clearly a beneficial and I say superior system for a majority of the populace would great be a great improvement for Americans and American society No, it's not a superior system. We're suffering right now due to the dearth of industrial jobs. Those were sold away to China by leftist politicians and leftist union leaders for the purpose of advancing communism; weakening the USA means that communism can advance. The location of jobs is the sole thing that makes Europe (and even China) appear better off to people over here. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Nov 22 22:49:08 2010, in response to EU EU EU EU EU EU EU EU EU EU EU EU EU EU EU EU EU EU EU EU EU EU EU EU EU EU EU EU EU EU EU EU EU, posted by Dand124 on Mon Nov 22 22:38:22 2010. Not as comfortable on the fringe as you thought you'd be? |
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Posted by Dand124 on Mon Nov 22 22:51:30 2010, in response to Re: cheeseburger cheeseburger cheeseburger, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Nov 22 22:49:08 2010. I’m “on the fringe” because I object to police brutality? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Nov 22 22:54:55 2010, in response to EU EU EU EU EU EU EU EU EU EU EU EU EU EU EU EU EU EU EU EU EU EU EU EU EU EU EU EU EU EU EU EU EU, posted by Dand124 on Mon Nov 22 22:51:30 2010. No, because you lie about it and use the term "pigs". |
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Posted by Dand124 on Mon Nov 22 22:58:58 2010, in response to Re: Hackensack cheeseburger hearing continues, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Nov 22 22:54:55 2010. Show me one lie in the police thread pigs only refers to bad cops and cops who cover up for them, not every cop is a pig. |
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Posted by JayMan on Mon Nov 22 23:08:13 2010, in response to Re: Communism will save America, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Nov 22 22:47:44 2010. What it actually sounds like is the Basic Rights, Freedoms and Duties of Citizens of the USSR, right out of the USSR's constitution. And just like the USSR's constitution, those rights are given by the government and do not belong to the people, and they could be taken away at will by the government. Those rights do not include habeas corpus. And perhaps more dangerously than the USSR's constitution, the Charter of Fundamental Rights has Article 52 section 1:Any limitation on the exercise of the rights and freedoms recognized by this Charter must be provided for by law and respect the essence of those rights and freedoms. Subject to the principle of proportionality, limitations may be made only if they are necessary and genuinely meet objectives of general interest recognized by the Union or the need to protect the rights and freedoms of others. (emphasis added) I highlighted the key point here. The Charter has provisions that states that these rights afforded by the Charter, if limited by laws of any of the member states, cannot grossly infringe on said rights. The Lisbon Treaty finally brought the Charter's rights into force. And further, it does not state that it can override rights already guaranteed by the member states, such as the aforementioned habeas corpus. The key difference in your comparison is of course that the Soviet Union was an autocratic society and did not have the democratic framework to ensue that the rights were actually given to the people. No, it's not a superior system. We're suffering right now due to the dearth of industrial jobs. Those were sold away to China by leftist politicians and leftist union leaders for the purpose of advancing communism; weakening the USA means that communism can advance. The location of jobs is the sole thing that makes Europe (and even China) appear better off to people over here. Come on, you're not serious with this? Weakening of trade barriers and exportation of jobs overseas has been a corollary of the right-wing. Manufacturing jobs are never going to truly come back to the States because the (rightly) high American standard of living makes American labor too expensive. There is no real way to stop that tide in the long run. OTOH, the policies started by Reagan like supply-side economics and the erosion of marginal tax rates have pushed most American wealth to rich, leaving the country gutted of a vibrant middle-class, who drive consumption. It is these policies that drove manufacturing jobs away. So I'm afraid you've got it all backwards. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Tue Nov 23 02:19:34 2010, in response to Re: Communism will save America, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Nov 22 05:15:58 2010. And you see how well the move towards communism worked the last two years,You have no idea what communism is. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Tue Nov 23 02:22:55 2010, in response to Re: Communism will save America, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Nov 22 01:28:33 2010. You should go murder a known child molester so that they can put you in prison for life.HAHA!! |
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Posted by SMAZ on Tue Nov 23 02:34:41 2010, in response to Re: Communism will save America, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Nov 22 16:56:44 2010. If you understood it, you would be.if you understood it, you wouldn't. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Tue Nov 23 02:37:31 2010, in response to Re: Communism will save America, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Nov 22 17:33:26 2010. with all the news I post about itlol 
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Posted by shiznit1987 on Tue Nov 23 02:37:43 2010, in response to Re: Communism will save America, posted by JayMan on Mon Nov 22 17:25:11 2010. In their defense regarding slavery, the abolitionist movement was beginning and many had sympathies to it. Asking for empancipation would have ment losing the Southern states. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Tue Nov 23 02:41:01 2010, in response to Re: Communism will save America, posted by JayMan on Mon Nov 22 23:08:13 2010. Those were sold away to China by leftist politicians and leftist union leaders for the purpose of advancing communism; |
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Posted by SMAZ on Tue Nov 23 02:42:35 2010, in response to Re: Communism will save America, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Nov 22 21:00:43 2010. Upward mobility is much higher in Western and Northern Europe than in the US and has been for some time. |
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Posted by AlM on Tue Nov 23 09:05:27 2010, in response to Re: Communism will save America, posted by SMAZ on Tue Nov 23 02:37:31 2010. Amazing. More than 6 hours have passed and Olog still hasn't pointed to your article as another example of rampant German imperialism. |
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Posted by JayMan on Tue Nov 23 13:19:47 2010, in response to Re: Communism will save America, posted by shiznit1987 on Tue Nov 23 02:37:43 2010. I know, unfortunately Washington and the Founders had to make a lot of compromises to keep that interesting little section of the country. Sadly part of democracy has always been making deals with the devil. |
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Posted by Scrabbleship on Tue Nov 30 18:51:10 2010, in response to Re: Prison will save Scrabbleship, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Nov 22 11:16:25 2010. Life without parole IS cruel & unusual punishment. Besides, I'd rather wait until we go to civil war and fall apart and be one of the lucky people who gets to be a dictator and gets to beat inmates for the hell of it. |
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Posted by Dave on Tue Nov 30 19:07:49 2010, in response to Re: Prison will save Scrabbleship, posted by Scrabbleship on Tue Nov 30 18:51:10 2010. There's a village out there missing its idiot.... |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Nov 30 19:14:52 2010, in response to Re: Prison will save Scrabbleship, posted by Dave on Tue Nov 30 19:07:49 2010. Nah ... he was returned to Texas near the end of January in 2009. (you know I *had* to) |
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Posted by RockParkMan on Tue Nov 30 19:19:37 2010, in response to Re: Communism will save America, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Nov 22 10:10:36 2010. MMMmmm,YUMMY Nutra Loaf!!!Recipe Here!!! http://www.doc.state.vt.us/about/policies/rpd/413.09%20Special%20Mgt%20Meals.pdf |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Nov 30 19:22:46 2010, in response to Re: Nutra Loaf will save America, posted by RockParkMan on Tue Nov 30 19:19:37 2010. Much better idea by far. Don't let the communists co-opt it. |
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Posted by RockParkMan on Tue Nov 30 19:33:33 2010, in response to Re: Nutra Loaf will save America, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Nov 30 19:22:46 2010. :-) |
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Posted by G1Ravage on Tue Nov 30 20:16:21 2010, in response to Re: Nutra Loaf will save America, posted by RockParkMan on Tue Nov 30 19:19:37 2010. You're gonna need lots of toasters. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Nov 30 20:33:04 2010, in response to Re: Nutra Loaf will save America, posted by RockParkMan on Tue Nov 30 19:19:37 2010. Former prison inmates who were forced onto a disciplinary diet of Nutra-Loaf unanimously described it as one of the most painful aspects of their punishment. It is meant to have no taste at all, while being as unappetizing to the eye as it is hard on the stomach. It's not even served on a plate, but rather on a sheet of paper, and you eat this disgusting glop with your hands.People who say our prisoners are being "coddled", have never spent any time "on the inside", discovering the nearly infinite ways prisons can punish people. Food is just one of the many tools available to prison administrators to make the conditions of incarceration as painful as possible, which is exactly what jail time is supposed to be. When I transported inmates from Rikers Island to Elmhurst Hospital, I saw first-hand how severe prison really is. I know that I, personally, wouldn't be able to handle an hour let alone years in a prison ennvironment. I wish the "lock 'em up and throw away the key" crowd, that always screams for harsher treatment for prisoners, could see how bad it is already. Our convicts get punished truly and well, believe that. |
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Posted by johnl on Tue Nov 30 20:48:21 2010, in response to Re: Prison will save Scrabbleship, posted by Dave on Tue Nov 30 19:07:49 2010. Nah! They know he’s gone, but missing? |
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Posted by Scrabbleship on Tue Nov 30 21:41:27 2010, in response to Re: Communism will save America, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Mon Nov 22 01:13:43 2010. That is proper English, not the poor American bastardization of the language. Canada and Britain are in a FAR better place than the US is right now and I far things will get worse. Civil War worse. |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Wed Dec 1 07:57:12 2010, in response to Re: Communism will save America, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Nov 22 10:01:28 2010. You'd love prison. I'm positive. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Sep 30 18:00:14 2011, in response to Re: Communism will save America, posted by JayMan on Mon Nov 22 14:26:44 2010. There is a big difference between communism and democratic socialismNo there isn't. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Sep 30 18:10:02 2011, in response to Re: Communism will save America, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Sep 30 18:00:14 2011. Wow ... somebody's g-string is riding up today. :) |
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Posted by WillD on Fri Sep 30 20:32:01 2011, in response to Re: Communism will save America, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Sep 30 18:10:02 2011. Nah, our resident McCarthy just dug up the unfortunate post I made and felt the need to comment on other comments within the thread. Of course his ignorance with respect to the difference between Communism and Democratic Socialism only serves to invalidate his claims. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Sep 30 20:41:54 2011, in response to Re: Communism will save America, posted by WillD on Fri Sep 30 20:32:01 2011. Of course his ignorance with respect to the difference between Communism and Democratic Socialism only serves to invalidate his claims Try again.
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Sep 30 20:44:38 2011, in response to Re: Communism will save America, posted by WillD on Fri Sep 30 20:32:01 2011. As though conservatards haven't already done enough damage. As bad as the world thought Bush was, these teabaggers have finally put the nail in the coffin. We can't even get the world bank to listen anymore, much less anybody else. And as for THIS thread, communism will save America scads better than our current locust philosophies will. :( |
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Posted by RockParkMan on Fri Sep 30 20:44:42 2011, in response to Re: Communism will save America, posted by WillD on Fri Sep 30 20:32:01 2011. NOT!!! |
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