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Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Mar 8 16:07:32 2010, in response to Re: Catholic School Rejects Child Because Of Lesbian Parents, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Mar 8 16:02:53 2010. I think I'm a year younger than you, so we were in high school at the same time. My friends from OLMM would say,"CTK is Grover Cleveland with tuition". I never saw it that way. I thought CTK was better than some zone schools.My mother's best friend from high school taught at Lane from 1983-2009. She taught SPECIAL ED there. You can imagine the stories she has. |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Mar 8 16:15:20 2010, in response to Re: Catholic School Rejects Child Because Of Lesbian Parents, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Mar 8 14:13:42 2010. "Not in the area I grew up in. "OK....but to generalize based on what happened to you specifically...is not good...for example...there are plenty of highly-rated school districts in the NY metro....ie NJ, Westchester, CT and LI....and some not so good ones too.... |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Mar 8 16:21:43 2010, in response to Re: Catholic School Rejects Child Because Of Lesbian Parents, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Mar 8 16:07:32 2010. CK was okay. It was probably not as good as other Catholic High Schools, but worlds better than Grover Cleveland or Franklin K Lane High School. |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Mar 8 16:22:58 2010, in response to Re: Catholic School Rejects Child Because Of Lesbian Parents, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Mar 8 14:15:27 2010. "Non Catholics are allowed to marry in the Catholic Church, so long as one of the parents are Catholic in good standing, and that they promise to raise the kids as Catholic."According to ChrisR16....he his marriage is invalid cause she is divorced and he is a non-Catholic...which means they are not in good standing with the church. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Mar 8 16:23:47 2010, in response to Re: Catholic School Rejects Child Because Of Lesbian Parents, posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Mar 8 16:15:20 2010. There are plenty of bad public school districts on Long Island, in Westchester, etc. Some better than others. Many of the people in bad school districts send their kids to private school, although they still pay a fortune on the school taxes to the public school district they don't use, in which many of the tenured teachers make 6 figures, no matter how bad they are. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Mar 8 16:25:40 2010, in response to Re: Catholic School Rejects Child Because Of Lesbian Parents, posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Mar 8 16:22:58 2010. Although what they do as a couple in bed is at least a condoned activity, while two women doing that is never condoned. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Mar 8 16:25:45 2010, in response to Re: Catholic School Rejects Child Because Of Lesbian Parents, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Mar 8 16:23:47 2010. I know someone whose wife teaches at Lindenhurst HS and always complains about how bad it is. |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Mar 8 16:29:05 2010, in response to Re: Catholic School Rejects Child Because Of Lesbian Parents, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Mar 8 14:15:52 2010. Well..they are not in good standing...as I stated BEFORE....he is a non-catholic and she is a DIVORCED Catholic....remember...I don't make the rules....lol.....the Vatican does....if they don't agree....well...there's always the Episcopal Church...same deal..just without a pope...lol |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Mon Mar 8 16:32:52 2010, in response to Re: Catholic School Rejects Child Because Of Lesbian Parents, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Mar 8 15:48:04 2010. Private schools are funded through tuition.Some receive public funds as well. It means the difference between allowing them discriminate or not. |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Mar 8 16:35:24 2010, in response to Re: Catholic School Rejects Child Because Of Lesbian Parents, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Mar 8 14:17:20 2010. "Of course, in the liberal train of thought, everyone has to fuck their own family, and instead "do what is better for society". Spread the wealth so to speak.... "So what you're saying...being selfish and not working for the greater is better then....sounds like a really positive appoach for the world at large...actually...could even be thought of as rather "bourgeoisie" in some regards.... |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Mar 8 16:36:17 2010, in response to Re: Catholic School Rejects Child Because Of Lesbian Parents, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Mar 8 16:25:45 2010. I can top that....I know someone whose wife teaches at....drum roll..... Brentwood, and always complains about it. But you almost expect it there. She's a little thing....like under 100 lbs. She does speak Spanish though, probably a necessity there, and it's grammar school, so she doesn't get the older kids. |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Mar 8 16:36:46 2010, in response to Re: Catholic School Rejects Child Because Of Lesbian Parents, posted by AlM on Mon Mar 8 14:24:07 2010. Very interesting points....much appreciated |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Mar 8 16:40:48 2010, in response to Re: Catholic School Rejects Child Because Of Lesbian Parents, posted by AlM on Mon Mar 8 14:24:07 2010. Hmm. Most Catholic schools accept the children of non-Catholics and non-Christians. Most will also accept the children of couples who are not married (and therefore committing the same mortal sin as this lesbian couple).There is no large scale Unmarried Parents movement targeting the Church. Consider what they are doing as a "proportional response". |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Mar 8 16:45:11 2010, in response to Re: Catholic School Rejects Child Because Of Lesbian Parents, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Mar 8 16:36:17 2010. LOL |
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Posted by AlM on Mon Mar 8 16:48:37 2010, in response to Re: Catholic School Rejects Child Because Of Lesbian Parents, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Mar 8 16:40:48 2010. There is no large scale Lesbian Parents movement targeting the Church either. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Mar 8 16:51:13 2010, in response to Re: Catholic School Rejects Child Because Of Lesbian Parents, posted by AlM on Mon Mar 8 16:48:37 2010. No. But there is clearly a large scale consortium of left wingers attacking the church from all angles. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Mar 8 16:51:56 2010, in response to Re: Catholic School Rejects Child Because Of Lesbian Parents, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Mar 8 16:51:13 2010. Specifically, the gay right's movement. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Mar 8 16:53:09 2010, in response to Re: Catholic School Rejects Child Because Of Lesbian Parents, posted by AlM on Mon Mar 8 16:48:37 2010. Um, yes there is.
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Mar 8 18:28:36 2010, in response to Re: Catholic School Rejects Child Because Of Lesbian Parents, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Mar 8 16:51:56 2010. Which I don't understand. If they don't agree with the church, and they know the church doesn't condone their activity, why would they want to be a member of it or deal with it? There are plenty of churches that don't have that position. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Mon Mar 8 18:33:27 2010, in response to Catholic School Rejects Child Because Of Lesbian Parents, posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Mar 8 11:20:33 2010. Damn. I guess Dick Cheney's grandkid will not be allowed to attend this school. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Mon Mar 8 18:45:47 2010, in response to Re: Catholic School Rejects Child Because Of Lesbian Parents, posted by AMoreira81 on Mon Mar 8 12:11:14 2010. However, there are no legal grounds to take it out on the child...none whatsoever.This school can admit whoever it wants and exclude whoever it wants. It's a religious institution. They don't have to admit Jews, Protestants, atheists or Muslims. They don't get any public money and they are exercising their First Amendment rights to freely exercise their religion. The whole point of the "free exercise clause" just like the "Establishment clause" is to be free from government interference in the exercise of religious functions and membership. They can exclude someone because they don't like their face and its none of the government's business. If I decide to start a Church of The Beautiful People with adjacent pre-school, I can exclude ugly kids or kids with ugly parents if I wish to. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Mon Mar 8 18:49:08 2010, in response to Re: Catholic School Rejects Child Because Of Lesbian Parents, posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Mar 8 12:42:46 2010. So what if a single mom shows up at the door and wants to enroll her kid....how does know that this person is immoral? is she GAY? is she recently DIVORCED? or Separated? or is she someone who was artificially inseminated at a SPERM and does not know the father of the child seeking enrollment....so....WHO GETS IN AND WHO DOES NOT?The school decides who gets in and who doesn't. Just because they decide to admit the kids of one set of sinners doesn't mean they have to admit the kids of other types of sinners. That's why it's called religion. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Mon Mar 8 18:53:25 2010, in response to Re: Catholic School Rejects Child Because Of Lesbian Parents, posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Mar 8 13:06:05 2010. ?However, the Archdiocese of Denver did issue this statement:"To preserve the mission of our schools, and to respect the faith of wider Catholic community, we expect all families who enroll students to live in accord with Catholic teaching. Parents living in open discord with Catholic teaching in areas of faith and morals unfortunately choose by their actions to disqualify their children from enrollment." Raderstorf said it seems there's a double standard. "I don't think they interview to see what parents are divorced or what parents are using birth control or other things that are against the teaching of the Catholic Church," she said. Churches are free to have double standards if they wish and you are free to not be in that religion. Either way, it's not the Govt's business. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Mar 8 18:57:11 2010, in response to Re: Catholic School Rejects Child Because Of Lesbian Parents, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Mar 8 18:28:36 2010. Some gay rights activists want to destroy institutions which do not accept them. Co-existence is not an option. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Mon Mar 8 19:04:36 2010, in response to Re: Catholic School Rejects Child Because Of Lesbian Parents, posted by AMoreira81 on Mon Mar 8 12:09:24 2010. Are they subject to state testing? If so, that's considered funding.No it's not. I'm sure this pre-school uses USDA and FDA approved foods, CPSC-certified toys, and are subject to Health Dept, building code and safety inspections, etc but that's not the equivalent of government funding. State testing just means that they are not a Sunday school but a real recognized school for the purpose of transfers and accreditation. That's all. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Mar 8 19:19:40 2010, in response to Re: Catholic School Rejects Child Because Of Lesbian Parents, posted by SMAZ on Mon Mar 8 18:33:27 2010. Oh well, did he apply? |
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Posted by SMAZ on Mon Mar 8 19:20:06 2010, in response to Re: Catholic School Rejects Child Because Of Lesbian Parents, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Mar 8 16:21:43 2010. My brother went to Aviation HS, a free public school that's among the best in the nation. It sure beat going to the then-awful LIC HS or the pricy St. John's Prep (then called Mater Christi HS).There are plenty of choices of high quality public schools in NYC. We are very fortunate in that sense. Of course, I don't blame you or your parents to want to go to CTK since it was close to where you lived and you probabaly had friends there. It's all a choice about what works best for a particular person. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Mar 8 19:20:28 2010, in response to Re: Catholic School Rejects Child Because Of Lesbian Parents, posted by SMAZ on Mon Mar 8 18:45:47 2010. Wow, we agree on something! |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Mar 8 19:21:02 2010, in response to Re: Catholic School Rejects Child Because Of Lesbian Parents, posted by SMAZ on Mon Mar 8 18:49:08 2010. Yup, and religion doesn't need to make sense.And it's supposed to be free of government intrusion. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Mon Mar 8 19:36:12 2010, in response to Re: Catholic School Rejects Child Because Of Lesbian Parents, posted by SMAZ on Mon Mar 8 18:45:47 2010. The reason why I disagree with you on this is because the school, based on how the article is written, accepted this pre-schooler for enrollment, but now the school wants to rescind it in an attempt to cover its own mistake. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Mon Mar 8 19:38:14 2010, in response to Re: Catholic School Rejects Child Because Of Lesbian Parents, posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Mar 8 15:06:42 2010. wow...so then you just answered the question of the day....you and your wife were not vetted obviously....Who said they weren't vetted? That school may be fine with a heterosexual couple comprising of a non-Catholic and a divorcee but not with a gay couple. Hypocritical? Perhaps, but that's the Church's business and nobody else's. Gay couples are free to make their case to that school and that school is free to ignore them or accept them. Either way, there is no legal "right" to a private religious education for anybody that doesn't meet the criteria spelled out by that institution no matter how unjust or hypocritical we may find that criteria to be. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Mon Mar 8 19:40:33 2010, in response to Re: Catholic School Rejects Child Because Of Lesbian Parents, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Mar 8 15:45:59 2010. Indeed. There is also the possibilty that one parent may convert and get married in the Church one day. That's not possible with two women. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Mar 8 19:40:54 2010, in response to Re: Catholic School Rejects Child Because Of Lesbian Parents, posted by SMAZ on Mon Mar 8 18:45:47 2010. You got that 100 percent right. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Mon Mar 8 19:43:08 2010, in response to Re: Catholic School Rejects Child Because Of Lesbian Parents, posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Mar 8 14:42:10 2010. Provided that the school has in place a vetting system for heterosexual couple...married or not.The school is not obliged to provide any such vetting process unless they want to. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Mon Mar 8 19:49:17 2010, in response to Re: Catholic School Rejects Child Because Of Lesbian Parents, posted by AMoreira81 on Mon Mar 8 19:36:12 2010. The reason why I disagree with you on this is because the school, based on how the article is written, accepted this pre-schooler for enrollment, but now the school wants to rescind it in an attempt to cover its own mistake.The school is free to change its mind because it's religious. A shitty thing to do perhaps, but wholly within their rights under the "free exercise clause". It's a religious school. If the parents have already paid the full tuition, the school's only legal obligation is to return to them the unused balance. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Mon Mar 8 19:59:36 2010, in response to Re: Catholic School Rejects Child Because Of Lesbian Parents, posted by AMoreira81 on Mon Mar 8 12:11:41 2010. The grounds of discrimination are blind to that argument.There are no grounds for discrimination. It's like SubChat where Larry is the Pope. If Larry wants to ban somebody for saying something anti-train, he is free to do so. The banned person has no grounds to sue him just because Larry hasn't also banned people who say that buses suck. It's up to Larry to decide what is "excommunicable", not US law. It's the same with a religion. The Church has decided that homosexual sex is a graver sin than unmarried heteresexual sex and there are no legal grounds to overrule that. They are under no legal obligation to provide for "equality of sin". |
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Posted by SMAZ on Mon Mar 8 20:17:53 2010, in response to Re: Catholic School Rejects Child Because Of Lesbian Parents, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Mar 8 19:19:40 2010. Probabaly not. I think his family lives in Maryland. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Mon Mar 8 21:55:33 2010, in response to Re: Catholic School Rejects Child Because Of Lesbian Parents, posted by SMAZ on Mon Mar 8 18:49:08 2010. Actually, the issue here is the same couple. The diocese admitted the child, and now is trying to rescind that same admission. |
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Posted by Easy on Mon Mar 8 22:00:02 2010, in response to Re: Catholic School Rejects Child Because Of Lesbian Parents, posted by AMoreira81 on Mon Mar 8 21:55:33 2010. Where did you see that? It sounds to me like the kid was admitted last year and they refused to readmit the kid this year. |
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